OT: Penalties for Cheating?

There is such a rule - the "show cause" penalty.  It's prevented Jim Tressel from being a candidate anywhere.

I would say Tressel got punished for cheating at OSU. Didn't he get some type of ban or restriction as far as coaching in college? I think the biggest problem is that the NFL continues welcoming these coaches and players who violated the rules. It is very contrary to other professions, where if cheating is on your official record coming out of school, it actually impacts your ability to get a job.

If yes, I agree with you. These coaches know exactly what they are doing and know that it is wrong. Once they get a small idea that sanctions may be upcomming, they may start looking to bolt. ( i.e. Pete Carroll) There should without a doubt be a penalty, as none of these coaches should be given a higher profile job, for cheating their way to the top.

The coaches should have to deal with the sanctions or be fired.

The NFL is a multi billion dollar business.  It does not care if you cheated at your last job.  There are lots of things that SHOULD happen in life.  This is one that is never going to happen.

Its too bad that the NCAA and NFL can't work together to try to stop some of this shit. Its getting ridiculous.

I think this post is best answered with some wisdom from my mother who loved to tell me when I was younger that "life isn't fair".

or even (legally) could be any way to stop coaches who broke NCAA rules from getting hired for professional jobs. First of all, an NFL franchise is around to make money; I have no idea why an owner would want to restrict his hiring pool based on rules that have no application in a professional league. Second, by this logic, why should Reggie Bush or Terrelle Pryor be allowed to collect an NFL paycheck? They knowingly broke rules, lied, ect. and nobody seems to have a problem with them running the ball (or warming the bench, in TP2's case) and taking a roster spot from someone who didn't break those rules.

This might not be a great analogy, but what about a prominent lawyer or surgeon who takes a faculty job somewhere and is fired for plagiarizing? Should they be prevented from going back into the profit sector and drawing up merger documents or cutting into someone's knee? Since writing papers won't be a integral part of what their employer is looking for, I'd argue that it doesn't matter what they did while publishing academic papers when looking to hire this hypothetical doctor or lawyer, provided they were still great at practicing law or medicine.

Mel Kiper on Taylor Lewan

Bad call...I don't want to see a kid worth a lot of money right now holding out. Odds are he'll be fine and a likely top-10 pick next season, but he has plenty of value now.

Mel Kiper

been some kind of findings or even specific allegations that Oregon has committed wrongdoing?  I know that Kelly leaving after first declining is unusual but he probably just had cold feet. 

I have a tip to help your reasoning process. Don't say things like "There should be a rule"  and "Do you ever see a rule that will punish the coach and the university?" without considering who would make such rules. I get the idea that you haven't put much thought into that.

Btw, I negged you for your first two sentences. The first is patently ridiculous and the second is the kind of gratuitous whining that always annoys me..

While there is some merit to your assertion (cheating is bad for the game,) there are several observations I would make:

• First, cheating has gone on forever . . . you just weren't as aware of it as you are now. If you think that there wasn't significant cheating involved 20 and 50 and 100 years ago, you're a bit naive.
• Second, the incentive to cheat is huge. With the incentives to cheat, in terms of both financial reward and other, you will not see an end to cheating. You can certainly increase the penalties, but there will still be the motivation for some to cheat. Note also that the penalty isn't exactly for cheating, but for getting CAUGHT cheating.
• Lastly, motivation NOT to cheat can't only be external (i.e., penalties for cheating,) motivation not to cheat is ideally also internal (i.e., you don't cheat regardless of whether or not you get caught.)

In some ways, this goes to the issue of who you are when no one is looking. If coaches and teams are only motivated by the fear of penalty and punishment, the real problem is still there. Ultimately, you want coaches and players who will basically do the right thing no matter whether anyone knows or not.