Columbus is waiting to see what happens with parise. Thats all I've been able to find regarding that.
OT- NHL Free Agency Day 2 Open Thread
Last night I heard that Suter had the Wings as his leader, hopefully he pulls the trigger soon.
Only thing I seen this morning on Nash was from Pierre Lebrun. http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/18094/rumblings-where-will-parise-...
Basically saying after Parise signs somewhere the Nash talks will start to heat up and if the Wings don't land Parise they are in it for Nash.
From everything I read, it sounds like the Wings don't like their chances with Parise (sounds like Pitt is his leader) & sounds like we lead for Suter. Nash's contract has a high cap hit, but I love him as a player. Dude is big & so skilled, something we could really use. I'd like to see us ship some players that are a little older & production slipping (Cleary, etc - He's a good player, but not worth $3mil & injury prone - Columbus can use players like him) so some younger guys can break the lineup who are also cheaper. Also wouldn't mind seeing Kindl thrown in, guy really hasn't shown me much at all & would like to see Brendan Smith in lineup permanently. Would be fired up to get Suter & Nash/Parise.
Sounds like Suter/Parise are making decision today, so we'll know soon.
For a minute that Columbus views players like cleary and kindl the same way you do. Why on earth, then, would they trade their best player for them?
Because people from Ohio haz no smartys?
Because Columbus does not have nearly the same lineup/depth as Detroit. One player cannot carry an entire hockey team and Nash leaving would free up a lot of money for them to sign quality, core players a la the Kings.
Exactly - We view Cleary as a 3rd/4th line role player. Columbus would view him as a Top 6 forward who otherwise wouldn't got to Columbus. Not saying Cleary alone would land Rick Nash, it would take him, Kindle, a pick, another Cleary type role player & probably 2 young players. I want to see the Wings rid some of their expensive veteran role players & infuse youngsters into the lineup. It would help the salary cap & your Drew Millers are more productive & healthy than Cleary. Like Hudler, he had a good year scoring goals but is such a one dimensional player. His +/- isn't great, all he plays on is the power play & with some really good Top 6 forwards that get most of the attention from the opposing players defense. I think the Wings have some players who hold value, but we would be better suited trading these types for a Nash & letting the Nyquists fill the 3rd/4th line. It's probably a pipe dream, but would love Nash. Wouldn't mind Bobby Ryan either.
I wish Hudler's contract didn't expire this year so we could use him as trade bait. I wouldn't have a problem with giving up a combination of Franzen, Kindl, Bertuzzi, and Miller along with a few prospects and draft picks if it lands us Nash or Ryan. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are about to exit their primes and we don't have anybody to replace their offensive contributions, let alone bring the added value of them being great 2-way forwards.
Completely agree on all of those guys. I love Bert, but to get Nash I'd do it without thinking. Franzen is injury prone & disappears for stretches every year. I know people will freak out, but I wouldn't hesitate to trade Zet for Nash - Younger, bigger replacement. Zet has a bad back (which NEVER goes away) & is much older in hockey years than his age because of all the deep post seasons he's been in. I really think he has slowed down a lot & Columbus would love to get someone of Zet's calibur locked up for years so he can't bolt immediately.
Trading Z for Nash is an interesting idea. I don't think it would immediately benefit the team, but a few years down the road Zetterberg's back might become even more of a problem. It would be tough to see him go because I have no reason to not like the guy, but I think Nash could put up ridiculous numbers playing on a line with Datsyuk.
As much as it would pain me to see such a star leave Detroit, I would trade Z for Nash too. We're losing a great player, but we're getting a great player in return, and Columbus has an established star that could lead the team for 8ish years.
I would not trade Z for Nash. Sorry, I'm too emotionally tied to him. He's been my favorite Wing for year and is the presumptive captain going into next season.
It does suck giving up guys that have been with our teams for a while & are good people on top of being good players. But, keeping players just because of emotional ties gets you into the Pistons situation -- Washed up & overpaid team with no flexibility or high draft picks. I like Z, but Nash is a higher scoring version with shorter contract, younger, bigger & would fit in right away next to Pav.
The problem with this is that trading Z for Nash only improves us slightly, if at all. You would still have to go out and get another top 6 forward. It also upsets team chemistry quite a bit I would imagine because Zetterberg is unquestionably one of the leaders of the team. And he's still one of the best two way forwards in the game. He's still got some very good years left in him.
Would a team in our division trade their best player for Cleary and Kindl? That just makes zero sense for them.
Trade draft picks, Franzen, and The Monster for Nash and Hunwick.
I hope the Wings get some more defense. They have enough offensive talent if they can tie it up in their own zone.
My predictions today: Suter and Nash. Wings miss on Parise/Ryan. Parise goes to Philly - just a hunch.
and regardless of whatever else happens, the offseason is an A+. It'd be nice to land Parise, but that's not happening, and I don't like the price tag for a guy like Nash (huge contract hit, loss of really good young prospects, locked up until 2018). If a guy like Bobby Ryan is available, he might be worth the gamble - but I'm content with staying put up front and letting our farm system grow.
And if we can flip Franzen for someone, that'd be fine by me too.
It's going to take a lot more then prospects. At the trade deadline it was something like 2 top line players, a top 4 dman, prospects and multiple first rounders. And that was for teams outta the division. Are they going to get that, I doubt it. The price is still going to be steep. At least 2 roster players, along with prospects and picks. I think it'd take at least a Franzen and Fil combo, or something equivalent. Then picks and prospects. I don't see Detroit pulling it off. If rather see Nash then parise however.
“I'm told we're a consideration for both of them,'' Red Wings general manager Ken Holland said.
The Red Wings, according to a source, offered Suter a 12-year contract worth $90 million.
Pittsburgh and Minnesota are the mix for both. Reports indicated that their current clubs, Nashville (Suter) and New Jersey (Parise), are being considered.
Holland said He spoke to the Columbus Blue Jackets at the draft about forward Rick Nash, but the cost was way too high. Columbus also is reluctant to trade their franchise player within the Central Division, especially to Detroit.
I think Detroit gets Suter, Semin, and Hudler.
I think a combination of
will really help us out. I'd love to see us land both Suter and Nash....
He would score more if he was paired with good line mates. Still I wouldn't sell the farm for him
I am not a huge hockey fan, but one of my friends who is told me about a possible trade for both Corey Perry and Bobby Ryan on top of Parise and Suter. Any truth to this rumor?
Both of those Ducks have been thrown out there since the trade deadline, but asking price has been pretty high
Can anyone provide a bit more explanation of the Corey Perry AND Bobby Ryan rumors/talk. All I seem to find/read about it is solely based on Bobby Ryan. Just curious. Thanks.
Id love to give them franzen for nash
Franzen is 4 years older, and Nash is flat out a better player. Would take a lot more than just Franzen to get him, probably Frazen+Filpulla and prospects/picks.
I know it would take more than just him unless Cbus is dumb... Well that might be the case.
Franzen is the most frustrating player on the Wings for me he looks stuck in slow motion out there.
Absolutely. The guy had one outstanding postseason, and he's been living off that since. It sucks, but like someone below said, it would be tough to get someone to take on his monster contract.
He did look slow this year, and he had horrible puck control on the boards for a power forward. He could not keep the puck when he had it deep, and he could not take it away on defense. I think he had some lower body injuries this year and hopefully that was the issue with the missing spring in his step.
Aucoin going from playoff contending Phoenix, and Phoenix weather, to Columbus.
I didn't understand that move at all.
If the Wings land Suter than its been a succesfull free agent season. Nash would be icing but I just can't see that being realistic.
Rumors out of Chicago have them still looking to do something big. Personally I hope that Bowman (the younger) gets his head out of his ass and listens to Q. It seems like Stan wants to "prove himself" as a GM after everyone talked about how Q won the cup with Tallon's players. In the management vs. coach issues that the Hawks are having I'm going to side with Quenville. If the Hawks end up doing anything big I'll post it here.
EDIT: New rumor - apparently there is "mutual interest" between the Hawks and Parise, but the blogger who mentioned it (espn Chicago's Jesse Rodgers) doesn't think it'll happen
If C-bus wants too much for Nash we should target Bobby Ryan. He's a younger, cheaper Nash and wants out of Anaheim. Also, why does Sammy have a full NTC?
I think that has to be indication that he's one guy we really don't plan on packaging for either Nash or Bobby Ryan (obviously). Maybe Brunner/Tootoo, though, are meant to be put in a package for Ryan.
If the Wings traded one of their free agent acquisitions, then they could kiss goodbye to ever signing a prominent FA ever again....you just can't do that to a player; it's like an unspoken rule.
That's probably true, but if they were up front with the player and told them when they signed that they may move them somewhere else, and the player still signed, you couldn't really fault the Wings. I don't think it's going to happen, but I still have to think there's a possibility of it. The Wings have way too many forwards at this point, so it would make sense to turn those depth guys that we have an excess of into a higher quality player.
Yeah but that scenario is so unlikely. Why would a FA ever agree to sign somewhere knowing that "we're going to try and move you in a week". They might as well not even be a FA
Maybe. I just didn't get giving him a full NTC. I didn't think they were common for a 35 year old, 2nd line career journeyman.
- Philly is the frontrunner for Nash right now for 3 picks, 2 roster players, and 1 toss-in (an Eric Wellwood type of guy).
- Detroit is the frontrunner for Suter and that's looking pretty likely at this point.
- Nobody knows what Parise is going to do. He has several acceptable offers and at this point is just trying to pick a city and a team where he fits.
- Asked around about Trouba and Di Giuseppe. Everyone seems to think Trouba will stay with Michigan and has no reason to jump ship. On the other hand, Windsor thinks they're going to get Di Giuseppe and that its just a matter of time before he flips. I spoke directly to a Windsor coach so take that for what its worth. I also spoke to a good friend who is a very prominent young player in USA Hockey (a guy you would all know) and he said he's heard the same thing about Di Giuseppe.
Any idea when Suter or Parise make their decisions today? Also is Matt Carle or Semin an option for the Wings of they miss on any of these guys?
Thank you for the information on Trouba and Di Giuseppe, even if it is of the "take it FWIW" variety. It's always intersting to hear about what "insiders" and those closer to the situation think. We seem to get plenty of that type of information re: the NHL, but it's always more sporadic with regard to college. Thanks again.
I don't have any inside info on Parise except that we have a few of the same friends and none of them have any clue. His agent is Don Meehan, a guy known to get the highest contracts, and that involves a lot of smoke/mirrors and creating hype by misleading people. So I won't believe anything about Parise until he's actually signed somewhere.
As for Suter, all I've heard is that Detroit has an excellent chance of landing them with the offer they've given. He knows he has a chance to go to Detroit and be the guy.
Thank you for the insight. It's always very much appreciated!
Regarding Suter, have you heard much more about the rumor that he was only seriously considering teams in the West and had no interest at all in going to the East?
Regarding Di Giuseppe, I'm curious to see what your thoughts are on whether the decision to go to Windsor is best for his development curve. My (surely unpopular) opinion is that it would be; just curious what you think.
Windsor is a top notch organization and they've put so many players in the NHL recently it's hard to compete/recruit against them. Having said that, every kid is different so I don't know what would be best for him. Staying at Michigan certainly won't have a negative effect on his development as a player, it's elite hockey. The difference is the lifestyle. The OHL is a mini-nhl type of league that gets players ready for the show right away because of the culture and the number of games they play.
We are good up front with the Suisse and Sam back. #moredefense we score plenty.
Suter would be huge. Nash would be a marquee guy and a good finisher for a team that had trouble scoring when the offense was bogged down, but they need to shore up the defense with Lidstrom gone before worrying about too much offensively. That said, finally having a dominant scorer in Nash after good-but-not-great finishers would be nice.
What time are they supposed to be announcing?
I don't really think that there is a set time that they will announce. Broduer has apparently reached out to Parise since resigning with the Devil's and is supposedly going to talk to him again this afternoon.
They can announce at any time. The Internet world says today sometime.
Yea, I heard that on the radio this morning and it sounded like Parise was waiting to announce until after Suter. The way they said it made it sound like there were specific times that they were announcing.
Yeah, given what Columbus is looking for in return for Nash, I'd prefer the Wings to stay as far away as possible from that situation. Get Semin instead, as he's a better all-around player (when he tries, which I have faith in Babcock and Datsyuk to elicit more from him than Boudreau ever did) in my opinion anyway, plus Detroit won't have to give up assets which is a huge bonus for an aging franchise. Get Suter and Semin and I'm happy with the offseason.
Hudler just signed with the Flames; 4 years 16 million. Guess that solves one forward issue for us
Straight up $4Mx4 contract too
Won't be missed... Way over paying for a guy like him... Thomas Tartar could easily have similiar production for 1/4th the price.
Well not to be "that guy" but Tomas Tatar (not the sauce) is a good player. But I would rather see Gustav Nyquist get more of a look than Tatar.
Good point he's a much better player, I forgot about him oops
Holy crap! Thanks, Flames!
I'm surprised players like Suter and Parise have not jumped on board. Wings are a top notch organization, original six team, great coach, plenty of cap space... plus a chance to play in the Winter Classic infront of the largest crowd ever. What more could you want? Only thing I can think of is maybe Suter does not want the pressure of replacing Lidstrom and Parise would rather play with his "friend" Crosby or be captain and stay loyal in NJ.
I'm a Wings fan and we do have a great organization. That said, there are teams that are better set up to make multiple Cup runs in the next decade. The Pens' stars are young and phenomenal. Ours are getting a little older and while we have some good prospects, they are unproven. I can't blame players for considering the Pens or Flyers or Blackhawks. Those are top notch franchises as well.
Z and Helm aren't going anywhere. I'm guessing if a forward gets traded it would be Filppula.
It sounds like Parise will be announcing something in the next few minutes. Since it won't be Detroit, I'm rooting for Jersey.
Looks like he's about to announce in a few minutes...
Parise says he will return home tomorrow and discuss things with his family. Would not say which teams in contention but Devils still in mix
I think the wings are out of it and I bet they sign Semin sooner than Parise signs.
I agree that we are most likely out for Parise.
The thing that tips me off is that the Wings have more than enough forwards on their roster with the acquisition of Samuellson and Tootoo. I think we get Suter (fingers crossed), but the additions of Samuellson and Tootoo makes me suspect that Kenny Holland might have a trade up his sleeve (this would be where Nash comes in).
Looks like he's announcing tomorrow.
Edit: Suter that is
Where do you get that idea from?