Unfortunate to see Ohno end his individual career with a DQ. Canada looks to be setting up a rematch with the US for the gold medal game on Sunday
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My bad, apologies for the lapse in judgement.
It will be interesting to see what Canada does facing the only team who has beaten them...I'm calling a eleventybillion to 1 game, USA wins of course.
Should be a good game and I am glad Miller has been playing lights out. Loungo has been playing well though and will almost defintely be a tougher obstacle than Brodeur was last game. Hoping US pulls it out.
Ohno is one of the unluckiest in speed skating, yet he still wins medals. A couple days ago he could have won gold if that one guy had not have knocked him off his path,yet the guy did not get a DQ.
Glad to see the US grab the bronze after Ohno's late push. The nature of the sport seems to leave the door open for controversial calls.
He also was in 4th until 2 Koreans took themselves out (well, 1 Korean took himself out and the other along with him). The DQ is really unfortunate but short track is inherently a game of luck; Ohno's been on the winning side of it a fair amount too.
Yeah, there's a lot of luck in the races, but I don't think referee decisions can be included in luck. I'm fine with DQs when it's indisputable that the contact took down the skater, but I think that's disputable in Ohno's last race -- it seems pretty clear Ohno didn't push the Canadian skater at all. But the ref reigns supreme, and that's really the one thing I dislike about short track speed skating.
I also think it's odd that an event final featuring two Canadian skaters in a Canadian venue would also feature a Canadian ref. That pushes the bounds of credibility.
He pretty much said so during post-race comments when asked about the Canadian ref.
Apollo seems to take it all in stride, though. He chalks it all up to just being part of the sport and moves on. Love watching the guy compete.
I have to agree. That was a bad call by the ref. The skaters are allowed to put a hand (or both depending on position) on another skater to let their presence be known and to try and avoid a spill. It was clear that he was doing this since he was taking the inside lane and had position. He was trying to let the other skater know his presence so he would not get run out of bounds. I have watched a few other races in these Olympics and have seen far more contact go unpunished.
Granted I know most of us are bias to the USA, but being that the rules seem so speculative it's worth pointing out the Canadian who took gold had his hand on the Korean who was in 1st at that time and then took a spill, but that never seemed to be looked @ or discussed? Granted he didn't maintain contact with the Korean as much as Ohno did with the 2nd Canadian, but with only (4) skaters in the final and with the 2nd Canadian being in 3rd rounding the last corner, why not take a fall to ensure yourself the bronze with the ref being for the home team, it's a can't lose situation.
That's all you ask from refs at any level. This wasn't it. Ohno puts a hand on a Canadian, the Canadian takes a dive, DQ. The Canadian puts a hand on the Korean, the Korean takes a dive, Gold Medal. With a Canadian judge.
I had a bigger problem with the other race, vs. the 2 Canadians and 2 Koreas, where Ohno had moved to second, he got shoved (worse than the shove Ohno put on the Canadian last night) by a Canadian...which killed his momentum and moved him back to 5, and he had to skate like wild to pass the 2 Canadians again to get bronze, rather than a better medal. And because he didn't flop on his ass and make a scene, they didn't DQ anyone.
Some of this Canadian nonsense is continuing to mar the games, which have been pretty much a mess.
Yes, you are biased. The Canadian who won didn't touch the Korean and anyone with a dvr and the ability to watch replay can see this clearly. Three judges (not just some random Canadian) confirmed what was clear...Ohno, trailing badly and clearly outclassed pushed because he couldn't do anything else.
Hometown ref, my ass.
12 Gold Medals.
The Olympic committee yanked it, because they're too big of pussies to show yet another way Canada has screwed up these Olympics, from dangerous tracks to horrible surfaces...heck, couldn't even "get it up" for the torch, but the video was up:
YouTube - Canadian skater cheats pushes Korean skater.mov
Feb 27, 2010 ... Apolo Ohno got disqualified in the Finals for the short track 500 meter finals but this video shows that the Canadian Medalist pushed the ...
You can talk about what everyone but Canadians saw last night..(and in the other race), or you can come to realize who's really bias.
It's funny hearing bias from someone calling themselves "from Canada", and spending all his time talking smack about his hockey team...when his country is getting it's ass kicked in the medal count on home soil.
1. United States 9 14 13 36
2. Germany 10 12 7 29
3. Canada 13 7 5 25
Try and get within single digits of us before you talk any smack. And regardless of the hockey game outcome, we'll be adding a medal there too, and hopefully one more in bobsled tonight. Setting the Olympic medal record on Canadian soil. We've owned Canada.
"when his country is getting it's ass kicked in the medal count on home soil"
All we do is win gold medals. You guys are great at finishing second.
That's ALL you do. Because anyone who's not front running folds like a house of cards in a hurricane. ("Own the Podium" - you do know there's more than one spot on it, don't you?) Feel better about your country now that speed skating has ended your national embarassment and you have something other than hockey to talk trash about? Of course, it should be at least one less medal after last night...either the gold or the bronze had to go, you can't justify both.
But since you're all worked up at taking cheap shots, try not and kill anymore athletes before the Olympics end tomorrow, ok?
Gold today in curling, snowboarding, speedskating...they like to spread them around a bit. My little nation of 33 million with 13 gold now; compared to Salt Lake City (US 10 gold) and a slightly greater population (about 9x) you'd think you could find some winter athletes. Of course, per capita Norway kills us (and you guys) for medals, but that's another topic.
Your delusions about the Ohno decision remain pretty funny. Well, good luck in the gold medal game for hockey.
You're absolutely right, I think the ref's call was bad and that's not luck; I mainly just strongly disagreed with the statement "Ohno is one of the unluckiest in speed skating."
Those guys have to make high stakes rulings on borderline situations. I can't believe the federation allows refs to rule on situations involving fellow countrymen. Making that simple change would at least remove the appearance of a conflict of interest.
They could also use a panel of three refs. Two of them would have to agree to DQ a racer.
Did you not see the race where the Korean teammates took each other out allowing Ohno to move from 4th to 2nd? Seems more lucky to me. You can tell by his reaction that he knew the DQ was coming. It was obvious he gave the Canadian a little push on the hip.
edit: didn't read the rest of the thread before the response
Also, it seemed Ohno's push was way more prominent than the other Canadian in first. I know there have been studies done about bias while viewing sports, but do the people upset about the DQ really not understand that he pushed him out of the way?! Seemed obvious to me that the DQ was coming. Full disclosure: I'm Canadian
Should he have been DQ'd too, by your understanding? How about the race where the Canadian pushed Ohno harder, and he dropped from 2nd to 5th, but skated back to 4th? Should he have been DQ'd too? Because if falling is the reason for DQing, A. it should be consistent and B. we're going to get a LOT of flopping.
I watched it, multiple times. I was calling on the second push before the tv guys were, when they were saying "the Korean just fell". Then they came back later and showed it again, freeze frame, and CIRCLED the push. It's plain on the video. Not sure how you could miss it. (We are talking about the Gold Medal Canadian pushing the Korean, and not the Canadian pushing Ohno? Because the latter did not happen).
And what about the other race, that you ignored?
But really guys, I obviously think Wolverine318 is wrong...but who negs a guy with -97911 for THIS opinion? He's got to fly off the handle a lot more for that...you're defeating the cause...
Oh, I like your gumption, and support the cause. What fun is it to get boosted? We'll get you there. But someone begging you doesn't help the cause. I mean, If you start posting links of you clubbing baby seals (the real thing, not the football-like substance variety), then yeah sure. But not for a post where "I" was arguing with you and I didn't even think you deserved it for that.
Re-watch the race, and judge for yourself. To me it looks like Ohno puts his hand up, but it blocks, not pushes. You can see when the Canadian's body flops away, the hands isn't extending in a push. Then watch the gold medal winner do a swim move with his arm to get in front of the Korean, and it DOES continuing following through after the Korean falls.
Neither was much contact, and I don't really have a problem with the Canadian winning. I have a problem with consistency. If what Ohno did was a DQ, then what the winner did was a DQ; or neither was a DQ. All very selective.
And if you watch here:
You can see the Canadian push Ohno at LEAST as much as Ohno pushed anyone, knocking Ohno out if second, to 5th, and making him rally to get the bronze. Let there weren't even any symbolic DQ's.
It's no different than football, basketball, or anything else. You can call it tight, you can call it loose...just do it the same both ways.
That's well said.
"it seemed Ohno's push was way more prominent than the other Canadian in first." Can't really claim bias by saying others are more bias than you are.
Right now, Slovakia is trying to make a game of it--they've scored twice to cut it down to 3-2. 3 minutes left.
What a finish, it looks like Slovakia missed a wide open shot with about 10 seconds left.
Wow, that was a great 3rd period. Slovakia just missed on a chance with 10 seconds left to tie the game.
It sets up the ideal final, though: US vs Canada.
Hats off to the Slovaks. Definitely made it respectable to finish off. I'm really pulling for them to get the Bronze, gotta make the Slavic nations proud!
And after that, USA ALL THE WAY!!!
Great finish. I don't understand why it took 50 min for the slovaks to stop being pussies. They got a strong cycle going once they figured out they could win along the boards. I bet those bennigan's up in canada are going to be swamped next week.
It's tough to watch a team Play-Not-To-Lose, but it almost worked out for 'em. Can't argue with it much ... game could have gone much worse for Slovakia.
Yeah, I actually thought they had a good game plan until they proved they could hang.
I feel bad for the Swiss Hockey team. If they'd managed to score a slightly better seed, they might be playing for a bronze right now. Ah well, win or go home. Still would have been nice to see them get a medal, they played some great games.
I wonder which Canada we'll get. The one that just plain destroyed Russia or the one that fell asleep and the Slovaks climb back in...
Fell asleep after being up 3-0. As a Canadian I can tell you I was never worried, and the Canada you'll get is the one that will embarrass you.
You're the definition of a troll. Your supreme confidence is unequivocally unfounded given the fact that the US team beat your Canadians no less than 7 days ago. Your arrogance reminds me of a Buckeye fan.
Will Canada win on Sunday? Maybe. they definitely have the talent. But will Canada embarrass the US? uh unlikely given miller time in net. But keep dreaming.
I know what you mean. Canada embarrasses us all the time...
We ought to get a free cup of soup with a hat like that!
I think the Canadian guy was having some fun. Man, Michigan Fan sensitivities are now filtering into hockey, short track speed skating (whatever that is). Pretty soon you guys will be slicing each other to shreds over rhythmic gymnastics.
Holy hell--the mayhem that is going to ensue when they bring out the sticks with toilet paper attached to the end of them. Outright carnage.
He was delirious from looking at all those gold medals.
As a long-time troll myself (recently banned from UMHoops for piling on Beilein after one of our illustrious 40-point nights and some impeccable brick-shooting from Mr. Douglass), I must say that the Canadian guy is no more trollish in saying that Canada will demolish the USA at our sport than the US Americans were in saying that the Canadian refs cheated Ohno. What, is a troll someone who simply challenges the dominant groupthink? Seriously, you're starting to sound like that Russian guy writing nonsensically in Pravda about how "Canada is weak, servile puppet state who commit war crimes against glorious Russian heroes." So the USA doesn't win every time... is that so unfair? Everybody loves their own country. we get it. Just because Michigan would pound McGill or Windsor at football doesn't change the fact that we own hockey.
I'd think that a country that "owns" hockey would have won more than one gold medal in the last 50 years.
Of course, the world's best hockey players couldn't participate in the olympics until 1998, but yeah, good point.
Still only one gold medal since then. Heck, even the NHL is less than 50% Canadian now. Canada is a hockey power, but not the only one.
but you're wrong it WAS 1998... 94 is when canada lost in the GOLD medal game to sweden in a shoot out... 1998 is when marc crawford decided to leave gretzky on the bench for the shoot out because he felt ray bourque was the better option...
edit: you changed your post before i finished mine...
You can offer all the various rationalizations you want, but regardless, one gold medal over that time hardly constitutes "ownership" of the sport.
Maybe Miller saves you again tomorrow, but I doubt it. We'll see. Anyway, ownership is when you could send your B team and still be favored in the Olympics. That would be Canada.
Weren't you the same guys who were lecturing me on how great "Mr. Minus 2" Alex Ovechkin was and how he and his team of all stars were going to destroy the greatest hockey nation on earth? The Canadians had their motivations for that game and I am sure they will be equally motivated for tomorrow. The physical forecheck evident against Germany, Russia and Slovakia was not evident in any of the prelims; that should prove the difference against the small but fast American team. Maybe the goalie can save them again.
I have every reason to be confident.
You invoked the hosers...nice.
Take off, eh. I'm going to drink some maple syrup.
one thing. Arrogant and pompous is another. You constantly throw little barbs into your posts that are completely unnecessary. For instance, in one of your above posts about the Ohno DQ, you make that statement that he was trailing and "outclassed." Now, if you want to argue that he pushed the Canadian skater, fine. I'll respectfully disagree. However, to say that the holder of 8 olympic medals is "outclassed" by anyone is a joke.
Ohno is the 9th ranked in the world at that distance and the guy he pushed was number 2. The Korean number 3 and the Canadian winner number 1...he was not the class of that field. Not even close.
He would have been the class of that field in Torino; don't let revisionism dictate his abilities today which, in comparison to the guys he was following, place him 9th in the world.
Ignore what NBC says. The English name of the city that hosted the last Winter Olympics is Turin. I don't understand why they have adopted the foreign spelling/pronunciation for that city. They didn't speak of the "Athina Games" in '04.
actually, 2 golds (one tomorrow).
They were all on the Russian team. Because the Rusdian team was kicking the NHL stars asses in match ups.
But the American collegians still beat 'em - twice.
British Columbia is certainly a beautiful place, but I have to chuckle a little at the promo ad when Sarah McLaughlin says "It doesn't get any more West Coast than this" - while wearing a sweater at the beach.
Wow, real dick move, somebody blew a horn right as the Norwegian was throwing his rock.
It hasn't been all week.
What do you think the medalists do with that little flower bouquet they get during the ceremony? I'm sure they're some kind of expensive plants, but they look like dandelions.