OT - Ohio State fails to impress 5-Star DE ($)
Curious how Urban Meyer is choosing to pay attention to a 5 star athlete who comes to visit Columbus. Without giving too much from the (paywalled) article, Lorenzo Carter was less than impressed: "None of the coaches were there. Coach (Urban) Meyer left before I got there. Nobody was there. It was just (offensive coordinator Tom Herman), the coach who recruits me -- he was there with his son."
Link: http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/college-football/rumors/post?id=8008
Way to go, Urbz...way to go.
The kid is a 5* DL recruit, so he must just not be a fit for the program.
/Handed
/RCMB'd
Maybe urbs is recruiting like a teenage girl.
I mean he has been hanging out with 18 year old coeds (at least at Florida).
/11 W'd
Here's a free article with, I'm guessing, most of the same content:
Glad to hear, keep up the good work Meyer!
What better was for Carter to make Urb pay for blowing him off than commit to UM, moving Marshall to LB. Hand, McDowell, Mone, and Carter on the line with Ferns, Winovich, and Marshall behind them and Peppers, Jackson, Smith and Nicholson behind that? Freaking sick! Best defensive recruiting class in the history of the world!
I don't know if this kid is a 2014 recruit or not, but OSU did just get a verbal commit from a very highly rated 2014 WDE (name escapes me) which might be a possible explanation for the less than enthusiastic welcome he received. Still seems like a bad idea to blow a kid off like that.
But, Lorenzo Carter is the 5th ranked overall prospect........not to slight Holmes, but yeah.......
Yeah, Carter is a 2014 kid.
the top players pay attention to what the others are doing. These guys meet one another in camps and via social media. To knowingly blow off a highly ranked young player defies explanation. If you are going to have him on campus, treat him to an enjoyable weekend. Tell him the truth, to be sure, but to just blow one off is bound to come back and bite them at some point.
"to just blow one off is bound to come back and bite them at some point."
I certainly hope so.
The full quote from Atlanta's paper (full article a few posts above) in regard to his visit to Columbus:
“I didn’t really get to see anything. None of the coaches were there. Coach Meyer left before I got there. Nobody was there. It was just (offensive coordinator Tom Herman), the coach who recruits me – he was there with his son. We just walked around their football building and saw the indoor field and the practice fields. Then we got dinner. When I woke up, (defensive line coach Mike Vrabel) came. We ate breakfast, went by the stadium and Buckeye Grove. And that’s it. We left. Ohio State was just a drive-through. We didn’t really do anything.”
The contrast between this and his description of his visit to Notre Dame is striking. He sort of describes the Ohio State visit in a manner some people would describe an overnight stay at a Red Roof Inn, but he seemed genuinely impressed by the folks in South Bend. It's interesting that Ohio State would be that, well, rude to a visiting recruit. He did make a rather expensive trip to Columbus - being there is the least Urban Meyer could do.
To Vrabel: "You give them everything you've got for as long as you have 'em!"
Urbz doin' work.
Urban Meyer, once again leading by example!
Everybody knows he's a great closer!
A BALLER!
~Urbz
it's still incredibly stupid and short-sighted to treat a recruit like this. For one thing, this could sour the relationship with the kid's HS coach who will be less interested in the future to steer kids Urban's way. Second, other players around the country who are thinking about visiting Columbus will read this and think "should I go there and risk getting blown off too?" Keep it up Urban.
A little deceiving... he was in the area for a ND visit. He happened to stop by on the drive home because I-70 happens to go through Columbus. I don't think he even mentioned he was going to be in Columbus until a day or two before hand.
but do you think that Hoke wouldn't know if a kid may be in the area and have some sort of contingency plan in case he did? Something somewhere had to be known by someone. And if it wasn't, epic fail. They couldn't do anything better for him once he showed up? At least an official tour? No, this situation, imo, was mishandled from top to bottom. Vrabel showed up at breakfast after he'd been there half a day. Whoo-de-freakin'-doo.
it would be one thing if he showed up that morning and was like "I'm here! Fawn!" But it sounds like there was at least a little warning, at least for some high level coach to be around and pay some attention before the next day.
A couple 2016 kids who are committed to Mississippi State and camped at Michigan last week (Robert Washington, Connor O'Donnell) wanted to stop by Michigan for another visit. Even though Michigan's coaches were supposed to be on vacation, Fred Jackson came over to campus and gave them a tour.
I'm confused, are you saying that Michigan sending Fred Jackson in to meet with those recruits was better than what OSU threw together (allegedly, for the purposes of this discussion) at the last minute? Because this recruit had the OC take him on a tour then met with his position coach the next day. Sounds just as good as having the RB coach come by for a last minute tour.
With the way it was phrased, Carter seemed a little annoyed that the OC was the one giving the tour. Jackson is the running backs coach and gave Robert Washington (a running back) a tour. O'Donnell is a wide receiver, but at least it was the same side of the ball for him.
But the recruit's quote also specifies that the OC is the coach that has been recruiting him (I assume OSU, like a lot of places, assigns recruiters by region not position), and he still met with his position coach, Vrabel, while visiting. This seems just as good as the Michigan story you mention.
It just seems like the kid wasn't terribly impressed by OSU, not that OSU gave him the cold shoulder or ignored him or something.
If you're a 2014 recruit who's widely considered one of the top defensive ends in the nation, you probably expect a little bit of attention.
Meanwhile, Washington and O'Donnell are both rising sophomores (class of 2016) who aren't necessarily stud recruits. Good players, yes, but probably not 5-star good. And they're getting just as much coaching attention as Carter. I think that says something. I guess we can agree to disagree.
For the sake of this discussion, I'm operating under the assumption that elaydin is right about the guy stopping by with a day or two's notice. Rolling out the red carpet for someone probably takes some time to coordinate, time that it sounds like OSU didn't have. But the kid got to meet his primary recruiter and his position coach, as well as receive a tour of the football facilities. For a last minute visit, that seems pretty good.
My mistake: O'Donnell met with Jeff Hecklinski, and Washington met with Fred Jackson.
When I talked to Laura Hoke at the Chicago Midwest Coach's tour, this is exactly the kind of thing she talked about as being a pain, and the biggest challenge. She literally said, if a 5 star recruit is in town, what do you think the coaches will do? They'll go to the office, show the kid around, give him a tour, do what he wants.
So I'm a pastor, which means I spend a lot of time with people, meeting with them in their homes, at church, in the hospital, etc. Some of the time, they'll make appointments. Some of the time, they'll drop in, and I'm at my desk and can easily make time, and am glad to make time. But sometimes, someone will show up when I'm heading out the door to go home. Or they'll call my cell phone, when I'm at one of my kid's ballgames, or out doing something with my wife. If it is an emergency, of course I'm glad to make time, no matter what. But if someone just drops in without an appointment or call, and I've made a promise to my son, or my wife, or something else, it isn't easy to drop what I've committed to doing. And the person who wants to see me can choose to be offended because I don't drop everything right away to give them my attention. It is a hard balance.
IIRC, one of the reasons Meyer burned out at Florida is because he didn't set boundaries, and wasn't around for his kids. So if Meyer is at a family function that's been planned for a long time, or out with his wife for a rare date, what is he supposed to do? "Sorry honey, gotta go, there's a kid waiting to see me, we'll have to try a date some other time." That's exactly the kind of thing he wanted to avoid doing at Ohio.
unfortuneately, that's part of the job today; especially at a school like osu. he's getting paid what $4-5 million? so sometimes you have to be on call for recruits and players unexpectedly; the guys who help you make that coin.
We would have also accepted
"Meyers gonna Mey"
from the AJC article:
Was that a bummer not to see more at Ohio State? “It was kind of disappointing but it was whatever. “
I wonder if meyer was out yachting... (too soon?)
Urban needed to spend more time with his family.
Don't joke. He's contractually obligated to do so.
When did the recruit contact Meyer? Did the recruit have any flexibility whatsoever? How I'd view this depends on whether the recruit gave Meyer any lead time or not. If he called a couple hours before to say, "Hey, I'm on the road and going through Columbus, I'd like to stop and see you." well, I guess I'd be pretty sympathetic to Meyer.
Real recognize unreal.
He's not a fit for THE Ohio State University!
I mean, unless he showed up completely unannounced, how do you not make time for a kid like that? Having some family issues again, Urbs?
This is a Michigan blog.
Thanks, after all this time I finally understand why it's always the same color.