has kinda failed to capitalize on its moment in that state, and U Miss and Oxford really have most of the long-term advantages. . . I'll bet that town would embrace him.
OT: Ole Miss to Fire Houston Nutt... Hire RR?
I agree. Rich would be a tremendous coach, especially with all of the local talent he could pick up.
As long as RR stays out of the B1G I will support him.
Why is it any time a coach is fired everyone questoins if RR is their next head coach??
Because he is a great coach who happens to be looking for work.
Not trying to cause conflict, however, when I hear RR is a "Great Coach," it makes me nauseated. Maybe it is my perception, but to make one great they have to be a winner whenever and where ever they are. RR was not a winner where ever he has coached. Yes RR will be very successful in the future, but his failures on his last stop limit the great status for me. I wish RR the best of luck where ever he goes.
RR will not be succesful at Ole Miss.
That job is a trap. Fans with unreasonably high expectations + annual games against Alabama, LSU, Auburn and Arkansas.
Exactly. I'm not sure what fans expected of Houston Nutt. He led to them to a top 5 ranking in a divison where 3 of the past 4 national champions (likely 4 out of 5) reside.
...but if they expected to at least be competitive with Kentucky and Vanderbilt, that seems reasonable. Getting whooped by Alabama and Auburn and LSU is understandable. 1-13 in conference over two seasons with those two schools on your schedule both years is, how shall we say it, probably unacceptable.
Ole Miss may have the most delusional fanbase in the country. They ran David Cutcliffe out of town when he had done as well as could have been expected. I think Arizona would be a better fit for RR. The fans there were patient with Mike Stoops at first, so the new coach will probably get at least 4 years. RR isn't from Arizona, which doesn't matter because only a small fraction of the people there are natives.
RichRod didn't get to see his first true recruiting class become juniors, so there's that. Would it make you feel better if he was a good coach instead of great?
and rich rod is a great coach.
.... Brady Hoke will never, ever be a great coach. His W/L record was positively mediocre prior to coming here. 5 losing seasons out of 8 and a sub-.500 record.
I disagree. I think Hoke has the potential to be thought of as a great coach by the time his career is done. A great tactician or innovator, probably not. But Bo was never either of those things.
So Bill Belichik, not a great coach then?
Coach Rodriguez inherited a smoking crater of a program and turned it around despite the backstabbing from the administration and alumni. He increased his wins every year and left with a winning record in his final season. He left behind a solid but young team and had an excellent recruiting class, even though Dave Brandon's actions caused RR to miss out on players such as Anthony Zettel.
RR is a great coach and I expect him to be successful at his next stop.
you have internalized the theme of Three and Out,
you think just like John Bacon.
except for the part about the administration screwing him. I didn't know about the press release outrages before I read the book.
Because he's a really good coach and will likely come up in the discussion at some point.
Because a lot of people on here are fans of Rich Rod and are very interested to see where he ends up. I for one can't wait until he starts coaching again and will cheer for him pretty much wherever he goes.
I have nothing but the utmost respect for RR. Class act.
Agreed and I hope he gets an elite job somewhere. I just find it odd that every job that opens up we have opinion if he's going to be they next hc. I could never see him in the sec. I would prefer him in the acc like a north Carolina or something like that.
I think it's natural. The last coach we fired and actually wanted another job in college ball was...George Little? It's weird seeing a former Michigan coach poised to take the reigns somewhere else.
Because when we hired him he was widely considered to be the best, brightest, most innovative upcoming coach in the country. He had turned down Alabama the previous year.
And then he lost to Toledo. If I was Ole Miss, I would go for Dungy.
Agreed. Also, after Lloyd lost to Appy State and Oregon told the press the team gave up against them the next game, we should have cut ties. We shouldn't have even let him finish. I mean, if losing to Toledo with a 3-9 team is a reason for RR not to get hired, what does losing to an FCS team with 5 NFL players on the offensive side of the ball alone while being ranked in the top 5 mean?
Like others have said he's a good coach and he's available. Not only that, there is a dearth of big name coaches who are free agents right now. Urban Meyer, Rich Rodriguez and who else?? After reading Three and Out, I have a lot of respect for Rodriguez. He was not the right coach for Michigan for various reasons--some his doing and some not his doing--but he has won everywhere else he's been.
For the last six or seven years, the spread offense has won every National Championship not won by teams that sign 125 or more players for 85 spots. Since RR created the offense that most of these coaches used or modified to win National Championships, it is natural that his name would be mentioned for any open position.
RR is the second-best coach available right now. The conseneus best, Urban Meyer, uses RR's offense. Why would his name not be mentioned whenever a job opens up? I hope he gets a better job than Ole Miss. It is an extremely tough place to get enough players to win in the SEC.
I think RR could find a coaching job where he has a serious chance of winning if he holds out for one. I still think UGA or Clemson would be the best bets for him, but Mark Richt has temporarily extracted himself from the hot seat, and Clemson is one of the bigger positive surprises of the year.
After RR's experience in Ann Arbor, I would imagine that he is going be very careful about the next job he takes. I am guessing he will have a list of things he needs and one of things he doesn't need. The Ole Miss fanbase turns on coaches too quickly, even considering that they have never won a true National Chamionship and that they haven't won the SEC since 1963. I can't see him taking this job.
Then again, nothing really surprises me anymore after a year like this one.
Eh, for a guy who seems so anti-SEC ethics, it's hard to picture him going to the most SECish team. I don't picture RR signing 50 member classes and cutting kids before they get onto campus, which is exactly what's going to be expected of the next Ole Miss coach.
I don't know if it is expected, or if it is accepted. It seems like the fans and administration turn a blind on to the obvious oversigning by Houston Nutt.
There are schools like Florida and Georgia that don't oversign. Maybe the next coach (maybe RR) will follow in that formula.
I was actually thinking he'd take the UCLA job, but then Rick Neuheisel forgot he's Rick Neuheisel and started winning a couple games. There's still a chance, I suppose.
At any rate, I'd love to see RR get a gig next year. I've still got 100 pages left of the book, but I've become a bigger fan of his. Good luck to him.
They like to hire people with heavy Pac-10(12) experience.
As a Public School, they are part of the state and therefore can't drop big coin on a coach. That's why U$C can hire a big name underachieving crybaby.
UCLA can afford to pay a big name coach, the problem is they choose not to put booster money towards coaches salary. They actually divide the money up for all sports programs instead of giving greater chunks to football and basketball. I think that's Guerrero's decision. He's the one that really need to be canned. On the Rich Rod topic, I wouldn't mind seeing him go to Arizona.
I'd love to see Rich Rodriguez at UCLA. Just hope he can get his defense straightened out (read: keep his damn hands off it).
I was kind of hoping for this too. Although, I wonder if UCLA can pay him enough to get his interest. Neuheisel is making half of what RR made at Michigan.
It still might happen. UCLA has proven it is nothing if not inconsistent and the win over ASU was all luck. Losses to Colorado and Utah are not inconceivable and a loss to USC is a foregone conclusion. If that happens even UCLA's AD might not be able to tune out the mobs of Pasadena torch and pitchfork(although he's pretty good at it). As good as I thionk RR would be at UCLA, I doubt he takes it, there's a lot about UCLA that mirrors Michigan and I doubt RR puts himself in a similar situation.
RR was fired.
No school is dying to pick up a recently fired coach.
Um, GERG, Michigan, 2009.
I understand people root for the guy, as do I. But is it really necessary to add the "RR speculation" to every single coaching position that opens up? We should just make an abbreviation, RRCBACFTP - Rich Rodriguez could be a candidate for this position.
I don't know... Maybe RR is a little gunshy of the ol' block M?
He wants to dig at Nutt. I'm not sure that RR is the first person to go to Ole Miss. Malzhan, Kirby Smart, Larry Fedora at Southern Miss, John Chavis?, Anyone with current SEC ties.
Fedora would make sense about ten thousand times. That might be their ideal hire.
down south drying up the pipelines from Pahokee.
Lesseee, did I get that right?? I too am really interested in seeing where Coach Rod ends up.
to be a winner in the SEC you need to play defense. Rich does not come to mind when one thinks defense. WIll be interesting to see what happens here. I hope Rich gets a job and a chance to redeem himself.
Ole Miss biggest rival just whooped the tar out of a RR team in the bowl game.
Yet you don't recall the strong defenses he fielded while at West Virginia? Check out the rankings assembled here. (Sorry: Bleacher Report. I know, I know, but they had the goods.)
Besides, offensive-minded coaches have been successful in the SEC. One need look no further than the other coach that is brought up on this board as a candidate for every prominent HC opening: Urban Meyer. Then, of course, there are Steve Spurrier, Gene Chizik, and Bobby Petrino.
This might be off-topic, but why did Rich Rod struggle defensively in 2008? He probably had more talent on that roster than he was used to having at West Virginia, Rich Rod's 2008 defense, which had 8 returning starters, including future NFL guys Brandon Graham and Jonas Mouton, gave up 347 points during the 2008 season, whereas in 2007, the defense gave up 243 points. Was it all just because Shawn Crable, Chris Graham, and Jamar Adams graduated? I don't think the defensive breakdown in 2008 can be attributed to a lack of talent on the field.
I think Rich Rod's ability on defense is majorly in question after his record at Michigan. Right after he got to Michigan, the defense got way worse; right after he left, it's gotten way better. I see comments like "Rich Rod is the best coach out there with the exception of Urban Meyer" and I just don't really see it. Maybe he's one of the best offensive minds out there, but the record of his defenses at Michigan is terrible and cannot simply be explained by lack of talent on the field.
Could be because all of that returning talent didn't give a shit and actively worked against RR. I am not saying that RR was a good defensive coach, but when your senior leadership is called out by current players after they graduated for giving up and not really caring, that doesn't sound like a good situation to walk into. Players buying into what the new coach is teaching plays a big role in the makeup of your defense.
Also, the depth sucked ass.
RR would be a good fit at Ole Miss. Mississippi isn't going to win SEC games by out-talenting their opponents, but an RR offense might get it done. He likes recruiting in the south, and a lot of kids from AL, MS, FL, etc who go snubbed by the big boys would love to go play for RR.
My college football knowledge does not extend earlier than 2005; what succesful CFB head coaches have ever used Ole Miss as an effective springboard? I suspect 0 in recent history, so perhaps RR would be better off at a school in an easier conference. UCLA or Arizona really seem like an amazing fit. RR with a Cali recruiting backyard plus his connections in the Southeast would be a bonanza for talent.
BREAKING NEWS: RICH RODRIGUEZ TO COACH EVERY DIVISION I FOOTBALL TEAM WITH A JOB OPENING IN 2012
THIS COULD CAUSE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WHEN UCLA PLAYS ARIZONA IN PAC-12 GAMES. RICH RODRIGUEZ HAS SAID, HOWEVER, "MY STAFF AND I WILL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OBJECTIVITY AND COACH A FAIR GAME FROM BOTH SIDELINES."
Rodriguez Violates NCAA Rules, Accepts Multiple Coaching Offers
NCAA To Rosenberg: Get A Life
Disclaimer--I haven't read the book yet! Only the excerpts published here. There's just not enough time for pleasure reading before xmas break. I do feel, though, that I have an adequate understanding of how the relevant actors (RR included) are portrayed.
Does anyone else think 3 and Out might hurt RR's chances at a big-time gig? It doesn't seem like Bacon paints RR as a bad guy or even necessarily a bad football coach. It does seem, however, that he shows RR as unready for a high pressure/high exposure position. I would think that's why RR was so pissed about the final product.
It's unclear as to whether AD's across the country would pay attention to a book like this, but you never know. Ole Miss is a definite pressure-cooker environment. Does anyone think the publication of this idea that RR wasn't cut out for the pressure and hostility of a program of this caliber might hurt him?
I certainly hope not.
I think any AD would recognize the growth RR displayed over a three year period at UM, and would think that with proper support RR could be successful at
I really feel like everyone (Brian included) is blowing the "RR reacts badly under presssure" meme out of proportion. Yes, he swears when he loses. Sometimes he throws chairs after a field goal kicker misses and we lose to Toledo. Is that really outside the norm? Perhaps the Groban incident was the only thing that was actually damaging, but nothing else in 3 And Out even made me raise an eyebrow. Though unless I read incorrectly, it was weird that he was screaming "FUCK" in the shower after a game while Dave Brandon was waiting in the locker room for him to get out and discuss his job security.
All 3 and Out tells an AD thinking about RR is that he needs some Belichick PR training: The answer to every question is either "I don't worry about ___, just the games," or "Credit to the ____, they do a great job," or "We're just focused on ___, all that other stuff is just noise," etc. etc.
No humor, no banter, no getting things off your chest in front of the national media. Just bone-dry answers. Let your win record do the talking-- it will in the end anyways.
If I were an AD I'd do my due diligence and review the book. Only 100 PGs in, but he's coming off as a competent, good guy in a really bad situation.
This way Rich can get embarrassed by Mississippi State every year
This way Rich can get embarrassed by Mississippi State every year
It was very thoughtful of you to give people two opportunities to downvote your comment.
Good thing I care so deeply about points. You know what, I agree with you now. Rich Rodriguez should be the top candidate for every D1 job opening.
Why would he want to go play Alabama and LSU every year in the SEC West? I know every program has their up's & down's, but it seems real likely that those 2 teams will be elite for at least the next five years, barring a Tressel-like scandal. Those would v likely be two automatic losses every year.
Beyond them, Arkansas (a team that does well in the SEC sans-defense) is probably the third best team in the whole conference. Oh, and the defending National champion, Auburn, also is in that division.
I think RR would be better for Arizona (out of the likely BCS jobs opening up if he HAD to take a job and he was offered all of them, hypothetically). He got Lewan and Roh from there, and the competition, while tough, wouldn't be literally the toughest in college football.
the irony might just kill me.
I can see RR having success at his next stop at any school if three things happens.
1. Hire Casteel
2. Don't meddle with the defense (I guess that would be if #1 doesn't happen)
3. Don't hire Tony Gibson
I'm not sure if Casteel is quite as good as he used to be. Giving up 38 to Louisville at home is not really that impressive.
They are still 23rd in total defense on the year. Pretty solid, regardless of the poor showings against Syracuse and Louisville.
4. Don’t hire GERG
Seriously the guy had one of the greatest backfields in college football history and won 8 games while he was at arkansas.
who would take a job in the SEC? watching bama and LSU convinces one: avoid at all costs.
pac-12 would be much better.
The Pac-12 makes no sense for him. He's never coached out there, and he has no pipelines west of the Mississippi. If anything, the ACC would be the better alternative to the SEC.
I'd say BC needs a coach from what I saw in person last thursday night. Just not sure they'd go after him. They should though, that would be a steal.
That would be a great move for them, but, since he didn't fit in with the culture here, I can only imagine how it would work at BC.
he can find a good DC this time. That was one of his biggest un-doings at Michigan. That and probably some poor recruiting.
Took long enough. I can't believe they hired him in the first place. Houston Nutt is probably one of the worat coaches in the country.
His run at Arkansas was pretty impressive; it was really the OTL drama that did him in.
I think RR is going to have a hard time getting any job at a major because of the M debacle.
Where would he get a staff, all of his WVU crew has moved on or is selling insurance (as they should be). It was pretty clear in his hiring of staff that not many outside of his circle want to work with him or enjoy it.
Is that clear? Why do you say that? After firing Schafer in 2010 it wasn't a cultural fit; people didn't want to work with RR because he had gone 3-9 in his first year and was being referred openly to by a U of M regent as "Dead Man Walking," among other reasons.
I think RR could get a fine staff, but history does tell us that he should be careful to select the right people for the job...
I suspect a bigger reason people didn't want the DC job after Schafer is that they weren't interested in having their job security and future career propects tied to the performance of Tony Gibson and Jay Hopson.
RR might not want to take a job that has as much drama around it as SEC football, especially at Ole Miss. The drama is what doomed his job here, and I don't think he's going to jump into a similar situation.
Give RR a good DC and he'd be a tough out for any team in the SEC. He's a good coach, and with that talent from Nutt he should be able to win quickly. Plus, the Ole Miss crowd seems more accepting of outsiders than RR, if for no other reason than the team has consistently struggled to stay competitive.
RR is going to Penn St.
And to solve the DC problem he's going to hire Sandusky to be his DC.
People from WV are far too classy for those In mississipi..
I actually think that might be a good fit for him. It's close to a talent base he knows and I see him as adequate in the SEC. I wonder, however, if he wouldn't prefer a quieter corner of the world to make his re-entry though - the SEC is like "Friday Night Lights" except at college and sometimes on Thursday or Saturday.
IF Rich Rod learned anything from his experience at Michigan it's that he needs to fit the culture. UCLA would be an awful fit for him. Another top academic institution with an alumni base that is as conceded as Michigans. No way that would be a good fit for him.
He would fit right in at Mississippi. The people in Mississippi are as uneducated as his fan base in West Virginia. Sorry I hate WVU had to take the shot.
I really do believe he will end up in the ACC.
Let RR go drive another program into the ground.
I would not want that job. Ole Miss is a perennial also-ran in an absolutely brutal SEC West.
RR is not a "great" coach. He is an excellent offensive mind; however, he is very flawed as a coach. He continually showed poor judgement in Ann Arbor, including coach selection, poor delegation, and foot in mouth disease. That said, I really hope he does well in his next job because I believe he is a good guy who made some mistakes. And, I loves me a good comeback story.
Maybe he wants to collect a mid to upper 6 figure salary (maybe even 7?) doing a TV gig? Is there any indication or comments by RR that he wants to step back into coaching? I honestly don't know so if someone could point me in that direction (if it exists) it'd be appreciated.
Right at the end of the book, RR himself says he didn't want to take a year off. He wanted to be a head coach this year. Obviously that didn't work out the way he planned.