OT: NSFW (put on your headphones) - Woman goes off on Airline Personnel and Air Marshals
Recently have seen quite a few well-publicized rants that have gone viral (e.g. Dunkin' Donuts lady - Detroit).
Came across this story where a woman was kicked off a plane for refusing to turn off her cell phone. Air Marshals soon got involved and the woman was dragged off the plane in front of her son.
Interesting to me is (1) the sense of entitlement people seem to have thinking they can do whatever they want, and (2) the prevalence of social media and public shaming associated with the results of (1) above.
Anyone have any PERSONAL experiences with someone going off like this?
Lots of cursing, hence the NSFW in Title - otherwise it's ok.
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Seems like a really nice lady.
I wonder if she's single...her demeanor and obvious parenting skills make her a great catch!
i would've started the chant-
SEE-YOU- LATER clap, clap, clap,clap clap..
The as she's walking out. left, right, left, right, left-
The stupiest thing about the video is the mother is acting like a complete idiot , fighting with air marshals and refusing to get off the plane after being told 20-30 times to do so. They told her get off or she would be arrested and she still refused. The officers arrest her and the woman acrossed the isle is saying "not in front of her little boy" and be careful of the little boy. obviously the mother could careless about what her son sees and hears since she is cussing up a strom and one passenger and refusing to comply with what the officer and the flight attendants have asked her.
If you listen closely you can hear her say " I'm college educated, Go Staee"
It all comes down to folks not taking responsibility for their own actions and acting all butt hurt and offended when they get called on it
i'm torn..
on one hand, she really didn't do anything wrong. not wanting people that she feels don't have the right to touch her doesn't seem off. woman cop seemed to be taunting her. if the only thing she did was maybe be on her cell too long at take-off or whatever, i guess i could see even myself being a little beligerent depending on how it went down.
on the other hand, if i'm sitting in a row beside her, and i'm just trying to get a damn flight over with, i'm also pretty sure i would have at some point walked right up and said, 'if you don't either comply with them or calm the fuck down, i'm going to put you in the cuffs myself' and then nodded at the male cop and we would have used "guy strength" and gotten her the fuck up out of there.
moral of the story: if you're going to be obvlivious, don't be rude. if you're going to be rude, eventually stop being rude.
Was there supposed to be a link?
I see the vid now.
couldn't get the embed working in the original post for some reason even though I saw the Red box with iFrame.
No link?
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airplane rage = getting angry at other passengers that don't turn off their electronic devices after I have ....guilty (nothing violent just frustration)
People are dumb.
and can't believe she did that in front of her toddler son...
Am not an electronics guy, but friends in the airline industry inform me that near or current technology will allow cell phones to safely be used on aircraft in near future PHYSICALLY. There have even been initial discussion between the fed and airlines towards the ban removal. HOWEVER, the current sticky point is not safety but rather customer service issues the airlines would have dealing with 20, 40, plus passengers all engrossed in their phone conversations surrounded by others within a limited, confined aircraft cabin. Imagine sitting within a gaggle of teens all discussing their latest relationship issues while trying to wind down on a coast-coast flight; or someone so engrossed dropping F-bombs constantly near your kids.
You might be right about what's causing the current delay, but it's not really as if new technology was required to address safety concerns. The FAA's excuses for the device ban vary, and sometimes include safety considerations, but there are no verified safety issues. One problem is that every time they specify what the safety considerations are, somebody who understands something about science pipes up and explains why the concerns are bunkum.
The issue with electronic devices & safety isn't so much for technical reasons but, rather, take-off & landing are the two most likely times of an accident and they want people paying attention to what's happening in case of an emergency landing.
So then books are banned too right? As is putting a mask over your face and going to sleep? They haven't given a single good reason why electronic devices should ever be banned on an airplane.
Just chiming in to say 100% YES. This is one of my pet peeves.
It is perfectly safe, electronically speaking, to use a mobile phone on a plane.
I hate, hate, hate that the FAA and others lie, implicitly or explicitly, about this so-called safety issue. I hate, hate, hate, hate (that's right, I hate it even more) that people have been screwed by the education system out of a real education that would let them understand how ridiculous the FAA's (sometimes tacit) claims are.
They'd probably be texting. I'm 25 and I NEVER call anyone unless I absolutely have to have an answer to something within the next few moments. Rest assured they will be off your lawn. As far as F-bombs go, if I have to listen to your snot nosed brat cry on a red eye or be annoying as all hell in some other fashion, be prepared to hear some F-bombs. Give them some kids Benadryl and knock them out for the sake of the other passengers. Fat people on planes are also awful. I can go on and on about what would be worse. Do you expect people just to shut up and not talk to the person next to them? That's equally as distracting. Your post makes no sense and sounds like some shit boomer complaints about technology and kids these days type BS.
Let me first say that apparently in Canada we have some of the highest costs for airline tickets in the world. If I am paying 2000.00 for a flight I have a certain feeling of entitlement when I travel and quite honestly, what I expect is rarely what I get. The service is almost always subpar, the food is horrible and I am always left with the feeling that I didn't come close to getting what I paid for.
In my practice I have found that when I try to get away with simply telling patients what they have to do without actually giving them some justification or rationale for my prescribed treatments I often find they don't follow through. When I take the time to go thoroughly through the reason why those things are important the success is improved 100 times.
My point is that perhaps if airlines did a better job of explaining to people why it's important NOT to use your cellphones on airplanes (if it really IS important, because honestly, I'm not sure it is) then perhaps their customers would be more cooperative in terms of following the rules. That's just my 2 cents.
My point is that perhaps if airlines did a better job of explaining to people why it's important NOT to use your cellphones on airplanes (if it really IS important, because honestly, I'm not sure it is) then perhaps their customers would be more cooperative in terms of following the rules. That's just my 2 cents.I can't comment on your personal experiences with air travel, but every flight I've ever taken, the attendant always states that use of electronic devices during take-off and landing can affect the aircraft's electronic communication and navigation systems; which is why they need to be turned off. Granted, most people never bother to pay attention to the pre-flight instructions, but I think the airlines explain themselves more than adequately.
I am one of those clowns that is too busy trying to send that last email to hear what the people are saying during pre-flight instructions. I still have to question though....does it really impact anything or is that just their way of trying to get people to do it. That's a genuine question as I have no idea.
Well, my field of study was Mechanical Engineering, not Electrical Engineering, so I'm probably not the best authority on this topic. Still, I will point out that electronic systems can be disrupted by other EM radiation sources. Cell phones put out a signal that can be detected by a cell tower or WiFi node a couple of miles away. The signal power of any given cell phone is pretty low and probably not a problem unto itself, but if an aircraft with 250 people onboard, all using some kind of eletronic device, the problem compounds pretty quickly. Hence the airlines policy.
That said, there are probably dozens of MGoEEs out there that can answer your question better and more definitively than I have.
Edit: deleted. Misunderstood the point you were making.
My good friend is a pilot. I asked him about this and he told me that if someone leaves their phone on, he knows because he'll hear small disturbances on the radio. That alone isn't the problem - but when all 200 or so passengers leave their phones on, yeah, it would interfere with communications in a significant way.
They usually suggest the problem is electro-magnetic inteference, but it's just not additive in the way you're presupposing. If it's something more specific to cell phone signals, then kicking them into airplane mode should solve it, and other devices (like e-readers) should already be exempted.
Google is your friend. Google this topic and not only will you see that this very regulation is up for review/revoke this fall, but that most airlines now equip Captains and First Officer's with iPads (both cellular radio and wifi equipped) to use for their Flight Manuals.
If it's that dangerous, why give the pilots of the aircraft a tool that explicitly allows them to create said danger?
While it may be true that 200+ people with cellular radios can cause a small amount of radio interference, it doesnt answer the question of why all portable electronics need to be 'turned off and stowed away' during takeoff. Why would cellular OEM's produce phones with an Airplane Mode if it was just as dangerous in Airplane Mode than in Cellular Mode?
Common sense people. I never turn my cellphone off and when others ask me to, i ignore them or tell them to shut up.
When people ask you to obey the law, you tell them to shut up? Very classy.
You've never heard the familiar buzzing or chirping in the radio that you'll get when cell phone signals are coming in? At my work we usually have the radio going and we can always tell when someone's phone is about to go off because there will be some interferance in the radio signal
Very reasonable to think that it might happen to pilot's radios as well
Is there a cut-scene in Family Guy where Quagmire suddenly crashes a plane because of a little static in his radio? There needs to be.
If the airlines wants you to turn off your cell phone during take off and landings it doesn't matter if their reason is legit or not, do it or don't fly.
It's like no shoes, no shirt, no service. It's not illegal to not wear shoes or a shirt but companies have the right to refuse service. If you don't like the rules then drive, take a train, a boat or take a greyhound.
The rules in question are in large part governmental regulations. I don't think it's political to say that people have an interest in sensible regulation, and that civil disobedience is a pretty time-honored American tactic.
Full disclosure: With one exception 3 years ago, I have not flown for domestic trips in roughly 5 years out of principle. In retrospect civil disobedience might have been less costly than putting 40,000 extra miles on my car.
of situations like this. I worked at the Post Office in downtown Flint and have first hand experience of the "entitlement attitude" so many people, especially the younger generation, have now a days. It's unfortunate that proper values and respect seem to get lost in todays society.
Out of curiosity...Where are you going that it costs $2000 CN ($1,902.41 US)? International flights?
That is a domestic flight I just took to B.C. for a conference. I live in Nova Scotia, so it is as long as an international flight to the U.K., but it was domestic.
Maybe it was last minute for you, but I got a 1100 USD round trip from Seoul to Flint. International always has extra fees as well. Even last minute, I'm sure there were plenty of flights that cost a lot less than 2000. What did you use to search?
I should mention my flight has some shitty layovers, which is why it's so cheap. Still, even a direct round trip direct flight from Seoul to Detroit you can get for less than 2000.
Because of a lack of competition Canada has some of the most expensive airline ticket costs in the world, so your experience really doesn't shed much light as to how much I would pay in Canada. I didn't fly first class and I didn't fly at the last minute. I will say that I didn't really shop around a whole lot because the cost was paid for by a drug company. The point is reall just that we pay a lot to fly (whether here in Canada or anywhere else in the world) so a little background as to why we shouldn't use our electronics during a flight wouldn't be too much to ask. And if there isn't a good reason for not using them, then maybe airlines should just give it up.
before you have purchased your ticket and boarded the plane. At that point, you have tacitly agreed to whatever rules are in place.
Deciding the rules don''t apply to you, or that you need to be treated as a special snowflake is exactly why we have this video to watch. The fact that you paid a lot for your ticket really has nothing to do with the situation.
My points got a little muddled in my post, but I actually had two that were distinct from one another.
One point was the use of cell phones. To that point I felt that it would be a good idea for airlines to openly provide the information they have that suggests that cellphone use (or that of other electronic devices) is detrimental in some way to the safety of those on board. An honest reason reason that could be put forward for people to debate and potentially poke holes in or deem to be sufficient would go along way in getting people to buy into the practice.
The other point was that of a feeling of being entitled. That was where the price of an airline ticket came into play,m as I have never felt that I have received my money's worth in terms of the service that has been provided by the airline.
I hope that clears it up a bit, but if not we can continue the debate further.
The rules in the US belong to the FAA. They are not the airline's rules. Further, I don't want "people" debating this, nor do I want airlines enforcing capricious rules. I want the regulatory agencies to consult with experts and provide rules or guidelines. I assume they have done that, therefore the reason is out there and honest (at least in a perfect world). We also know that the restrictions have been relaxed over time, and that they are under review as we speak.
Note - if the airlines in Canada each make up their own rules, I withdraw this and you are on your own.
It still sounds to me like you are asking for a personalized solution.
The government in Canada has proven time and again that you can't really trust everything they say and a more transparent method would be what I'd like to see. I know not everyone is as inquisitive as I am and probably don't care. Many may feel like "this is a rule and that's good enough for me". For me that has just never been the case.
I don't see a problem with a legislative body having some sort of a forum where people could go to find what the rules are and what the rationale behind the rule is. If there was expert advice that lead to it, provide that. These things aren't hard to do.
Honestly now, in years past there was a law on the books in Canada that if a person could be proven an imbecile they were ordered to be sterilized. That's one of thousands of laws that, over time, have changed because people didn't merely accept that rules were rules and if they were there, there must be a darn good reason for them.
As to your last sentence...I'm not exactly sure what you mean.
I thought you said that you didn't care about the price, since it was paid by a drug company? If so how can you say you did not get your money's worth?
Dude, come on...That was one ticket. Every time I travel I don't get reimbursed. That was just an example of the prices we pay in Canada for air travel. I fly at my own expense on average about 3 times per year so I think I'm entitled to gripe about prices even if I get reimbursed when flying in my professional life.
I'm sorry, it sounded like you were commenting about a specific flight which cost $2000, then later you admitted that the flight was paid for by someone else. I'm not sure what I am missing here. You are certainly entitlted to gripe about the cost of air travel, I not suggesting that you are not. However the cost of air travel has nothing to do with use of personal electronics on board.
As I stated in another post, unfortunately my post got a little muddled and I actually had two points that were distinct from one another. One was that I could sympathize with frequent fliers who had a sense of entitlement because it costs so damn much to fly (at least here in Canada it does).
The second point was that if airlines (or the FAA) want to ban cell phones on planes they should provide the reason to the customers. Not because it their legal obligation or anything like that; but because lots of people are very attached to those things and a little information might help in people complying with the rule. Also, incidents like this would likely become much less frequent (this is assuming there is a REAL reason for not using your cell phone during air travel).
So to finish, I will apologize to you as well as it was the manner in which I posted that caused you to misinterpret my point, so sorry for the muddled mess I made of it.
I find it interesting that the person filming it didn't really point it directly at the unruly passenger, which was probably a good idea. If she'd known she probably would have been a LOT worse than she was. Bad enough already, but knowing you were about to be shown all over the internets would have put her completely over the edge.
You know what is really offensive? People who take vertical videos with their phone.