College basketball is amateur.
no, YOU'RE off topic
College basketball is amateur.
I can't ever envision Izzo going out the same way as Carr. He'll be more likely to pull a Woody Hayes and punch some kid.
All kidding aside, State will be back and this basketball rivalry will be fun to watch.
it felt so great not hearing them say "Oh just wait till basketball season!"
Mean anything for the team he'll have when it really counts. So I don't see this lasting. But while it's happening? Fuck Izzo. This is the guy who tried to beat us by 100 when we were down. I hope his head explodes at court side.
I hear you but MSU lived through John L Smith (!!!). It's logically inconsistent for us to make fun of them for obsessing over us, and then to post this
you're being ironic.
This is the INTERNET fergodsakes!
Come and knock on my door. My couch is waiting for you.
Pistons won by 40!! Holy Maggette.
2012: Sweet 16
2011: First Round
2010: Final Four
2009: Championship Game
2008: Sweet 16
2007: Second Round
2006: First Round
2005: Final Four
2004: First Round
2003: Elite 8
2002: First Round
While I'm not denying Izzo gets his team into March every year with alarming consistency, the idea that he's been a March Madness god of some sorts seems overblown to me. While 2 Final Fours and a Championship Game appearance is nothing to sneeze it (we would've killed for that over the last 11 years), his teams have fallen short more often than not. That 2010 Final Four was especially lucky as they played the 12 seed, 4 seed (won on last second bucket), 9 seed, and 6 seed. New Mexico State, Maryland (hey!), Northern Iowa, and Tennessee isn't exactly a murderer's row.
Pundits were pushing the "overrated" label on Michigan despite them returning everyone but Novak and Douglas and bringing in 3 Top 100 recruits. State lost a guy who was literally their team in Draymond Green. They're a tournament team, but look for them to be more like one of those 6-10 seed teams that get bounced in the 1st round than the Magical Izzo Team of Destiny in 2010.
Any reason you stopped at 2002? Because going back the previous 4 years you would add an additional sweet 16 and 3 Final 4s.
Izzo's biggest accomplishment in March is winning the 2nd game of the weekend. He does have a few 1st round exits, but most of his exits are in the 1st game of the weekend (only 3 exits in the 2nd game of the weekend).
But the past week and a half have not been great at all for Sparty!
But.....every single year he has them in the tourney. Also, if he goes out the first round, the next year he follows it up with a deep tourney run - the exception is 2006 and 2007.
No. Your last point.
This MSU squad reminds me of an Amaker Michigan team. Questionable outside shooting. Talented big men who never put it together completely. Turnovers galore. Unlike an Amaker team, they'll probably be on the right side of the bubble since Appling/Harris/Dawson is a better backcourt than Horton/Harris/Abram, but they'll probably only finish 6th or 7th in the Big Ten.
I don't see how you got that from this particular game.
Questionable outside shooting: They were 6-14 from behind the arc (42.9%). Michigan hasn't shot that well since Game 2 (IUPUI)
Turnovers Galore: Not every team can be Michigan. In tonight's game, MSU had a season low 11 Turnovers. That's actually really good for them.
Talented big men who never put it together: You are on the money on this one.
MSU did not play well tonight but i doubt they finish 6th or 7th in the B1G. If there is one thing i've learnt about bball, it's that the success of a team's nonconference schedule DOES NOT directly translate into conference success. Of course a good team will win most of their games on both sides of the schedule but MSU has lost 7 out of their 13 ACCvsB1G games and still has had success.
I was commenting on their season performance to date. They are shooting 30% for 3pt range and have a horrendous 24% (!) turnover pct for the season. Even today's game they had a 20% turnover pct, which I guess is an improvement, but still bad.
I agree. Statistics-to-date paint a not-so-rosy outlook.
I will bump them up in my prediction though. They'll probably finish 5th or 6th. Wisconsin is not a tournament caliber team since they lost Dekker for the year.
I can't quite compare MSU's team to an Amaker team simply because Izzo is a MUCH better coach than Amaker. I so wanted to believe that Amaker could coach a Big 10 team when he arrived in Ann Arbor, but soon learned that he was a good recruiter who was still a very young coach that wasn't quite ready for prime-time.
You mean Gasser, not Dekker. Dekker is their freshman "big man."
Angry midget, use your gun, ball sack, kill zach kill. Do you know what stanley pringle did?
He was just selling hand lotion, man!
Really rooting for that meteor to hit Cameron Indoor right now...Dook v. the Bucknuts...
Rooting for the B1G? Or listening to Jay Bilas' crying if Dook loses?
They dont play defense. They just hack and hack, rolling in yet more mediocre players when the starting mediocre players get into foul trouble. Eventually the officials just fatigue from calling fouls and sparty winds up with the advantage. Against teams with a pulse that just isn't going to do 'er.
is garbage! Are you kidding me? Miami ain't a football OR a basketball school anymore. Back of the bus with them again.
Lol at them for now. Ask all of them and they'll say "the reason we're so much better than scUM is because of Tom Izzo'' Not recognizing Beilein's coaching ability is gonna bite them in the ass just like it did with Hoke. That's not to say Izzo isn't a great coach, but Beilein is going to give him a run for his money.
Also, have they not learned by now that msu never starts out well? They lost to Grand Valley State in an exibition not that long ago but still went to the sweet sixteen.
Yep, that was in 2007, the night before the comeback in Spartan Stadium.
he's owned recruiting in the state since after Michigan got in trouble (note: it's like Michigan has owned the state in football until recently; but re Izzo it's for worse reasons, bc msu football had no punishment in football to put it at a disadvantage). Michigan is back to recruiting at those same levels now, where making the first round is somewhat expected. Msu really needs to get Jabari Parker for 2013 or risk having zero players for 2013.
I love to watch college basketball and played in organized games into my 30s. It's an awesome game; and I've watched Michigan (and kept up with msu) since the mid 80s. I just don't think Izzo coaches a game that develops players very well individually over 4 years. He does coach well in tournament settings though.
I've said it in previous years too: I think Beilein is a better coach, but only time will tell.
His recruiting is also surpassing what Amaker did (which was very good in its own right) notwithstanding it being an issue raised by his early critics.
Calculate what we will or will not tolerate.
Desperate to control all and everything.
Unable to forgive your scarlet lettermen.
I'm gonna say "too soon."
so his %s will either go up, or the shooting mechanics taught at msu are subject to some scrutiny.
[edit: re Keith Appling PG]
I wouldn't say that MSU was mediocre last season. As you say, they tied for the regular season crown and won the B1G Tournament, beating Wisconsin and OSU en route. IMO, that says they were a good team (but certainly not a great one).
I will agree with you, though, that they were overseeded as a #1.
Since I have been saying "Tom Izzo is overrated" since John Beilein actually made him start competing for recruits, and "Tom Izzo's team is garbage" since the Wonders Hall Cover-up, I really don't have anything to add.
Izzo has a way to bore other opponents to death. That team in my opinion is unwatchable.
but saying I'm not sad is an understatement too.
Technically msu's ''run'' has only been since Izzo became coach. They weren't really very good before him.
The Sparty sauce was weak.
And Mgoblog did rejoice.
be returned to its proper order with the Wolverines on top.
Wow. Izzo worshiping college basketball sheep prepare to gasp in disbelief, but Belein is head and shoulders above Izzo as a coach. I'm not sure of the talent, or how it is even quantifiable, on Izzo's team(s) compared to a Belein team before this years loaded team, but I would bet the house on Belein showing he can do a LOT more with a LOT less... Can't wait for this nauseating izzo fever to finally subside. I don't know what it will take.
I just can't help myself that it's finally being exposed, so one more thought. I think a lot of the sheep were won over by the "Magical" run to Detroit and all of the "Maaaagical" things he's "done for our state" but if you look at that team and many of his other deep run/final four teams, even they under-achieved for their talent, and his presumed "dream teams" that have started preseason top 3 that barely sniffed the tourney would have been Belein masterpieces. Just watch though, after Belein hangs another banner or has a top 10 year, and Izzo's 7 seed with 2 seed talent sqeaks by Vermont in the first weekend, Belein will be an after thought in yet another corrination of Izzo's "Maaagical" turnaround "Coach of the Year" performance. About time the best coach in the state get his due... So glad Martin extended him on his farewell tour...
Before we start "crowning" anyone around here.
We're headed in a great direction. But it doesn't mean the downfall of other good programs just because we're good again.
I feel compelled to mention this, but this isn't the first time a Jim Larranaga coached team has upset MSU.