I don't see the problem.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
I don't see the problem.
I can see the problem being that - if he made that comment - it is not factual. There were 30 arrests -- not 30 felonies. That's an enormous difference.
In this case I don't really care.
Could that be one of those cases where he exaggerated to make a point?
Plus, he was off the record explaining WHY he doesn't recruit negatively. I see nothing wrong.
If he said that, I think your second point seems to make the most sense in the context of the situation.
That doesn't even sound like the sentence structure Hoke would use to get that message across. I call BS.
That's what I was thinking, it's missing a lot of "wells" and he never says "tremendous." Also, Hoke is always positive when he talks about other institutions, I don't see him changing that, now or ever.
Especially if directed at the media.
BS is holding on line 133.
I don't get it, all you did was post a picture of a scoreboard. oh wait
They took the score down almost immediately after the game was over. I wanted a picture of the score but couldn't get it because I was too busy crying in my buddies arm. By the time I looked up they had that days since we beat Ohio clock ticking down and never showed the score again. You must have a quick trigger finger my friend.
BULL he isnt gonna give that creep any more motivation or bullitein board stuff. If he ever did it would be in his office or home between only ears that would never say anything.
at least publicly. It reminds me of when Mike White was coaching Illinois and bringing in all the jucos. The week before we played them, Bo said: "Illinois has a lot of good players and I understand they have a few more coming in this week." I miss him.
How would this be bulletin board material? What would it do - motivate OSU players to not commit crimes?
Plus, Meyer could always throw Stonum, Cissoko and some others in our face. I still doubt this happened anyway, but coaches (ie. non-SEC coaches) know better to go down that path.
Only Stonum would apply to Hoke
So this imaginary quote attributed to Hoke would've been silly to dredge up since he's at a different school. Both schools are in glass houses when it comes to off the field stuff, so that's one reason why I know none of this stuff was true.
So? Getting into a war of words over off-field stuff is pointless.
Saying something like, "Braxton Miller sucks and will never beat us," now that would be bulletin board material.
I would have said more than that just on instinct
It's not in keeping with Hoke's character. I don't believe this. Just don't.
It's just not something Hoke would say, he's got too much class for that.
You know, it seems to me that ohio fans just try to glum on to anything they can to either make fun of his weight, which is not as bad as they make it out to be or made up bulletin board stuff cause they see what Hoke is all about and it scares the hell out of them but they would never admit.
is it something Hoke would have "too much class for"? A line that is "just not something that Hoke would say"?
Made that shit up, no way hoke said that. I, on the other hand, say that all the time...
Probably bullshit. Doesn't sound like something Hoke would say for a variety of reasons, and it's a secondhand source given to a columbus station. Even if he actually said it, it was to boosters so it can be excused, and he's not exactly wrong about it.
It would be unwise for Urban to pick a fight with Hoke. It's evident that Hoke has earned the respect of his coaching peers in the B10. Conversely, Urban has already alienated himself by pissing off two of the more prominant coaching staffs in the conference. It wouldn't take a stretch of imagination to see this becoming 1 on 11 after everyone takes sides.
I don't know either. But they must be green with envy at all the crap Meyer is doing to them,
Somebody (MGoBlog) had to have been there. I think they had something like 125 people there.
Now, there was another U-M Club of Greater Detroit luncheon at the DAC on Valentine's Day with Jeff Hecklinski and Chris Singletary; I couldn't make that one either. (Limited to the first 80 reservations.) I wonder if they are mixing up Hoke and Hecklinski?
I may just call them from work tomorrow...
Yeah, he's not going to mention it to the players and negatively recruit. WHo cares if he said it to a room full of coaches?
As soon as he wrote "I did not hear this directly" he should have stopped right there. You heard this from someone that posts on your board? Really? One source. Unless I hear this from other sources, I will also call BS.
I came across this earlier over on 247, a poster over there says he was in attendance reported the same thing. Personally, I love it.
Ok, so it was in response to Meyer taking a shot at UM's academics (lol), in which case awesome. I'm sure it got some laughs, it was not uncalled for, and he's right, after all. He would never say this to the press, or to a recruit, so I don't see much wrong with it.
Also, cool tactic by forcing the players to wear red after a low-effort practice. Reminiscent of Bo.
...having fun with this. Ten denials that Hoke would ever say such a thing, followed by confirmation, followed by, 'Of course Hoke said it! Why wouldn't he say it? Meyer deserved it!'
"You mean Ohio?" - Coach Hoke
Don't fight the hivemind, just relax and go with it man. Meyer does deserve it. Oh, and it's Ohio.
Ah, as you can see... many MGoBloggers were trained at the Huge Chavez School of Editors.
No one likes honesty if it isn't the truth.
Yes, he's the younger brother of Hugo Chavez.
Section 1, you really kill a lot of your good points with general attitude. I respect that you're an educated guy with a broad and critical perspective, but I wonder if you realize how much more impact you could have by removing the douche-ness from your posts.
Oh nooo the fine people over at Bucknuts or wherever the hell they congregate won't think we're cooooool.
If he did then I am glad he did. DooshUrban calls out Michigan academics, Brady and anyone with the university can call his ass out for his sketchy past...my god I hate this guy so much, more so than Tressel
From the thread title I assumed Coach Hoke had "allegedly" crop-dusted Meyer at some coaches convention. The actual non-story is way less entertaining.
At first I thought it said "ripped an Urban Meyer" and I figured we had come up with a new name for farting
...smells like farts.
I kind of like it.
I was fortunate enough to know someone that let me tag a long with them this morning. I personally took no offense to this. Someone asked the question to Hoke if he heard about the poster Meyer had made comparing Michigan FB players vs Ohio's FB players majors. Hoke fired back a response. No harm No Foul. He was a lot of things today. This was supposed to be a private off the record affair but as the moderator tolk Brady this is off the record today he responded " yeah sure it is". He knew stuff would get out. I did not think it was a big deal at all and actually it was quite funny.
Not a big deal. As Levenberry said, Hoke is respected because he is like a father figure. On the other hand, Meyer is more like an irresponsible uncle that some of the kids like because he buys them beer. With Tressel OSU could at least pretend that they had integrity. By hiring Meyer they have basically stopped propping up the facade of respectability and openly committed to the principle that wins are all that matters. I don't see anything wrong with putting that out there for people to see.
"I'm not going to mention the FIVE HOOKERS that CRAIG JAMES killed at SMU."
Haha I came here to say this.
That Craig James killed five hookers at SMU?
that Craig James killed five hookers at SMU.
Ha! Five? Craig could do five over a long weekend...
The Spoon got to box one time at the Detroit Athletic Club while a young man. I found it an awesome experience. You could hear the bets for/against you coming in from the tables in the crowd. Quite the motivational tool.
Those are fantastic; back in the day, we could smoke cigars in there too. It was like living a George Bellows painting.
What the hell is wrong with that? Unlike OSU, we don't have to be dishonest about our academics or those of our opponent.
God what a non-issue. "Your coach said something mean about our coach." Get a fucking life.
The red shirts for the team for slacking off during a run was classic. I asked about the #1 Jersey and he said that when it's EARNED he would give it out.
You were there? Can you confirm said statement? Also, was there any other cool questions/responses?
But it was no big deal. Hoke didn't start it he's just finishing it. Hoke said this in a room full of adults responding to a question. I think the people on here that don't beleive he said it are reading too much into it. It would be different if he was saying that to negatively recruit but he's not.
Upon Further Review (see what I did there lolol): the genius part of all this is that if Buckeyes want to spread this rumor around, they'll have to regurgitate the bit about 30+ arrests at Florida under Urban Meyer. I don't see Coach Hoke being *quite* that Machiavellian, but his poop is more magical and more golden than Tywin Lannister.
It's entire possible that Hoke said it to the boosters off the record and then hypnotically pointed at one of them to subliminally compel him to tattle to the O-zone and twistBuckeye Nation's collective panties into a slightly yellowed and moldy wad.
Good point. All that sticks in my head is "30 arrests in five years" under Urban Meyer. I forget what the rest of it was about.
If Hoke said it, good for him. Don't start no stuff won't be no stuff! I think Urbie started some stuff
I was listening to Sirius college radio about 9:45 this morning (looks like the host was Mark Packer according to their website--I don't listen regularly enough to know him) and the host was ragging on OSU and laughing at Meyer for how weak the claims about academics are and how Hoke must be in Meyer's head to prompt Meyer to come up with something like that.
...I place some blame on Jim Harbaugh. I still think that the weird (and basically invalid) emphasis on "General Studies" telegraphed that somebody in Columbus was fixated on Harbaugh's old quote from his Stanford days.
"Hell, no!" Jim. Enjoy the NFL.
I dont like JH, but i dont think its his fault. Urban wanted to take a shot at us and he took a shot at the core of the University. You know what, if Urban wants war, lets give it to him. If I was Hoke I would bring up our school rankings and highlight it on any piece of paper.
They have the same number of guys in Communications and Family Resource Management as we have in General Studies. Are they all that different? I like how the sign cleverly left out the 96 kids majoring in spelunking or whatever the hell that one major is. When you have 8 smart walk-ons and 55 undeclared upperclassmen, it's not worth bragging about.
The OSU Football sign was dumb. It is dumb to focus on majors at all as a measure of academic demands or academic performance. It is dumb to focus on Michigan's Bachelor of General Studies degree program as somehow being lax or pointless. It was dumb, I think, to try to hold OSU's listing of declared majors over and above Michigan's list.
And, it was dumb for Jim Harbaugh to have said that a Michigan BGS degree wasn't a real degree. I know that my brother's BGS degree got him into Wayne State's Medical School, then Northwestern's residency program, then a fellowship at the University of Michigan Medical Center.
True, Dumb for JH to say it but Urban is using it. Urban wants to play with grades let him. He would like like all the puss he will find underneath the band aid.
No clue why this was downvoted for trolling. I agree with you. BGS got my friend a PhD at Harvard. Got another one of my friends a MD at UM. The list can go on. The OSU sign is pointless. And I don't know what Jim Harbaugh's issue at the time was either. Not many football teams (if any) have a team with a majority of physics majors and engineering students and pre-med students. And on the flip side, not many football teams represent one of the best public institutions in the country (ranked by non-football people).
True, my wife in an attorney and one of the more prominent attorneys she works with is a guy with a BGS from UM and a law degree from somewhere impressive (school is slipping my mind, maybe UCLA?). Either way, it's a dumb knock to make.
I love being a fan. First reaction: "No way Hoke says something like that!" Second reaction: "Yeah he said it! And there's more where that came from! You want a piece of this?"
Honestly,what is the big deal? It wasn't said to a group of Ohio high school coaches. And it isn't as if he mentioned anything about Meyer's supposed extramarital activities!
I'm surprised there's so many on this board calling bs on this. Maybe it's not true; maybe it's exaggerated; maybe it's garbled; maybe none of it happened. I don't care. Fuck Meyer, and fuck Ohio. Arrests at Florida are a fact. Ohio < U of M is a fact. I'm not even going to engage them in a conversation on this.
I am ok either way. I think if he did say something, it is marginally a mistake, but most coaches will say things that are construed to be mistakes. Coach is allowed that once in a while, he isnt perfect.
I think the academic issue brought by Ohio has really pissed him off. And I agree with Coach. Urban you want to take the gloves off, lets go.
I dont give a damn about the Ozone
Brady Hoke, master of praeterition. He's just full of surprises.
Who gives a shit?
I don't believe Hoke said that. But, if he did. Sweet. He can talk all the shit he wants. I'll back him. Go ahead Coach! Talk the talk. walk the walk.
If hoke said it, I imagine that he said it something like this:
Weeeeel, I don't believe in negatively recruiting, so I don't go on the trial and tell kids, ya know, that he last program that old urbie was at had thirty arrests in 5 years. And I dont tell kids that he is a tremendous douchebag. That's not my style. Come on, this is Michigan fergodsake.
Funny watching them fume and squirm at the same time. One poster asked, "It wasn't 30 felonies, was it?" Another one dug into the statistics: 31 arrests, several of which were alcohol misdemeanors and 12 of which were dropped. Okay. So many of them were not of the MIP type? For the "record:"
My favorite is Ronnie Wilson -- reinstated after having been charged with a firearm felony and serving a one year suspension; finally dismissed for good after his 3rd arrest.
But the best they can come up with is that Brady Hoke is fat and sounds stupid and will rue the day. What-the-fuck-ever, Buckeyes.
Compare to Hoke's handling of the Stonum situation, who had the potential to be our best receiver. First offense gets a year suspension and second offense he's gone. Also compare Meyer showing a bullshit breakdown of concentrations to recruits with Hoke cracking a joke to a private gathering of Michigan supporters, not press, not recruits. Those idiots make a living projecting all their insecurities and bad behavior onto us with zero evidence. I even saw them talking last week about how we were obviously paying these recruits we're getting. Long term memory isn't that valuable to an explorer I guess. It's not worth arguing with them.
Do you really know what Meyer's involvement was in the sign that was photographed in the Woody Hayes Center? I'm just asking. I have written here and elsewhere that I presumed that it was done at Meyer's direction, or with his approval. But I always qualified that, saying that I didn't know, and was only presuming.
Comparing apples to apples, Michigan/Hoke's handling of Stonum was slightly more lenient, but mostly the same, as Meyer's handling of Jaamal Berry.
I gotta say, these sorts of threads disappoint me. The MGoBoard membership makes itself sound more like the 97.1 listenership, than a grad school class in the Rackham Building.
Whether it was Meyer or someone else, he is responsible. He is the head football coach. They are talking about football, doesnt matter whether he knowingly did it or not. Its there and he is responsible.
Jaamal Berry already had two separate assualt cases in the course of the year, and had been suspended before Meyer came on. I'm not one to minimize the seriousness of drunk driving, but I don't think you can say this is an apples to apples comparison. Certainly, with regard to impact on each team's depth chart, there is no comparison at all. Berry was a perpetual disappointment at RB, and Meyer had to clear some space for his recruiting class. Stonum was the best player in his position group, and his departure leaves a big, big hole in our downfield passing game. Your comparison is complete bullshit, much like the OSU sign.
I know there's a minority here who think they get some kind of Rationalism Merit Badge for always being contrarian when it comes to criticizing Ohio State (or MSU.) Apparently you're one of them.
I'll bet you were one of the guys who always defended Tressel and said that any suspicion of his ethics was tantamount to the sorriest of sourt grapes.
At least admit that a comparison of Stonum to Berry is a better comparison than Stonum to... a photo of a poster?!?
I'm sorry I couldn't come up with a same-position player-of-equal-need such that we could trade them on our Fantasy College Football Criminal teams.
Jaamal Berry looked very good and very promising to me in their spring game last year, but in saying that I am of course starting the trip down your rabbit-hole of irrelevance.
Stonum and Berry; both repeat arrests, both suspended by the prior regime, both screwups after fair warning. Both reluctantly dismissed by the new guy(s). Stonum actually had more violations (citations plus parole violations) than Berry's two Columbus arrests for assaults. But all this proves is how closely comparable the two cases are. That's a real comparison, not the phony 'compare Stonum to Meyer and his sign' nonsense that I originally responded to.
I'm not sure of what you speak when you suggest that I am "one of them." But I kind of like it. Whatever you are imagining, I am guessing that I am indeed "one of them."
To solve the riddle of "one of them," look to the sentence immediately preceding the sentence containing the phrase "one of them."
I should have been clearer.
And yes; I am laughing at and ridiculing the people who started out denying that Hoke would have ever said such an uncharacteristic and classless thing, and then turned on a dime and congratulated Hoke for givin' it to Urban Meyer just like Meyer deserves.
And I am laughing at all of the same people who would be up in arms if Meyer had said a remotely similar thing about Hoke, and who would have been factchecking all the details.
I am "one of them," and I couldn't care less about any merit badges.
Yeah, well Mattison was the coach for 1/3 of the team. And it totally absolves the head coach. If he meant that line then Urban is not in control of the team. Dumb statement.
That was the attitude of a good portion of the blog with regards to RR's responsibility of our defense.
Exactly, I was a RR supporter but he is the head coach, he is responsible for all.
Its amusing, to say the least, to pass the buck to the DC. Cause we all know that DC's are the final arbiters of team discipline. Might as well pass the other blame to the OC, so that none of it can lie with the HC.
And what sorry assed attempt to try to throw the man under the bus that not only helped coach his team to one of his MNC's, he was also an intergral part of Tebow's recruitment. No surprise here, it's just another glowing example his lack of integrity, and another cheesy attempt to pander to his fanbase. He and Ohio deserve each other. Cooper 2.0 anyone?
Amidst all of your running pronouns, I gather that you think that Meyer was claiming that most of the Florida arrests were occurring on Mattison's side of the ball, as it were. Have I got that right? Is that what you mean when you wrote:
"...it's just another glowing example his lack of integrity, and another cheesy attempt to pander to his fanbase. He and Ohio deserve each other."
So you are saying that Meyer's lack of integrity is shown by his throwing Mattison under the bus? I don't get it. Has Meyer ever once commented on 1) the Hayes Center "undergraduate major" sign; 2) Hoke's (erroneous? transcript needed) comment about Florida felonies or 3) Greg Mattison's responsibility for any lack of control at Florida?
As far as I know, Meyer hasn't commented about any of those things. At least not at this time.
If I remember correctly I think that was a personal question and wasn't a public question. I read earlier that someone was 1 on 1 with him(a fan) and that was his response, and that it wasn't an answer to the media. I could be wrong though.
It's just made up. They are trying to get clicks, calls, whatever. Expect more of this. Brady Hoke is a hard guy to hate or even dislike, people have to just make things up to villify him.
What was made up? Why do you think it was made up? Who made it up?
I guaruntee they were criticizing the shit out of Urban while he was at florida. Now he comes up here and it's HOKE IS A FAT MORAN AHHHH HE HAS DONE NOTHING IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL URBAN'S GONNA STOMP HIM!!!!!1!
Wow. Who knew Michigan had something in common with Ohio.
At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is which team wins that game. We can spend the next 9 months with the fat jokes or the "snake oil douchebag" comments or the "morally corrupt individual" comments- but it's the winning that counts.
Probably not the best thing Hoke ever said, but the truth hurts sometimes. At least it's more valid a criticism than "Hey Michigan, your school sucks academically".
This is hard; because we don't have an actual transcript of Hoke. But if Hoke suggested "30 felonies" at Florida, that is not just wrong, that's crazy-stupid-Rosenberg-exaggeration-wrong. 30 felonies? Srsly?
And here's another thought-experiment. Suppose Rich Rodriguez had said something like this (he never did; Rodriguez and Tressel were apparently consummate gentlemen and collegial in dealing with each other); how long do you suppose it woujld have been before the Freep started running stories about Rodriguez's widly wrong misstatement of fact?
Of course you have to comment about Rodriguez and the Free Press. Obviously.
What difference does it make what the Free Press might have said about Rodriguez if he'd said something similar? What is the point of your thought experiment?
By the way, shouldn't you be reading the Tuscon Daily Cactus looking for negative references to Rodriguez?
Whether Mark Snyder or Shawn Windsor or another staffer does anything with the Hoke-at-the-DAC story. I'd have doubted it, unless they had a reporter there, because they'd have to confirm the quote through at least two sources, etc.
Then again, as we all know the Free Press virtually lives off of Michigan football. Nothing sells page-hits like 'Michigan football controversy.'
Whether they touch the story might depend on whether they think the Brady Hoke honeymoon is over. Because from a journalist's standpoint, the real story is that Hoke grossly misstated the Florida record (oh, and Mattison was there at the time). So I kind of doubt that the Free Press is going to call Hoke out on that subject; they are still trying to get themselves back in good graces with with Michigan Athletic Department.
"30 felonies" is what the guy at Ozone who heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy said.
Here's a quote from someone at the event:
'Someone asked if he saw the recruiting tactics that Urban implemented regarding the college majors for the players at each university, and he responded "we dont recruit negatively, I'm not going to mention the 30 arrests and some felonies in 5 years that happened at Florida."'
Accuracy is the best place to start. And if there is any doubt about the quote, I expect that (now) the Freep would tread carefully. They haven't always.
That's an interesting comment coming from you.
After posting the original story, the OP on 247 has since admitted to "paraphrasing" and even misquoting Hoke's comments. He has retracted and revised "30 felonies" four times now.
Yet you press on under the falsehood that the OP's original post was a direct quote. "From a journalist's standpoint, the real story is that Hoke grossly misstated the Florida record."
Fascinating. And wrong. Because he didn't.
It almost sounds like you're intentionally trying to pillory the Michigan head football coach behind a phony guise of journalism.
It reminds me of something. I can't quite put my finger on it.
To conclude, in your own words: I don't understand why assclowns like you still post gibberish like this. Don't reply; I am not wasting my time on you.
I was afraid that I may be encountering some critical examination from "Cornelius Buttcheeks."
Dear Mr. Buttcheeks,
In my own defense I'd just like to point out that I think i have been about 1000% more careful in my choice of words and more circumspect than the other fanboyz in this thread.
With the greatest respect and all due deference, I remain your humble servant,
Stop arguing with someone that is still bitter over the Rodriguez firing/Hoke hiring. They're trying to be a one man Hoke-FREEP machine and just luring people into arguments.
What are the sources on this? Some guy from 24/7 and a secondhand story from O-zone?
that sentence is trashing Urban they have more serious issues than we thought.
.....its true he was on Urbans staff, but lets give Mattison a few years at Michigan and see how many arrests accumulate under this staff in Ann Arbor. I think we will soon find out this is a Urban problem and not a Mattison problem.
and there are no more and no fewer arrests, convictions, indictments, etc. at Ohio State than at Michigan? Do you then acknowledge that it was something other than Meyer? A "Florida problem"? An "SEC problem"? A "southern problem"?
We're debating academics between ohio and UM? Yeah, I'll take that debate any day--and I'll compare a UM GS degree with anything ohio has. This is a fight Urban never should have started.
Now Hoke has apparently moved the debate to one of character and institutional control. We can have that debate too.
If I'm a recruit, it probably doesn't help to see a foodfight between the two universities--ends up lowering my estimation of both of them. But really, how many recruits are going to decide based on this? Very few that we would want, I'm thinking. I don't think it's probably the most prudent comment Hoke ever made, but it was in a relatively private atmosphere, and if this is the worst thing he ever says, I'm a happy fan.
If I'm a recruit, it probably doesn't help to see a foodfight between the two universities--ends up lowering my estimation of both of them.
Best comment in this entire thread.
F*ck Urban, f*ck OSU and f*ck 97.1 the fan. The mid-day guys and the evening guys are the worst. Seriously, they should be embarrassed by how little they actually know. When Bruce Hooley was the best thing you had going for you then you know your station sucks. And poor old Bruce got run out of town for calling it like it was when St. Tress was messing up.
@Mgotrey - agreed! Which one would you say is the biggest tool? My money's on Dimitrious Stanley. Just listening to him makes me stupider.
Beause F Ohio that's why.