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OT - Ohio Student Newspaper commentary derides Tressel era as "More Harm than Good"

The Lantern, student newspaper at Ohio had a commentary on October 4, 2011 by a Ben Axelrod related to the Tressel era. The salient points for the non link followers below:

After Pryor, Posey and four other teammates were suspended for the start of the 2011 season, Tressel made them promise that they would return for their senior seasons before letting them play in the Sugar Bowl. You know, because there's no better way to punish kids who claim they only sold stuff because they were in dire need of the money than by preventing them from making a living for one more whole year?

Had Pryor, Posey and Herron all declared for the draft following Tattoo-gate, Tressel would likely still be out of a college coaching job and the Buckeyes would be just as much of a mess on the field as they are now. But thanks to Tressel demanding players to return to a school that they didn't want to be at, OSU is likely facing charges of a lack of institutional control, as in less than a year, 10 players have been suspended for receiving improper benefits.

People like to pretend that Tressel transformed OSU into the national power that it is, when in reality, he's leaving the football program in worse shape than it was in before he got here, and that's a clear sign of having done more harm than good.

Even during hate week it's awesome to watch Ohio implode. That is a spectacular stat that over the past year 10 players have been suspended for receiving improper benefits. If that's not LOIC I wonder what the hell is...(as does the PAC 10/12 lobby).

http://www.thelantern.com/sports/commentary-jim-tressel-has-done-more-harm-than-good-to-ohio-state-football-1.2630004#.TpQygpvqM7I

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October 11th, 2011 at 8:43 AM | Yep. (Score:3 Normal)
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Can't get enough.

 

 

Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling.

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October 11th, 2011 at 8:52 AM | I REALLY hope the LOIC charge (Score:2 Normal)
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I REALLY hope the LOIC charge comes up.

 

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October 11th, 2011 at 9:50 AM | Kick 'em when they're down (Score:2 Normal)
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I read a few pages worth of comments on Bucknuts the other day after Posey's new suspension and the above sentiments are spreading even among the most ardent fans.  I would say their general feelings were "we're sick of it".  When I say sick of it, I mean they are sick of the ongoing investigations, sick of the ham-handed handling of the scandals by Gee and Smith, sick of new allegations that keep coming out and sick of being the poster child for what is wrong with college football.  I would say the fan base in general is almost ready to clean house and throw all the bums out.

I also couldn't help but laugh at all the blame being thrown around.  And I heard quite a few of them say they were done with college football for this year and can't wait for next year to come.  They hate their offensive coordinator (Bollman).  They hate their quarterback Joe Bauserman.  They delusionally think Urban Meyer, Jon Gruden or Tony Dungy might replace Luke Fickell as head coach.

The only thing missing in their complete and utter self destruction is a loss to Michigan.  I hope we can help them with that in six weeks.

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October 11th, 2011 at 11:35 AM | I thought tUoOS (Score:1)
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was the poster child for compliance? 

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October 11th, 2011 at 9:13 AM | heh. (Score:3 Normal)
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Urban Meyer not coming to Ohio.

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October 11th, 2011 at 9:23 AM | Latest Urban Meyer rumor (Score:1)
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I don't think so either.  Nor do I think Dungy or Gruden have any interest in the job.  And the latest I've been hearing about Urban Meyer is that he might be interested in taking over for Joe Pa when he finally retires/gets pushed out.

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October 11th, 2011 at 9:43 AM | I always thought the whole (Score:2 Normal)
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I always thought the whole reason most of the PSU assistants stick around is because JoePa promised the hand it over to one of them and keep the staff in tact. 

 

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October 11th, 2011 at 10:00 AM | I imagine some of those very (Score:2)
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I imagine some of those very same assistants who thought as such have probably retired themselves.  Joe Paterno will be coaching until the end.

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October 11th, 2011 at 10:13 AM | So that is what the Mayan (Score:3 Normal)
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So that is what the Mayan calendar is trying to tell us, JoPa is done in December 2012.

Semper Fidelis

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October 11th, 2011 at 9:24 AM | Good for the Lantern (Score:2 Informative)
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I guess there is intelligent life in Columbus after all.  But certainly not among the adult fans, who seem only to care about winning, academic reputation be damned.

wolverine 73

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October 11th, 2011 at 2:19 PM | Students (Score:3 Normal)
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are concerned about the institution whose name will appear on their diplomas. Grown men who parade around in scarlet and gray cowboy suits or wear multiple buckeye necklaces, not so much.

Taking it one week at a time

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October 11th, 2011 at 9:32 AM | That will only be true IF the (Score:4 Normal)
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That will only be true IF the NCAA grows a pair and does something about it. So far all they've had to deal with is a little embarrassment and that's not a bad trade for 10 years of conference domination.

If the program gets buckled (a-la M BBall circa 1999-2009)THEN I'll buy it. Not until.

 

 

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October 11th, 2011 at 9:48 AM | All this over a few hundred isolated incidents? (Score:2)
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Also a guy who can get you things:

More Than A Coach

Two months ago Ben Axelrod may have gotten beat up for writing that piece.  I wonder if the fanbase is so beaten down that they will agree with him.

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October 11th, 2011 at 9:59 AM | From the comments section . . . (Score:2)
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I shouldn't be surprised, but it amazes me that some Tressel fans still think he walks on water and that Ohio fans think the NCAA is done with their investigation/punishment.  I think there are going to be some really sad pandas in CBus in the next few months.  I liked this point:

. . . every college coach, including Kentucky basketball coach John Calipari (who's had two Final Fours vacated) does charity work.

 

 

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October 11th, 2011 at 10:22 AM | Best case right now. (Score:2)
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If no LOIC or FTM charges come in the future I HOPE that the NCAA sets on their asses till after the season to lightly slap them with no Bowl Game NEXT Year to add to their self imposed 5-7 season this year. All bets are off if the NCAA comes down with more charges, No big coach will take that job till the radiation dies down in about five years.

 

Again this is assuming the NCAA has no sack and is just going along with Ohio's self punishment.

 

Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling.

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October 11th, 2011 at 10:39 AM | hmmmmm... (Score:2)
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It seems that new stuff pops up pretty regularly and we don't know that the NCAA still isn't following various leads. That's the interesting thing here; people in Ohio seem to think that the NCAA investigation component is completed but, as we know from the recent DeVier Posey suspension he has now confirmed the relationship with Dennis Talbott and the free golf. 

The beauty of it is that this adds up new dimensions for the NCAA to investigate and new wrong to come out. Well, that and the whole ESPN supreme court of Ohio angle. 

I do enjoy that Ohio has so many balls left in the air to juggle.

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October 11th, 2011 at 10:25 AM | This is great (Score:1 Normal)
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If enough people in Columbus turn on Tressel, maybe the entire truth will come out.  It would be great if the full extent of Ohio State's cheating ever made it into the mainstream.  The "sacred brotherhood" can't threaten to kill everybody, can they?

 

 

 

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October 11th, 2011 at 10:27 AM | No fanbase has more knee-jerk (Score:3 Normal)
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No fanbase has more knee-jerk reactions than Ohio State, whose fans also had a thread on Bucknuts titled "Joe Bauserman should quit or die" (which was posted on this site yesterday, I think).  They suck in every way.  I almost hate OSU more for their fans than their players, who are also giant dicks.

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October 11th, 2011 at 1:56 PM | Completely agree on hating (Score:1)
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Completely agree on hating the fans more than the players at this point.  Being in Ohio, it's been a whole lot quieter of late.  Here's hoping the NCAA comes down hard.

Whatcha gonna do when Hokeamania runs wild on youuuuuuuuuuuu?

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October 11th, 2011 at 2:31 PM | I agree on the quietness.  (Score:2)
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I agree on the quietness.  It's gotten progressively more so as the season has gone on too.  I don't know whether it's an Ohio fan thing or area I work/live thing but the anger with the program has unfortunate side effects.  I've stopped giving some of the guys I work with a hard time about Ohio because they usually come back with some racist comment about the players who've been in trouble.  It's hard to have a respectable back and forth with someone who just has hatred in them. 

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October 11th, 2011 at 4:28 PM | hmmmmm... (Score:2)
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I actually have hatred for Ohio cheating the last ten years and feel a small amount of latent anger leave me every time a new violation is uncovered.

If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone

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October 11th, 2011 at 10:32 AM | Stating the truth about their (Score:2)
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Stating the truth about their corrupt program?  That won't go down well in Columbus.  Me thinks Ben Axelrod is going to need a bodyguard from now on.  

Go Blue!  Always!

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October 11th, 2011 at 10:58 AM | I will gladly say all kinds (Score:1)
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I will gladly say all kinds of nasty things about Buckeye fans, but most of the ones I know always took pride that they were a (mostly) clean midwestern program unlike those scumbags down in the SEC.  If I were unfortunate enough to be a part of that fanbase, I would be clamoring for a clean sweep of the house, a rebuilding from the basics, and an AD with the capability and will to flex some muscle against horrible boosters and keep a bunch 18-23 year old kids from doing anything stupid to mess up their chances at pro careers.

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October 11th, 2011 at 12:30 PM | I know that the end of (Score:1)
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I know that the end of Tressel's era is a flaming turd, but to say that Tressel didn't return OSU to its previous position as a top-5 program (when it was clearly starting to falter under Cooper) is just insane.  OSU will be fine - they still recruit well, have a wealth of in-state talent, and kids still want to play there.  I love seeing OSU suffer, but this type of reactionary, revisionist BS is the same stuff we saw with Carr and RR, and it was as unseemly then as now.

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October 11th, 2011 at 1:03 PM | The popcorn is on me.... (Score:3 Normal)
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But you'll need to get your own pair of glasses

 

 

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October 11th, 2011 at 2:15 PM | When your own fans start suggesting LOIC... (Score:1)
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Hint hint, NCAA. You will look like morons to even OSU fans if you don't punish the program for LOIC. 

Today's rhetorical question: How many independent individual incidents does it take to see that maybe they're not independent nor individual, but rather indicitive of something far worse?

I'm hoping the NCAA has an inch of brain to realize that independent incidents don't happen on a routine and predictable basis. Because that kinda flies in teh face of what "independent" means.

I'm not a lunatic. Seriously, i'm not.

Ok, maybe just a little bit. 

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October 11th, 2011 at 2:27 PM | Finally, OSU fans are out of denial. (Score:0 Flamebait)
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Now acceptance. Then anger.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

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October 11th, 2011 at 2:50 PM | I thought it was anger, then (Score:4 Normal)
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I thought it was anger, then acceptance?

 

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October 11th, 2011 at 3:03 PM | I have no idea. (Score:0 Flamebait)
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Although, OSU fans are always angry about something.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

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October 11th, 2011 at 9:12 PM | Denial Anger Bargaining (Score:1)
buttesnake
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Joined: 05/17/2011
MGoPoints: 255

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Depression

Acceptance

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October 11th, 2011 at 4:43 PM | The Lantern (Score:2)
LSAClassOf2000
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Joined: 01/07/2011
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Somebody in Columbus please let us know if the offices of The Lantern mysteriously catch fire later this evening....I sense danger in such forthrightness. 

"Funny isn't it, how naughty dentists always make that one fatal mistake."

Follow the random tweets of a Michigan alum - http://twitter.com/#!/LorneEC3

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October 11th, 2011 at 5:16 PM | It's all about winning. And (Score:1)
Wolverine MD
Joined: 08/24/2011
MGoPoints: 236

It's all about winning. And nothing else matters. They were fine with Tressel as long as OSU was winning. They drop a couple of games. And they're out for blood. And it doesn't matter whose. (Player, Coach, Former Coach) 

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October 11th, 2011 at 7:17 PM | This thread (Score:1)
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Joined: 11/27/2009
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has more responses than the Lantern editorial does.

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