OT: Paterno statue to stay for now, per ESPN

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OT: Paterno statue to stay for now, per ESPN

Per the below ESPN article the Paterno statue at PSU is going to stay, for now.  Personally, I think that is a huge mistake.  I have a lot of family that are big PSU fans and I understand the love for the guy.  But, I think the Trustees (ironic name in this case) is in for a bit of a shock when they realize that every televised game is going to start with them showing the statue and talking about what Joe did, or did not do.  Essentially, every time your University is put on TV it is going to be shown how they still praise a guy who at the very least enabled a child molester.  Yeah, that is just the way I would want my University represented.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8166643/joe-paterno-statue-remain-penn-state-sources-say

 

 

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July 14th, 2012 at 7:02 PM | This is what should happen to it (Score:5 Normal)
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Drag it through the streets like they did to Saddam.

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July 14th, 2012 at 8:19 PM | This (Score:5 Normal)
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Is exactly the image I have had in my head since discussion about the statue started. 

Saddam was a bad dude that did a lot of deplorabe things to the Iraqi peope, but I bet he wouldn't have let Sandusky get away with it for as long as Joe Paterno did. 

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July 15th, 2012 at 12:03 AM | I say leave it up as a (Score:1 Normal)
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I say leave it up as a reminder of what can happen when power is left unchecked.

July 14th, 2012 at 7:03 PM | For Fuck's Sake (Score:5 Normal)
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Here comes Round 2 for the day.

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July 14th, 2012 at 7:15 PM | More fun to follow.......   (Score:5 Normal)
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More fun to follow.......

 

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July 14th, 2012 at 9:10 PM | Hey, it's not our fault that (Score:5 Normal)
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Hey, it's not our fault that PSU seems to have a never-ending supply of f*cktards who can't do the right thing, ever.

 

 

July 14th, 2012 at 7:10 PM | Wow (Score:1 Normal)
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Shocked that will stay up! This statue should of went down when the freeh report came out. This is a shame and a horrible situation there. Though I don't respect anyone who still sticks up for Joe, he is just as bad as Sandusky

July 15th, 2012 at 6:51 PM | Maybe JoePa is worse (Score:0 Normal)
July 14th, 2012 at 7:21 PM | I agree with Bobby Bowden, (Score:4 Normal)
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I agree with Bobby Bowden, when people see the statue of Joe Paterno it's going to be a discussion point and it's not going to be a good discussion. I personally would want to have it removed, but if they want to think about it, the could get something to surround the statue so people don't see it [and keep it safe from vandalism] , like the wooden panels at the Mall so you can't see in new stores.

It is sad that the trustees don't want to make a "rash decision" like they did in November... Oh when you fired JoePa and the guys who were covering it up... There are some members of the Penn State community who act totally oblivious to what happened... Disgusting

Let the parents and the victims decide what to do with the statue, considering they are going to be getting A LOT of money from the university.

 

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July 14th, 2012 at 7:18 PM | "You can't let people (Score:5 Normal)
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"You can't let people stampede you into making a rash decision," a trustee said.

I found that to be an ironic statement.

"It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach."

July 14th, 2012 at 7:21 PM | How about right next to the (Score:-1 Normal)
July 14th, 2012 at 7:36 PM | I don't think you thought (Score:5 Normal)
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I don't think you thought that post all the way through.  It's not like Sandusky was found guilty of tax fraud.

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July 14th, 2012 at 8:58 PM | Of course that won't happen, (Score:1 Normal)
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Of course that won't happen, nor should it. But my point is that people should never forget what happened there and how Paterno's decisions enabled it.

July 14th, 2012 at 10:41 PM | What would a statue of (Score:5 Normal)
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Tax fraud look like anyway?

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July 14th, 2012 at 11:19 PM | Terrelle Pryor (Score:5 Normal)
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July 14th, 2012 at 7:35 PM | Eh, I think it's pretty (Score:4 Normal)
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Eh, I think it's pretty common for trustees to do that whether they're talking about a Paterno statue or hiring a groundskeeper.  Boards don't like to be seen as speaking with anything but one voice.

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July 14th, 2012 at 7:35 PM | No. Leave that statue up. Let (Score:5 Normal)
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No. Leave that statue up. Let it be a reminder of just what the hell went on there. 

July 14th, 2012 at 7:35 PM | I am more curious to know (Score:2 Insightful)
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I am more curious to know what will happen to the University.  Will they get anywhere near the SMU death penalty?

Have to feel sorry for the PSU fans.  Michigan basketball fans know what it feels like.

July 14th, 2012 at 7:57 PM | The Death Penalty requires a (Score:2 Normal)
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The Death Penalty requires a program to have been on probation if I'm not mistake so no it's off the table.  Only talking head tards like Mark May and Stephen A Smith are bringing it up.

July 14th, 2012 at 8:19 PM | The last two death penalty cases... (Score:5 Normal)
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Morehouse soccer and MacMurray tennis, were not repeat violators. If the infractions are bad enough, they'll bring it on a program with history of violations or without.

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July 14th, 2012 at 8:21 PM | Although you are correct (Score:5 Normal)
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Although you are correct about the Death Penalty, something extreme will have to be done by the NCAA in my opinion. I think if there isnt a punishment that is near death penalty, the NCAA will lose what control they do have.

If Penn State does not get a punishment, I would expect to see violations increase, because honestly if Penn State gets away with this, what stops Program W from playing Players X, Y, and Z with tattoos, golden dablooms, or a Lambo? I think the NCAA will lose a lot of credibility.

If they do hit Penn State with the hammer, I think it will enforce to teams that have violations that break laws (hopefully nothing like this ever again) to put the victims ahead of the football/basketball/baseball/etc program or there will be no more football/basketball/baseball/etc program.

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July 14th, 2012 at 10:02 PM | If they do hit Penn State (Score:3 Underrated)
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If they do hit Penn State with the hammer, I think it will enforce to teams that have violations that break laws (hopefully nothing like this ever again) to put the victims ahead of the football/basketball/baseball/etc program or there will be no more football/basketball/baseball/etc program.

Doesn't the threat of jail time already do this? Once that's on the table, I don't think the threat of NCAA penalties will affect the violators.

July 14th, 2012 at 10:15 PM | I think it really depends on (Score:2 Normal)
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I think it really depends on the program or the person.

I think the punishment of jail would deter a lot of people, but even with that punishment, there are still people willing to do the crime.

I think back on what my high school driver education teacher said, " there are severe punishments for drinking and driving, people still do it. If the punishment were the death penalty, there would be a lot less."

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July 14th, 2012 at 10:19 PM | The other thing is that there (Score:5 Normal)
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The other thing is that there probably were people involved in the coverup who aren't going to get arrested because they happened to cover their steps a little better than the four we know about.  If you punish the program, you get 'em all.

 

July 14th, 2012 at 10:22 PM | This assumes the people in (Score:3 Normal)
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This assumes the people in charge think NCAA penalties to the program are worse than personal jail time. I don't think this is the case for most people.

July 14th, 2012 at 10:36 PM | I think to a lot of people, (Score:3 Normal)
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I think to a lot of people, jail time is more than sufficient penalty. But if you want to make sure that a program would report a major crime if it happened again, you impact a major revenue generating activity.

It will be interesting to see what actually happens. This is honestly the first situation to this magnitude, and it's going to change the landscape no matter what the NCAA decides to do or what not to do.

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July 14th, 2012 at 10:45 PM | Are you honestly trying to (Score:2 Flamebait)
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Are you honestly trying to say other programs might think it's ok to cover up child rape if the NCAA doesn't bring down the hammer?

July 14th, 2012 at 10:59 PM | No not at atll.I am not (Score:2)
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No not at all.

I am not saying that at all. I think the most important thing, besides for these people to get the punishment that they deserve, legally of course, is the importance of reporting any crime, especually crimes that involves children and their safety. If I gave off a different message, I apologize, because I was not going for that message at all.

 

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July 15th, 2012 at 1:32 PM | Clery Act (Score:0 Overrated)
July 14th, 2012 at 9:17 PM | Can you imagine PSU playing a (Score:2 Overrated)
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Can you imagine PSU playing a game in about 6 weeks? I just can't see it happening. No way they play this year.

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July 15th, 2012 at 9:35 AM | Um.. (Score:3 Normal)
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They are going to play...

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July 15th, 2012 at 9:14 PM | Agreed.  But it will be a (Score:1)
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Agreed.  But it will be a Goddamn circus.  

They don't have enough roads into State College to accomodate the media horde that will show up, three quarters of which will have nothing to do with college football.

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July 14th, 2012 at 7:42 PM | Oh, How Thoughtful...Not (Score:5 Normal)
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"The trustees' reluctance to remove the statue is motivated, in part, by a desire not to offend alumni and students who adore the late coach despite the damning findings of his role in the Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse cover-up detailed in the Freeh report, the sources said."

How very thoughtful of them.

They are going through straight denial, minimization and projection all at once in  State College. The basic message that the Board Of Trustees is sending is that Joe Paterno lives even though he lives no longer and that his program still means more than those whose abuse he helped enable. It will be a long time before they even get to "anger" in DABDA.

Again, it provides some evidence that few people if anyone in power at PSU is going to be able to make an objective decision about this issue right now, just when they desperately need someone to be doing this this very thing. 

I am sure that they are aware of how much his presence meant financially and emotionally to this school and it seems that, solely because of some misguided sentiment, they decided that the legacy of Joe Paterno warrants a sort of commemoration. The sentiment seems to carry more weight than the reality of what happened. 

They don't want to offend alumni and students who are also going through similar denial, but really, the  only way they are going to heal (if they want to heal) as a school and program is to do these little things which begin to dissociate themselves from Paterno - it will still take years. The new culture begins without the image of a bespectacled man guiding a team onto the field - it will be a while, I imagine, before they can omit a certain man from this image. 

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July 14th, 2012 at 7:52 PM | I'm so tired of this story. (Score:5 Insightful)
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I'm so tired of this story.  I find myself agreeing with the harshest penalties.  Fines, prison, death penalty, removal from the B1G.  I understand this an emotional reaction to the situation - abhorrence.  I don't  buy the "don't punish the players" mantra, because as some have said on this board, that's like not imprisoning a murderer because its going to adversely affect his children.    Unfortunately, its STILL all about the money.  PSU athletic department donations were the second highest ever this year.   

 


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July 14th, 2012 at 8:00 PM | Huh? Punishing the players (Score:2 Flamebait)
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Huh? Punishing the players would be like putting the murderer's kids in jail with him. They are not the perpetrators.

July 14th, 2012 at 8:37 PM | Somehow I don't remember this (Score:5 Normal)
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Somehow I don't remember this sentiment being very popular when the NCAA was contemplating penalties for Ohio. Every punishment they have is designed to punish the program, and usually affects people who had nothing to do with the violations.

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July 14th, 2012 at 10:11 PM | To clarify, by "punish the (Score:2)
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To clarify, by "punish the players" I mean the collateral damage that would be incidental with dismantling the football team, not charging the players themselves.

 


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July 14th, 2012 at 11:12 PM | Re: The Players (Score:4 Normal)
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All the players should be allowed to leave the school and enroll elsewhere without sitting out a year. Unfortunately, most schools' rosters/scholarships are full at this point (I'm guessing). So this policy should remain in place after the 2012 season, as well, to give players time to reach such an important decision.

They don't realize that there's this, like, lattice of coincidence that lays on top of everything.
July 14th, 2012 at 11:53 PM | Focus Not Where It Should Be (Score:5 Normal)
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Agree.

Amazingly, it still seems like this institution still cannot bring itself to consider the victims first in all of this.  They are worried about offending everybody now, except the victims.

I want to show some mercy to JoePa, but the victims should become the primary concern, and never allowing this to happen again a very close second.

 

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July 14th, 2012 at 7:43 PM | Pathetic. (Score:5 Normal)
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Pathetic.

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July 14th, 2012 at 7:44 PM | The statue will go. (Score:2 Normal)
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It'll be torn down in a couple weeks, over the course of one night, after the furor subsides.

Quietly, so no one can protest or make a scene at the demolition.

July 14th, 2012 at 7:57 PM | Truly torn (Score:0 Flamebait)
July 14th, 2012 at 7:57 PM | I understand that it must be (Score:4 Normal)
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I understand that it must be difficult to let go of an icon like Paterno. Regardless of the Sandusky situation, he did a lot for PSU, for football and the school itself. Its hard to overlook and simply forget about his service to the school. I get that. We can't lie to ourselves and say some of us wouldn't feel the same way if this kind of scandal occured under Schembechler. If you say something like "we're Michigan, that would never happen here," you are flat out naive, and just as much in denial as the PSU fans still in support of Paterno.

But the school needs a fresh start. Paterno needs to be purged from the school. I'm not a fan of the death penalty, but maybe it needs to happen. I'm no authority on that, but it would not be unreasonable to push this on PSU. I think SMU was nothing compared to this scandal.

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July 14th, 2012 at 8:34 PM | If I found out that Hoke, (Score:5 Normal)
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If I found out that Hoke, Carr, or Bo were enabling a child rapist to continue his craft unimpeded, I would hope they get the most severe punishment possible.  I would never, ever try to rationalize this.  I'd never lose my support for the football program at Michigan, but would completely disavow any positive feelings I had for anyone on staff that did something like this.

I wish Paterno were alive to see his fanbase erode.  Cancer was too nice a fate.  He did not make a mistake.  He made a continual decision to put his own reputation and that of his program over the safety of innocent children.

There is no discussion.  No back and forth.  That is it.  It is the end of the conversation.  I wish the worst fate to all those who knew but did nothing.  In a way, that is as pure evil as an obviously sick and twisted person carrying out something they cannot control.  Sandusky deserves to burn for all of this, but what normal person goes around raping children? He's chemically imbalanced and off his rocker.  What really turns the knife is that you had a group of 'normal' people decide that their little piece of the pie was worth more than the safety of kids.  That's as evil as it gets. 

You can hate on this post if you want, but you will never convince me otherwise. 

"Let's leave a statue of up that reminds everyone about how dozens of kids were raped, all while our highest ranking athletic officials were complacent." 

This makes Brandon look like a fuckin' genious for wanting a mascot...

Hail.

July 14th, 2012 at 8:43 PM | "If I found out that Hoke, (Score:5 Normal)
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"If I found out that Hoke, Carr, or Bo were enabling a child rapist to continue his craft unimpeded, I would hope they get the most severe punishment possible. I would never, ever try to rationalize this."

How do you know, though? I mean really, definitively know? That’s the truly scary part about this, because it deals so much with human nature and our ability to perpetrate or condone evil acts in deference to authority. Look up the Milgram obedience experiment if you don’t already know what that is. I don’t say any of this to rationalize the behavior of anyone involved or to somehow pretend like what happened wasn’t truly awful. It’s just that in our culture, there is an unhealthy level of adoration given to these people. People structure their entire lives around sports figures. That’s very dangerous, and not something we should so casually deny. (I’m sure you’re a good person, and I don’t mean to target you personally).

July 14th, 2012 at 9:05 PM | That's exactly why I want PSU (Score:5 Normal)
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That's exactly why I want PSU to get slammed to pieces by the NCAA, sued for every penny, etc.  If human nature does not guarantee that we will instinctually do the right thing, then we need to make one hell of an example of this so anyone who even considers covering up will think, "We don't want to be another PSU."

July 14th, 2012 at 9:07 PM | I think the segment of the (Score:4 Normal)
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I think the segment of the population that is still defending Paterno is the same segment of the population that says tO$U, Spartina, or Meatchicken.  I think most of us on this board have a good perspective on things.  If PSU had an equivalent of MGoBlog, they would be in deep shame about the statue staying up...

I will never defend someone in this situation, regardless of prior allegiance.  I am confident of that.

 

Hail.

July 14th, 2012 at 9:17 PM | Have you read Black Shoe (Score:3 Normal)
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Have you read Black Shoe Diaries?

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July 14th, 2012 at 9:24 PM | The Cinemax show starring (Score:5 Normal)
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The Cinemax show starring David Duchovny?

Hail.

July 14th, 2012 at 9:55 PM | Well now, sure there was that (Score:3 Normal)
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Well now, sure there was that whole thing with the massive war and holocaust, but we need to keep in mind that Hitler did a lot to inspire the people of Germany. (no, I am not making that comparison, just illustrating obsurdity by being obsurd.)

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