You forgot about the Jordy Nelson muffed fair catch that we recovered. Mike Peiera (sp?) and both analysts thought we got screwed on that one too. I hate to make excuses for the way we played but that was one of the worst officiated games I have ever watched. Seems to be commonplace for the Lions in Lambeau though...
OT: Officiating for the Lions game
I missed this play. Does anyone have a link to the replay?
I don't know what it is against the Lions but how can you review the Nelson TD and not the Young TD? I don't know if this is the NFL telling the Lions "Its not supposed to be your turn yet", or what the deal is.
For whatever reason these refs are not impartial and a lot of strongly worded letters should be sent to the NFL in regards to this.
I mean I know the Lions have shot themselves in the foot a time or two, but piling with the officials is atleast a 15yarder.
The reason they reviewed the Nelson TD was because it was called a TD and all TDs are reviewed. The titus young catch was not called a TD and the lions had no challenges left so they don't review that.
I have a feeling because of this game they are going to make some changes to the challenge system and probably that staff of refs out there yesterday.
Is it seems in the NFL that evidince doesn't have to be conclusive to overturn a call. If that truly is the case, they should rule everything on the field a touchdown, and then let Roger Goodell just decide who he wants to win from New York every week.
Thanks for the rule clarification.
I really think they should opt for the college system where every play is reviewed.
The Nelson touchdown was called a touchdown, which is reviewable. Titus Young's touchdown was ruled incomplete, which was not booth reviewable. Complete garbage if you ask me
Matt Flynn was the better QB. HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES?!
Not trolling. Just an opinion. Grow up.
I didn't know Mitch McGary was a smoker this changes everything. Well really is doesn't!
Matt Stafford threw for over 5000 yards this past season with 41 TDs to 16 INTs at the age of 23. If you asked NFL GMs if they would have Stafford or Flynn all 32 would say Stafford. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
He was the better QB yesterday. Look at the scoreboard. I agree Stafford is better. Don't call me names, it hurts my feelings.
Are an Idiot.
Thanks for the insight.
Using that logic then, you would argue that GB's WR James Jones is better than Calvin Johnson. I don't think so.
Seeing as you're part of the idiot crew that for some reason hates Stafford, I'll place this here for your enlightenment. http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2011/seasontype/2
For those too lazy to click the link, Stafford was 5th in the NFL in Passer Rating.
Was the better team, Flynn was not the better qb.
Flynn was playing against starters.
The lions top 2 DBs did not play, so yes the backups were starters technically, but the lions still didn't have their top players out there.
This JV team talk is total bullshit. The Packers were down Woodson and Matthews on defense and the Lions were down Delmas, Aaron Berry, and Corey Williams. Both defenses weren't at 100% so it's a stupid argument by Packers fans that they were sending out their JV defense.
First off, yes the lions got the shaft by the officials yesterday. Still, if they would have stopped GB one more time, they win. Their D deserves plenty of blame as well.
But, Flynn was the better QB yesterday. Better completion percentage, fewer INT's, more TD's, and the crucial game winning drive in crunch time. And Flynn doesn't have the athletic freak that is Calvin Johnson catching anything thrown within 7 feet of him.
Stafford had a great day. He's proven himself to be a very, very good quarterback. There's not arguing that he is more established right now. Whether Flynn will reach that level will be found out over time. But yesterday, Flynn was better, by pretty much any objective or subjective measure.
difference? Time left in a game doesn't make a difference what type of plays were called?
I find it laughable to point to one game and say one player is a better overall player than another. Detroit is still without their best DB. And any reasonable runing back. Both most likely starting runners are out.
If the Lions had been up that touchdown that young caught which the ref standing right in front of him was too blind to see, the Lions would have been playing from ahead, not behind, and Stafford wouldn't have thrown the extra int at the end. They would have run the clock out.
Is Flynn good? Yes. Is he better than Stafford and was he better in that gaeme? Questionable.
Add the TD Stafford threw to Young and take off the last int, and stafford throws for more td's 1 int, more yards, and their team wins the game. And without nearly as many starters as GB sat.
I think the refs decisions changed the outcome of the game and as a result you are saying Flynn is better.
I just can't agree. Show me some PROOF. Show take a TD away from the packers and see how the outcome would have differed. You can't. And you can't show me that flynn was better.
The Lions lead the league in personal fouls because the NFL doesn't like them and the officials have it out for them.
Having Ndamukong Suh doesn't help.
He's a hell of a player. If he ever gets 100% focused, look out.
Lion fan may be the most sensitive fanbase I've ever seen. Be happy, they are in the playoffs.
Just go away troll. If people came on here talking shit about Michigan I don't think you'd take it too kindly, so us Lions fans politely ask you to gtfo.
Quit whining. This is not a Lion blog. I can post whatever I want.
Your life must be really boring if the best thing you can think of to do is bait Lion fans on a blog.
No not really. My son is taking a nap. It's my day off work so I'm browsing MGoBlog. No different than you, I'm sure.
When did I ever whine, buddy? All I'm saying is you need to grow up. You have nothing better to do besides troll other Michigan fans.
Settle down, buddy.
I'm not a Lions fan btw(though I do follow them and generally hope they do well). Seeing as I am a Falcons fan, I was actually happy they lost yesterday. I just can't really handle silly taunts and the last thing any reasonable person would mock the Lions for after yesterday's game is QB play.
I'm not trying to taunt Stafford. Silly taunts....see Suh. I don't really want the Packers to play the Lions either, they are going to be a tough out.
Supposedly Wayne Larrivee went nuts and called Suh classless when he pulled the "Belt Celebration" after his sack of Flynn. Who fucking cares what celebration he chooses to do. And you like to talk about how Lions fans are sensitive!
I had to laugh when the announcers were whining about "oh, I wish he'd do that with more class." It's a fucking TOUCHDOWN DANCE. So it's classy and cool and quirky to strut around mocking your opponents like you have a WWE belt on, but it's classless to make fun of that? The world has officially rolled into irrational hater territory re: Suh.
lol, if you get in bad moods after a loss, you picked the wrong NFL team to root for.
The game yesterday was ridiculous, but take comfort in the fact that the Lions are still in the playoffs by their own doing. They appear to be trending in the right direction for the first time in about 15years, and they seem to have the franchise QB that has evaded them for decades.
The future looks bright, draft a C, LT, and a few DB's (especially after yesterday). Yes yesterday was frustrating and it appears the Lambeau streak may never come to an end, but keep the big picture in sight. Go Lions!
It was a great game to be at in person, I can tell you that...but:
What about the unsportsmanlike conduct on Grant for the snow angel?
What about the weak PI on Tramon Williams on the last drive. Just because Megatron is 6'6" doesnt mean he's guaranteed a flag whenever a 6'1" corner actually does a good job covering him.
Refs missed blatant taunting by Scheffler after his 4th quarter td and tap dance number
Bad calls go both ways and life isn't fair. Contrary to popular belief the Millen era doesn't entitle you shit. Schwartz, the Lions players and the fans need to quit crying, grow up and get ready for the Saints.
With all that said, this rivalry is gonna be a blast to watch the next few years.
Sorry for the block of text...the droid app doesnt acknowledge the use of the enter key on my qwerty keyboard.
Grant layed on the ground for 30 seconds THEN he did a snow angel, I think that was the problem. The PI wasn't a bad call, it was unlucky for Williams that the ball was underthrown and he interfered with Johnson trying to come back to the ball. I think that's the PI you're talking about....
If you want taunting look at Bush on your team talking shit to Kevin Smith after he hit him while giving up a touchdown. I really hope Smith just got up and said "You just gave up a touchdown asshole, why are you talking shit?"
Hypocrit much? Suh taunting Rodgers while Flynn is torching them?
Yeah if Suh did that when he knocked Flynn down, but he got the throw off for a touchdown, that would be compeletely stupid. But Suh got a sack and celebrated, there's nothing wrong with that. Bush on the other hand, gave up a touchdown and got in someone's face.
There's a big difference.
Thanks for the spellcheck. I just thought the taunt by Suh was ridiculous. I thought the taunt by Bush was ridiculous. He's one of the worst DB's I've seen and has no business taunting anyone. Why are you so sensitive?
it's funny, you're trying to make me get upset or something, so you can ask me why I'm so sensitve, but I'm not mad at all.
I'm done talking with you . See ya. Have a nice day. Go blue.
I'm not trying to get you mad. You have a great day too. Go Blue and good luck against the Saints next week.
Completely agree on the snow angel, and PI were bad calls, but the Lions got the shaft of bad calls in about 5 minutes of gametime in the 2nd quarter. How they thought Scheffler, and Logan fumbled the ball is beyond me, clearly on the ground both times, having to waste challenges because of complete incompetence from the refs is why the NFL is the NFL. In the grand scheme of things Lions defense is reason they didn't win, but the refs didn't help.
The rule is cut and dry on the snow angel. You cannot take the celebration to the ground. Can't get more on the ground than Grant was.
The PI was pretty weak, but I'm certain they missed several more CJ deserved, so, whatevs.
Tramon grabbed his arm, and didn't let go, that's pass interference, not a thing wrong with that call. The call on Grant was stupid, 15 yards hardly effected the game, even though he did deserve it. The Refs have been consistent with that excessive celebration call all year. The calls you just mentioned are pathetic, and a feeble attempt to try to justify 4-5 horrible calls against the Lions. By the way, there was more pass interference on the last play of the game, than what Tramon Williams got called for on Calvin.
False. Tramon had great position and it shouldve been a no-call.
You can have great position and still grab his arm.
pale in comparison to direct bad calls that influenced scores. You are complaining about after the play nonsense - other than the debatable PI - while Lions fans are complaining about actual in-game errors by the officials.
You need to re-read the end of my post. Quit blaming the refs and be accountable. Errors happen (there was one in the kc/gb game where a fullback fumbled the ball in front of the pylon), maybe one day they'll become a good enough team to overcome that kind of adversity.
it doesn't matter to me.
If something unfair happens in the day and age of review, it is perfectly acceptable to complain about why it wasn't reviewed, why the review failed or why certain calls aren't reviewable.
I suggest you join the real world where people will always talk about such calls and accept it as part of being a football fan.
To quote Schwartz himself after calvin not completing the process. "the day I start blaming officials for losses is the day I need to not be doing this (coaching) any more"
we are fans.
He is a coach.
It makes little sense for a coach to use officiating as an excuse, as it leaves no room for the self-improvement of the team.
As for fans, we are outside observers with no influence over the mentality of team going into next week's practices and thus can complain about such things as poor calls in an important game.
Errors happen but 3 (!) game-changing calls against one team in a game in inexcusable for an NFL officiating crew.
I'll admit the taunting flag on Grant was BS but you are talking about a flag here and there and not game changers like missed TD calls and fumbles that really could have altered the outcome of the game. Jim Schwartz had every right to be livid about the officiating in the game yesterday because you don't see 3 game-changing blown calls go against one team very often.
That pass interference in preventing a receiver to come back for the ball and not touching it themselves is going to be called just about every time.
I don't know that I agree with it, but I have seen it called the same way in both the pro's and college ball both.
I would admit there were some things the refs missed against Detroit, but TWO TURNOVERS AND A TOUCHDOWN.
That is NOT equivalent to a personal fowl.
Detroit got hosed by the refs, and yes, the REFS COST THE LIONS THE GAME via taking a touchdown away that detroit scored and giving the ball to Green Bay twice. The spread of the score was less than a touchdown. I really don't know how you can argue that. You can always say "Mistakes happen, you just have to play through them." but when the refs keep points off the board, that rings a little hollow, no matter which way you're going.
I won't complain about missed calls because they did not deserve to win that game.
The person who says Flynn is better than Stafford is an idiot. Stafford threw for 500 yards on this allegedly Super Bowl contending team without a running game.Conversely, no one expects the Lions to contend for a Super Bowl title this year. Green Bay is a one-dimensional team that has to hope that an ancient Charles Woodson and Clay Matthews will make enough of a difference defensively to win them another Super Bowl.
It says something about the weakness of the NFL that teams with such horrid defenses like Green Bay, New England, and New Orleans are considered prohibitive favorites to win it all. Where have ye gone, O' Defense?
I thought it would be more obvious that it was a joke when I said Flynn was better than Stafford but apparently not. The reason the defenses are so bad is because the league has engineered it as such. There has not been a rule change to help the defense in quite sometime, if ever. Yards and points keep going through the roof as a result. Right now the best defense is an offense that can score a ton of points.
Except you said it was your opinion in the next post. Troll. You are baiting lions fans and then trying to act reasonable.
"Lions suck and don't deserve anything."
Get called out for being a troll
"God you guys are sensitive. Suh taunted. I'm not a lions fan so I'll say some other stupid shit."
Just quit posting on this thread if you're not a lions fan. I might be tolerant if you had any good points, but you don't. You are posting something stupid and then every post after is trying to justify your stupid post. Gtfo
It does seem that the more calls that go against you, the more calls will go against you. Once the Lions got a reputation this year it seemed that most grey area judgement calls automatically went against us, like we lost the benefit of the doubt for an entire season or something.
Somewhere Sunday, Jahvid Best was sitting on a couch saying
nothing to see here.
It doesn't seem like the league likes Detroit very much, and the penitentiary levels of personal fouls don't help. But look at it this way, it wasn't long ago that the Lions went 0-16 and now they're in the playoffs. They're also a team likely to get better before they get worse.
The D was terrible yesterday, but chances are that Rogers wouldn't have done much better and that means it was a shoot out with one of the best teams in the league. The Lions hung in until the end.
Also, we should keep in mind that Green Bay is in Wisconsin. When you live in the Ohio of the North, the Packers are all you have. So expect them to come to this thread to talk smack and be kind to them; imagine if you had to open your passport and see Wisconsin as your place of birth. However, if they're a UP Packer fan, let loose. Traitors every one.
Actually, uf you've ever been to a game in Lambeau. Us cheeseheads are actually pretty hospitable unless you root for that purple team. If you want to compare a pro teams fans to Ohio, look no further than Chicago. Unfortunately, all the complaining about the referrees and the "broken" system of rules makes Lions fans come off somewhat Spartyish today.
If Michigan were in the Lions shoes yesterday, I'm sure you would be totally fine with the calls.
*insert disclaimer about how poorly the Lions defense played yesterday*.
But I still think Flynn and Stafford deserve Hoke epic double points
Not a real good game heading into the playoffs but you're in! Thats something to be excited about it! Not a big Lions fan but I hope they play the spoilers this week!
One of the worst officiated games I have ever seen. Still should have won though.
Even people in Wisconsin were saying the refs were awful yesterday
Even the Sun Belt Conference thought that was a poorly officiated game.
its funny how i see on facebook that matt flynn is the 2nd best qb in the nfc north
I hate the packers with a passion, and I live in Milwaukee, those fans are obnoxious, and most are very dumb about the x's and o's of the game,
Packers fans are Badgers fans are Brewers fans are bucks fans, i hate them all !
living in wisconsin and suffering thru this straight up sucks
Rodgers is a good qb, but i give that system and all the talent he has at wr and te more props then him, you put rodgers on the vikings- hs an above average qb, you put flynn on the vikings, he is matt cassel 2.0
the lions will get leshoure back next season, hopefully he can make a difference along with best and smith.
upgradeing the secondary will be huge as well as replacing backus.
for some reason, the lions just never seem to make corner a real high priority
Gotta resign avril and tulloch and get calvin signd long term to lower that 17 million dollar cap hit and get him extended also.
"Packers fans are Badgers fans." Never been the to UP, huh?
i'm saying in general to the wisconsin population they are
as for the U.P.--Iron Mountain - Becco's Italian Sausages are the bomb
i hate packers fans
Officiating in the NFL gets worse every year. They say they're trying to make it less subjective, but I feel the calls are becoming more subjective.
It's not the reason why the Lions lost, but I've seen the Lions get screwed on calls quite a bit the last 5-6 years (that I've been really paying attention). Part of it is that the better teams get more breaks (like every sport). I'm actually more upset about some of the fines that Lions players have receiverd.
Flynn had a good game and the Lions defense played awful however the facts are that if their are three challengable situations/calls all on one team in one half, something is wrong with the officiating
ever in Milwaukee stop in at BBC's on North Avenue
its the Lions bar in Milwaukee