OT: The Official "Tom Izzo's Team Is Garbage" Posbang Thread

Come and knock on my door. My couch is waiting for you.

Pistons won by 40!! Holy Maggette.

2012: Sweet 16

2011: First Round

2010: Final Four

2009: Championship Game

2008: Sweet 16

2007: Second Round

2006: First Round

2005: Final Four

2004: First Round

2003: Elite 8

2002: First Round

While I'm not denying Izzo gets his team into March every year with alarming consistency, the idea that he's been a March Madness god of some sorts seems overblown to me. While 2 Final Fours and a Championship Game appearance is nothing to sneeze it (we would've killed for that over the last 11 years), his teams have fallen short more often than not. That 2010 Final Four was especially lucky as they played the 12 seed, 4 seed (won on last second bucket), 9 seed, and 6 seed. New Mexico State, Maryland (hey!), Northern Iowa, and Tennessee isn't exactly a murderer's row.

Pundits were pushing the "overrated" label on Michigan despite them returning everyone but Novak and Douglas and bringing in 3 Top 100 recruits. State lost a guy who was literally their team in Draymond Green. They're a tournament team, but look for them to be more like one of those 6-10 seed teams that get bounced in the 1st round than the Magical Izzo Team of Destiny in 2010.

This MSU squad reminds me of an Amaker Michigan team. Questionable outside shooting. Talented big men who never put it together completely. Turnovers galore. Unlike an Amaker team, they'll probably be on the right side of the bubble since Appling/Harris/Dawson is a better backcourt than Horton/Harris/Abram, but they'll probably only finish 6th or 7th in the Big Ten.

Angry midget, use your gun, ball sack, kill zach kill. Do you know what stanley pringle did?

Really rooting for that meteor to hit Cameron Indoor right now...Dook v. the Bucknuts...

Rooting for the B1G?  Or listening to Jay Bilas' crying if Dook loses?

They dont play defense.  They just hack and hack, rolling in yet more mediocre players when the starting mediocre players get into foul trouble.  Eventually the officials just fatigue from calling fouls and sparty winds up with the advantage.  Against teams with a pulse that just isn't going to do 'er. 

is garbage! Are you kidding me? Miami ain't a football OR a basketball school anymore. Back of the bus with them again.

see their team is weeeeeak lol

Lol at them for now. Ask all of them and they'll say "the reason we're so much better than scUM is because of Tom Izzo'' Not recognizing Beilein's coaching ability is gonna bite them in the ass just like it did with Hoke. That's not to say Izzo isn't a great coach, but Beilein is going to give him a run for his money.

Also, have they not learned by now that msu never starts out well? They lost to Grand Valley State in an exibition not that long ago but still went to the sweet sixteen.

Calculate what we will or will not tolerate.

Desperate to control all and everything.

Unable to forgive your scarlet lettermen.

I'm gonna say "too soon."

Anyone notice that their star, blue chip PG Harris can't shoot 3s? He at like 20-something % on the year. Meanwhile, over half of Michigan's team is shooting 30% or higher from 3-point land. lol

Izzo is a good coach, obviously, but there are other good coaches as well. Much of his tourney success is attributed to his teams receiving artificially high seeding, which makes your first couple games againt cupcake opponents. Case-in-point: last year, Izzo's team was mediocore and tied Michigan and OSU for the conference title, yet his team gets a one-seed and hence a virtually guaranteed path to the S16, when all 3 teams probably should have been 2-seeds or lower. Then they went onto score the fewest points by a one-seed in tourney history in their elimination game. It's all bullshit. It isn't quite BCS-level bullshit, but its awfully close.

miami. LOL

Since I have been saying "Tom Izzo is overrated" since John Beilein actually made him start competing for recruits, and "Tom Izzo's team is garbage" since the Wonders Hall Cover-up, I really don't have anything to add.

Izzo has a way to bore other opponents to death.  That team in my opinion is unwatchable.

1) This is exactly how Sparty acts when we lose at football.  Our basketball team is legitimately more talented than theirs for the first time in 15 or so years so I know it's hard to act like we've been there before, but let's try.

2) As much as I hate Sparty when we play them, if there was ever a time to pull for them it was last night.  Their ranking has no effect on us at this point given how high we are, but it does effect the overall perception and ratings of the conference.  I would much rather win the conference championship of by far and away the best conference in college basketball than one that is comparable to another (even if the ACC is a damn good conference).

3) Just like we crack on Sparty for having a successful "little run" at football and now it is time for big brother to restore order, we should probably wait until we have a consistent run in basketball before boasting about our greatness.  Izzo has taken very mediocre teams to the Final Four, we merely have a highly ranked talented team very early in the year.

Coffee is for closers.  Let's get to at least one final four before boasting to Sparty.  Makes us look very little brotherly.