Well, technically Monday, but you all know what I mean. Here is one of those fancy internet linky-ma-jiggers to an ESPN article with a few highlights of the interview. I was pretty blown away with how openly he confirmed just about everything she threw at him. He couldn't help himself with his little jab at the USADA for their report on his '09-'10 tour, but overall he seemed to put the onus on himself. I still think he's a big fat jerkface, but, at least now he admitted as much. Thoughts from the MGoCommunity? I will also accept answers such as "WOOOOO BIG 10 ROAD WIN LOLPHERS" because obviously.
OT: Oh yeah, Lance Armstrong said stuff of mild importance tonight.
This was discussed on Monday. You made the post like something new happened tonight just to bring up a discussion from 4 days ago?
and the article he posted was either published or edited seven minutes ago.
Oh in that case my bad, I thought the interview aired the day it filmed. Haven't followed it too closely tbh.
This strongly resembles my cousin, Hans.
Who is this fictitious-arm-wrestling-sounding man's name you're referring too?!
He was good.
If Lance Armstrong is somehow behind this whole Te'o thing, and has been planning it for years to dull the impact of this interview, he's my new hero.
Scott Tenorman, right?
But for the record, I don't believe for one minute that there's a single clean guy in all of competitive biking. Not one.
OK, you're probably right
Cycling is a lot better than it was. Still has problems, but it is scientifically evident that performances have decreased since Armstrong's day. There were a few people clean in his day, too, but nobody knows them because they weren't competitive.
FYI don't throw stones too far. I think the NFL and NBA are loaded with dirt, too.
When the tour was going on and they would be all "they re up in the saddles" or "it's a time trial" and you would be all "is this a lance givestrong thing?" And they would be all "we'll, lance is the team captain, but I am really more of a fan of Tyler somebody because..." And then you would tune them out. Remember how bad tou wanted to kick them in the nuts? But you didn't because the whole reason they liked bike riding in the first place was the lack of physical contact. Well, this is like lance kicking them in the nuts for you. And when i talk to them about it now I always ask about how their darling Tyler is dijng and how I always thought he was a better cheater anyway.
God forbid that someone has interests that are different than yours.
Well the delay in airing the interview until today sure backfired for Oprah.
The NYTimes just ran an article about how good it was for OWN.
I am fairly confident you will one day have a daughter. You will love that term when you hear "banged her" and think about your own offspring.
And to be honest, it's repugnant to think that another person would see her in that way. But my hot MILF neighbor? Not at all, because, obviously....
And totally get it...but it's a personal problem I have with that term. I'm really not uptight in general, but that term is just yucky to me.
From here on out, I am strictly about "bumpin' uglies". No more bangin'.
WOOOOO BIG 10 ROAD WIN LOLPHERS
Go back where you came from...oh wait! He can't - he became too big for his old life:
He spent so many years covering it up and denying it all—why come clean now? Blackmail? Does he have cancer again and he's trying to make amends?
He's been banned for life from associating with pro cycling. He probably wants to get that reduced to a few years (which is more typical for those who fess up).
What source of income does he have coming in? I'm guessing this is a plan to get him back into some competitions et all and maybe to increase book sales?
Sounded from CNN tonight like he could owe the federal government up to 90m (triple damages for 30m) in the whistle-blower case against him, and that's just the start. Lance will declare bankruptcy before this is over.
Seems possible. And FWIW I think he's not really thinking about making money right now. Controlling the confession perhaps, but not making money.
...time for him to attempt to implicate Ochowicz, Weisel, the labs and the UCI under oath and portray himself as a mere participant. I think last night's "I won't talk about others" strategy was to try elicit sympathy... In another venue and under oath, we might see details emerge which might reduce his financial exposure.
ESPN said there would probably be a settlement, but likely not less than $40mil. Loose change for the federal government, really. (no politicial)
He is actually a world class triathlete. He has the ability to make revenue streams there, but until he admits, he is barred. So Lance:
1) Admit to doping
2) Get lifetime "ban" revoked and serve 2-3 year "ban"
3) Come back and win triathlons
I can't bring myself to read or watch anything about Lance. I have no respect for him.
I thought Oprah did a good job asking questions and Armstrong did a good job answering them like an asshole.
I figured it was because she found out the truth and that she didn't want to live the lies. I certainly didn't believe anyone could be such a douchebag as to have survived cancer and as soon as your girlfriend is diagnosed you dump them.
But it looks like Lance is in fact that much of a douchebag.
I just assumed she just wanted to upgrade to 2 balls....
But in all seriousness, cancer's normally not funny, but any joke made at douchebag Lance's expense is PC in my book.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
To me, this interview established him as one of the biggest douches I have ever heard of. I mean it is one thing to lie about PEDs to protect his cause, humanitarianism, and organization, but for his selfish motives, I mean come on. He ruined numerous lives and careers in order to protect hs image that in my mind will never be repaired. I really do feel for his teammates that had to put up with him and actually came to know him as a friend but were ultimately betrayed in the long run... Here is an article about who the real Lance is, and he has not only betrayed those fighting cancer, but he has also destroyed a national fan base in which we had all come to know and admire because of his "determination." Shame.
I loved watching Lance in the tour. So many great memories. They all doped an unfortunately it got to the point where you dope or you lose. Not much different than baseball during the same period. But he's an ass for how he treated his former teammates or anyone that came forward.
He's lucky to have the air cover of Monte Te'o's media blow up to draw attention away.
What's amazing to me is how this is the sidestory in the sport's world right now. With the Teo scandal/what-the-hell-is-going-on-here-ordeal I just would never have guessed that this sack of shit and his one testicle could admit to cheating for all these years and it would be second place in terms of shock value in sports today.
Either way, glad to see him fall, when a story is too good to be true, it's most likely too good to be true.
P.S. --- I hope his charity changes its name.
What's important is this; my friend who graduated from Michigan in 2010 made it home after ten months in Afghanistan. I couldn't be happier or drunk. I love you Dan and glad you're home. Go blue..
And Go Blue!!
tell me your friend Dan is a lieutenant.
The man inspired people who were on their last leg while raising millions for cancer research as well as cancer awareness and people lable in a "douche" for cheating at competitive cycling. Wow do we have some messed up priorities.
I for one couldn't care less if he cheated. I'm beyond believing anyone in professional sports has done it right. At least this guy did some good with his fame. He could have just been a degenerate gambler like so many others.
For shame Mgoblog. Lance Armstrong, still an American Hero. A title he earned that has nothing to do with any athletic achievements.
Remember Marge Schott? She made the same argument about Hitler. Google it and find out how MLB felt about that.
Did you really just compare a man who cheated at sports to a man who committed genocide?
Are people who speed as bad as Jerry Sandusky?
Nope. I just compared you to Marge Schott.
Let's assume Marge was better looking in this case, too.
Anyway, here's the point: he's not a hero. He may have done some good (though several people report that he did a lot less good than he claimed) but he built his reputation not only on lies but on the destroyed lives of others. He attempted to blacklist many people who crossed him to the point that they would be unable to earn a living at their chosen occupation, knowing full well they were telling the truth and that he was wrong.
Heroes don't do that.
You compared our comparisons, same thing.
That said he did far more good than bad. We celebrate far more terrible people in sports. We cheer for guys like Ruth and Cobb who were racists. We cheer for criminals like Ray Lewis and drug users like Michael Phelps all of whom did no good. Yet a man who did a the very least far more good than all of these people who's discarded for doing what probably 90% of other cyclists were also doing.
I love this holier than thou attitude that so much of this community has. Living in Wisconsin I always tell people I can't cheer for teams here because of the fans. Having been reading this site for a few years now, I'm quite sure I would hate Michigan if I lived near AA. Get over yourselves people, you are not better than Lance Armstrong.
What has Lance Armstrong done to show he's a better person than anyone else? Is it that he's a cancer survivor? His athletic success, even assuming the doping didn't do anything, just for the sake of argument? Are you basing him being a good person on inspirational messages and marketing campaigns, regardless of how truthful he was?
I'm honestly confused why Lance Armstrong is better than any of the many good people on this blog or in my every day life.
For the record I didn't say he was better, I said these people are not better than him. The man lied, who here hasn't lied? Are your lies ok while his are not? On the flip side what have any of us done to better the lives of others? He may have lied and cheated to get to the top, but as I said before at least him did some good with it. He started a foundation that has raised how much money for cancer research? How many of the Detroit Tigers (This sites MLB team which is most likely littered with cheaters and liars,) have done anything like that? But the Tigers are great and Lance is a douche...
Once again the fact that having a different opinion on this site is shown to not be acceptable as most of my posts get marked flamebait. The user Mod system on this site is a joke.
My god, man. Get off his nut. The guy is a flaming douche. He ruined the lives of people close to him, knowing full well they were right.
which is why nobody cares about the "cheating", not to mention when you have people in the Olympics competing with bionic limbs the whole steroid/doping issue doesn't seem like a big deal.
My thoughts: I'm a cycling fan and have followed Lance for over 10 years now. I was a fan. Sometime a year or so after his first retirement, I began to be convinced that he doped. I have been totally convinced of it for years now. And I don't like that he was a total jerk to people who didn't support him.
So far, halfway through, he has admitted most things that are known to be true. He has been forthcoming, and admitted that he was not a nice person. Sometimes he seemed a bit flippant about it.
One problem is that I think people are looking at this as an apology, and while he does sort of apologize, he seems to treat this only as an interview. This is particularly noticeable in the bizarre way he discussed his treatment of the Andreus, whom he treated evilly and knows it. Maybe it's because he knows that "apologizing" on tv for that is pointless, I don't know.
Crucial issue: he claims he was clean for his comeback. I don't believe that at all, and in an interview where he is otherwise confessing to absolutely everything, I can't figure it out. No way he was clean.
I feel that you are looking at me, and it makes me nervous.
It was 3 a.m.....husband is away for the week golfing....home alone with my kids.....hearing noises in the house. And if it is redundant, you totally need to change it!
He was a true champion. Everything that Armstrong pretended to be.
...some suggest that Lemond also doped. Greg bested Chiapucci and Fignon...
Doping was rampant in cycling. If Lance didn't win, another doper would have. Lance didn't have an advantage over his competitors. It was a level playing field. He deserves to have his accolades admonished. However, I don't agree with vilifying him. He cheated, but he was just better at cheating than everyone else.
It's not about the doping. Prior to the biological passport, it has to be assumed that any athlete in a WADA sport that had an advantage to gain was doping; in non-WADA sports without meaningful testing programs or sanctions (football, soccer, baseball) I presume that doping and PEDs remain rife. Among cheaters, LA comes across as just particularly professional and efficient.
But that doesn't mean we can't villify him for trying to personally destroy everyone that left his fold. He remains an amazing athlete, but he is a loathesome human being.*
While it is likely that Lemond took some sort of doping products during his carrer EPO and the oxygen boosting drugs were not availible until the twilight of his carrer. I would not be supprised at all to find that Lemond used amphetamens or cortizone which were rampent in pro cycling at that time but the evidence seems to point to him not having engaged in blood doping or EPO use. His carrer may well have ended early because of the introduction of EPO in the early 90's when he went from winning the tour in 1990 to being blown off the road in 91-94 by then unknow riders who later were acknowlaged to be using EPO.
Lemond rapidly became a mid-pack rider as EPO exploded through the peloton and is a clear example of what happened to the sport. And I strongly suspect he is bitter about it.
I agree that Lemond was most likely clean (guy had an obscene VO2 max and other distance athlete measurables). However, I believe that health issues relating to the hunting accident also accelerated his decline. I know he had success after that happened, but I still think it was a major contributor.
I guess only he could answer that. It would have made sense to speculate that back then, but we now know that EPO invaded the Peloton in a big way in the early 90s and completely changed the landscape. Other riders of the day have spoken about how things completely changed, and it seems reasonable to think that Lemond was overtaken not so much by declining form but by a group of competitors that were, quite literally, playing by different rules.
The name nobody every brings up is Miguel Indurain, who won five Tours in a row; he eclipsed Lemond, and by the time he stopped winning, the guys at the front of the pack were juiced to the gills and have admitted it. The first person to win after him, Bjarne Riis, has publically confessed to doping to win his Tour, and is known to have doped for some time before that.
Indurain is the bridge between riders thought to be mostly clean (Lemond and his contemporaries like Fignon) and an era known to be completely dirty.
Given what we know about the people he was beating, and what we know about Pedro Delgado, a teammate of Indurain's who was the team leader prior to Indurain's rise (Delgado is a known cheater, and while I don't have the information in front of me I *think* I recall that he blood doped, which is pretty effective), there is every reason to suspect that Indurain was a doper as well. He simply hasn't been grilled about it.
It is not unreasonable to wonder if there has been a single clean winner of the Tour since Lemond won. Now, a few of the winners since Lance retired (Carlos Sastre, Cadel Evans) may well be clean, but we don't know that; we do know, for sure, that every winner between 1996 and 2005 was juiced, we know that Alberto Contador juiced, and we can strongly suspect Oscar Perreiro (the guy who was awarded the win after Floyd Landis was DQ'd) and Andy Schleck are dirty.
I love cycling, but it is a dirty sport.
had the ball to come clean.
So he basically said that he did every doping trick in the book, before and during his Tour runs.
Not surprising, and as I said before, it's not the doping that pisses me off, but how arrogant he was in his lies, and how he tried ruining the lives of the people that accused him of doing what he just admitted to,
all the Internetz (invented by Al Gore) to you sir!
that is exactly it. He crushed people's lives in a ruthless defense of his lies.
He is scum.
When the post office sponsored him. The Feds are shady. LOL Feds. Oh, and Suck it, Gophers!
"mild" importance is a pretty apt categorization...possibly an overstatement
I hadn't known this until today (because I never really paid attention to cycling) but it turns out that there is a small Michigan connection. I just read this over at CNNSI.com by Austin Murphy:
Betsy Andreu was an inconvenient woman. At a time when a fawning media competed to compose paeans to Lance Armstrong (for years, I was at the forefront of that too-credulous crowd), she struck a discordant note. If we were enterprising enough to search for it, she told us, we would find that there was more to Armstrong's story than met the eye. It really wasn't about the bike.
The wife of former Armstrong teammate Frankie Andreu, she is a whip-smart graduate of the University of Michigan. She is well-spoken, often funny and occasionally profane, such as when the subject of her nemesis arises.
Standing up for truth, now that deserves a Go Blue!
Ha! I was just about to post the U-Mich connection but it looks like I was beaten to the punch.
Let this be a lesson to not mess with an aggreived Wolverine. ESPECIALLY not a mother Wolverine. This is how a real, non-sociopath person acts, Lance. (Also, at the risk of neg-votes, she's kinda hot too!)