This is maaaaybe premature there, ESPN. Maryland #1 FWIW.
ive been watching this packer game and...
on this blog was arguing with me that the complaints w/the refs is ridiculous and that even the real refs make bad calls...bullshit. Packers got hosed and the NFL is embarassing.
I don't know that I agree--I mean, I recall complaining plenty often of bs/missed calls by the regular officials.
But I don't recall ever once complaining that they didn't know the rules.
So there's that.
Conisistency in what you call is a pretty big deal too.
Even the real refs DO make bad calls. The problem is the replacement refs don't really know what to look for or what the rules are which means they make about ten times more bad calls than the regular refs.
but these are just blatantly bad calls and its happening routinely. It's been taken to an extreme level. NFL is a joke.
Yep. There have been egregious calls, and they game is constantly call inconsistantly right now. The regular refs were at least consistant.
I think that last play in the MNF game is overshadowing the bigger problems with the officials. I don't have any issue with the call on the field being a touchdown and I don't have a problem with the play not being overruled on replay (you would have a hard time telling me there was indisputable evidence of possession by the defender). The real thing to rail on the replacements about is the spots and general knowledge of the NFL rulebook, that is the embarassing part.
Packers for sure got hosed but I think all the anger should be directed at the NFL who refuses to give their officials more money and the officialy who refuse to take less money. (arguing which side is right in the arbitration is a separate story all together). The stand-in officials are obviously doing the best that they can, they're under unprecedented scrutiny, and--like the regular officials--they make mistakes. This one just happened to be the biggest mistake in recent memory considering the timing of the game and the stage they were on.
I feel bad for them.
To add on to this, I think the lack of consistancy is the biggest problem here. If the stand-in officials made the same ticky tack PI calls from play to play, series to series, and week to week, the players and coaches would simply adjust to it.
That's obviously not the case and if it goes on another week I think one of the Harbaugh's might actually Woody Hayes an official. Which would be pretty fucking entertaining if nothing else.
Are you trying to say that no other team in the history of college or pro ball ever got hosed by the refs, accidentally or on purpose?
I can think of a few things far worse. The Pittsburgh/Seattle Super Bowl was the worst officiating I have ever seen in a football game, and I started out cheering for Pittsburgh until I turned it off, wondering why they made the fix so obvious.
How about Charles White's phantom touchdown in the Rose Bowl? How about the "holding" penalty against Michigan on a successful fake punt in the Rose Bowl against USC, with Bo subsequently overhearing the ref who made the call say "There was no way I was going to let that son of a bitch win his last game here" while walking by the refs' locker room after the game?
Referees aren't some downtrodden people getting worked into the ground for less than minimum wage; they're people with great "day jobs" who make a lot of extra money with a very nice part-time gig. It's great that the public suddenly loves the original refs so much, but the real problem is that there are no full time officials at any level of the sport.
When the regular refs come back, everyone will give them a hall pass for a week or two, and then they will start complaining about them, too.
the nfl has become a joke.
Jesus is a lions fan
Lions history debunks your theory.
I was mixed on my opinion of whether or not their awfulness was overblown by the media. I'm just smh'ing at myself at this point.
you forgot the interception that was called back on roughing the passer while wilson was scrambling.
Or the ridiculous call that was clearly offensive PI.
nah he got that one in there
NFC North is wide open but that is pathetic. Though simulteanous possesion isn't reviewable. And a little OPI on the last play.
The Nfl looks more and more like a joke every game I see. These refs are incompetent and should not be here.
Stuff like this, and last year's lock out is exactly why there used to be a USFL. The NFL is just too dumb for its own good sometimes.
Because of a roughing call when the QB was tackled by a guy already leaping at the ankles.
you are not allowed to hit a QB below the knees. this rule was enacted a few years ago. but it's a dumb rule.
that is for a qb in the pocket. Wilson was by the sideline scrambling. he was a runner at that point.
You know that. I know that. Everyone in the country knows that.
Except the replacement refs.
then read your last sentence about stopping behind the line.
you could easily argue he wasn't moving with the ball, attempting to advance the ball or throwing on the run, though he was outside the pocket. he stopped and stepped into his throw. then was hit below the knees.
this was not an obvious blown call. but i will say again that it's a dumb rule.
In this instance you'd be hard pressed to say he stopped and set and wasn't on the run-
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Now I'll agree that's one of those rule interpretations that I could understand a replacement guy screwing up - "always call the hit below the knees a penalty", and not get the whole moving not moving thing. It's just one added on error that ends up looking like mass incompetence with the others. If that was all they messed up and Seattle had scored Packer fans would be complaining, but no one else would care.
my only point is that it wasn't an "obvious" blown call. a bit of a gray area there. and i hate that rule. and it spoiled a great INT by the GB DB.
i now can see that the nd game could have been 10000000000000000x more soul genocide-ing
Things can always, always, always get worse.
I am not a huge NFL fan, so I don't know passion for a pro team. But my god, if this had been Michigan getting screwed in this manner I would not have a working television anymore and I would probably have a broken hand.
But, guys.... these games have become movie-esque... you couldnt write these storylines...
Calls are making these twists and turns so exciting! hahahahaha
NFL Directed by M. Night Shyamalan.
"I don't see any issue with the replacement refs so far this season."
That was the blown game by the replacement refs that everyone was waiting for. The 4th quarter was a comedy of errors by those clowns.
Damn it BiSB! I woke up my wife from laughing so hard.
Indeed, that's hysterical. well played.
"GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE SAM SHIELDS"
- Golden Tate
I might even feel better if the refs were on the take rather than that incompetent.
And that's why something will happen. You do not mess with the spread. How can Vegas even factor in ref incompetence into the line?
By adding an extra couple of points to the home team's side of the spread.
I suspect it's already been done.
A lot of people are saying that, but I'm not buying it. You get about two to three weeks worth of football in a year. Can you really step away?
The NFL loves this. Casual football fans will be tuning in at record levels just to watch the train wreck. All about the Benjamins baby!
turned a moderately entertaining game into one of the most entertaining...things...i've seen in a while. that "thing" just wasn't football
Hahaha, I completely agree. Watching the train wreck on SportsCenter after is priceless. The NFL is better than your average dramedy right now.
I like to think that "dramedy" is not what the NFL is going for.
I know that seems so clearly an interception... but don't count on change coming soon.
If you recall during the last World Cup in South Africa, the ball went across the line and was seen by about 1 billion people but wasn't called a goal, which is simpler than even this decision and yet years later, there is still no procedure in place.
The referees who are working this game - are they regular college referees? Are the usual Big Ten referees already committed? I heard on talk radio that these were from a lower tier but wondered if anyone knew.
If they ever hope to move up to the NFL don't want to be scabs.
They're not even the better D3 refs. These jobs are a career-ending move; the better small-college officials hope for eventual advancement and weren't interested.
Didn't give up 9 sacks. They were bad but so were both offenses
Why the fuck is Russell Wilson on during the highlights on ESPN? This is the least subtle job of spin control by the NFL I've ever seen. Goddell is drunk with power and is doing his best job to kill the NFL. Tonight is a perfect example of why the NFL is nothing but background noise at this point. It's just become a huge fucking joke with the owners and commissioner choking the life out of the game. It's not even fun anymore.
McCarthy is handling this admirably. I'd love to see Rex Ryan or Jim Harbaugh handle this situation.
If I got paid that much rather than blowing $10k on a watch I'd rather spend it on calling the refereeing a disgrace.
Was at the Ravens game last night and thought that was the worst group of officials ever.......then BOOM tonight happens! If Ravens were cheated like Packers were the streets of Baltimore would not be a safe place to be and that's saying a lot considering our crime rate! Packers were flat out robbed...sad couple days for the NFL.
are the real refs from d2 and d3, then imagine how bad their replacement refs are!
The Sunbelt refs from the Alamo Bowl are now....
The guy is a tyrant who only knows how to alienate people, not how to get anyone to get along. He drives a wedge between everyone--the players, the owners, the officials--and the league will suffer for it.
It is Goodell, but I think you're on the right track. He does think he's GODdell. With the recent rule changes, divisive mood, and refereeing problems, the NFL isn't smooth sailing.
I used to be able to enjoy NFL games, but the league is slowly changing into some sort of NBA-hybrid; more scoring, more superstars, more music, more explosions, more noice, more passing, more made-up drama, more strippers (I mean "cheerleaders"), less defense, less character, less tradition, less substance, less analysis, less meaning.
As the name makes clear I have a dog in this fight but I don't think I have ever seen that kind of cascade of inexplicable calls. From "roughing the passer" to OPI 1 to OPI 2 to the int/td. I almost feel bad for these guys, they are supposed to be reffing high school and they can't be expected to do this, but man, that was brutal.
I'm a bit upset that the inexplicable int/td call is getting all the press. It's important people realize that every call in the last five minutes was blown. But man, if I'm the head on the real referees union, I am feeling good right now. Goodell will be on the phone with them within the hour offering them everything they want and more.
Whoops. One post for each time the Packers got screwed on the last play.
One ref signals touchdown the other starts to indicate int by waving both hands.
As I see the replay, the ref who signals TD is looking at the other ref, thinks he's going to signal TD, and raises his own hands. No communication.
The refs are fine. Next question.
but i wish this had happened to a different team, only because mccarthy stayed way too classy.
had this been harbaugh, rex ryan, bb, or almost any other coach...the entertainment for the night would only just be starting.
if they're gonna make this a soap opera, then queme los barcos!!
This is a great point. The league is actually very lucky that this happened to a team coached by McCarthy, who seems to hold not losing his cool higher than almost any other emotion. Imagine if this was Harbaugh...
But still you have players tweeting "Fuck the NFL," creating hashtags like "#RogerGoodellSucks," and facetiously suggesting wildcat strikes. Goodell's managed to call the entire league into disrepute, and yet he'll still continue to fine and suspend players for conduct he determines to damage the NFL. He's done the worst thing a commissioner can do, he's become the story. He's going to get booed worse than Gary Bettman anytime he appears at a stadium.
Goodell has a long way to go to play as big a joke on the NFL as the Phoenix Coyotes.
2-3 more weeks, tops. If this continues, all holy hell is going to break loose in the media, and the NFL will cave. We can't be having half a dozen dumpster fires all over the league every Sunday afternoon.
Maybe ill just stream games to my cpu and hook up the HDMI cable. Take that Goodell! /s (?).
And half those posts were about the refs. Wonder if that's the attention Goodell is going for.
but i wouldn't be surprised if ratings get a boost
I guess this is the, bad press is good press idea.
the league officials union just gained more
fact this season of the show "leverage" is taking place in seattle makes this comment heeeeelarious to me. thank you!
I'm not so sure they have. People can point to blown calls and whatnot, but at the end of the day, all this is doing is raising TV viewership for the NFL. If that's a normal game, nobody's talking about it today, even though it's "MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBAWWW".
But now? You've got everybody clicking on stories about it, everyone's gonna be watching future games to see what might happen, writing about it. And all of that has the good fortune of pushing concussions and Bountygate right off the Radar and away from Goodell. As long as a league is playing games, there's no such thing as bad press.
Yeah it means Goodell is a dick, and the integrity of the NFL will be watered down, but they're probably gonna make even more money, and that's all that's really important for them
Wishing injuries on someone is always the classy way to go. I'm sure you would be cool with people hoping you had an injury that threatened your ability to make a living.
Piece of overrated shit.
But the line "Wilson threw the first game winning interception in history" is classic.
And Golden Tate back to back lines "I play for God" then to the question did you push off "I don't know what you're talking about" x2. His god apparently likes liars.
He also said, he just went in the endzone and competed. After that Rick Riley said, "I guess competing is cheating."
Tate has it coming for his cheap shot on Sean Lee and bragging about it afterwards and now this.
In other news....
I'm a fan of football but have never liked the NFL, mostly because it's incredibly boring, But i hate Green Bay enough to think this is hilarious. It really couldn't have happened to a more deserving fan base.
...let's forget the refs for a sec: What happened tonight was a textbook example of why you go for the knockdown and not the interception when defending against a hailmary. If that Packers defender had done what he had been taught, these sorry excuses for refs wouldn't have had the chance to blow the call.
Just tip it in a crowd and you end up tipping it to the other team like the Lions yesterday. Or 2 days ago now.
So if you had a chance to move up in your field of employment, make some more money and maybe provide a better life for your family you wouldn't be interested?
They're the best the NFL can find. Whether they're up to standard or not is another story, but these guys are humans put into an impossible position. You can criticize the calls without being a dick about the person making the calls.
I don't usually hold Trent Dilfer in high regard, but I think he put it best when he said that putting these refs in is like taking a bunch of undrafted free agents, forming their own team, and expecting them to compete for a Super Bowl.
They're not moving up in their field. They're not going to provide a better life for their family in anything like the long term. They're going to be NFL refs for another two weeks or so. Maybe they make enough to buy a new boat before they go back to NAIA and the Lingerine Football League.
Then why take the job? You're trying to say that having NFL film couldn't possibly impress a Big Ten or SEC scout? You're saying making the (way more relaxed) cut process for the NFL this season isn't prestigious at all?
If it isn't helping their careers or their families, you should start by explaining why they took these jobs. On top of that, it's always stupid to personally blame an official for a botched call. They're people doing a job, criticize the job they're doing, not the people doing it.
IMO, they took these jobs because it was some quick money and for the prestige. IMO, those are unethical choices. Maybe some of them thought it was a chance for advancement, but they have to know now that the vast majority of refs are going to look at them as incompetents the moment they hear "replacement official." That stigma's going to go with them in any referreeing job they seek.
And IMO, it's fair to criticize a person that takes a job he's not qualified for because another person is involved in a contract dispute. No one forced them to take the job and I think they made an unethical choice. YMMV, but I have no problem criticizing the guys for taking those jobs.
I'm not saying that's the reason they're fucking up, the reason they're fucking up is that the only officials the NFL could only find willing to take the jobs were woefully inexperienced and in some cases incompetent (and yes, I would say that anyone fired from the Lingerine Football League because they didn't make the grade is incompetent.)
Just because someone is not up to the task does not mean that they're unethical. That's like saying it's unethical for a kid to accept a football scholarship to Penn State if he would normally have no shot at that level but for the sanctions.
The replacement officials are in over their heads, but they're not bad people.
I don't think he was saying their inability to do the job is what made the decision unethical.
The fair comparison, at Penn State, would be a kid that accepted a football scholarship during a work stoppage by college football players. How you feel about the ethics of that, or of the replacement officials, probably depends on how you feel about labor disputes generally.
There are people for whom scabbing shows a despicable lack of respect for one's fellow workers. There are people who have a visceral hatred of labor unions. And there are a lot of people at various points in between.
Crap - Yes, they're officiating like crap. These guys would be in over their heads reffing a B1G game, let alone an NFL one.
Scab - Temporary replacement workers during a labor dispute.
I'm not being a dick at all, I'm calling these guys exactly what they are. And if I was to move into a position I knew I was not competent enough to perform (especially if its at the expense of someone else), I fully would expect customers to become easily frustrated and point out my every flaw. As a guy who works in IT support, you're never going to get me to feel sorry about another worker dealing with criticism.
The NFL started this lockout, and they can end it anytime they please. The costs of having competent refereeing at a game must be less than what the backup fullback makes for that game. The costs of having incompetent refereeing? We are seeing it now.
Yeah, that stadium will be so empty next week because people are pissed off. And so many less people will watch on TV. What are these "costs" you speak of? People being angry? The NFL has more leverage than you can imagine here.
That's not what all the former defensive backs on TV were saying yesterday in the wake of the Lions thing. Deion and others said that you shouldn't knock it down, that you have one guy who's the designated jumper who's supposed to intercept it and the others box the receivers out. The Packers actually played it perfectly, only Tate got away with an uncalled PI on the guy boxing him out and then the side judge just totally blew the call.
In my 8 years of playing football and my entire life of watching football, I've never heard anyone say you shouldn't go for the knockdown. Out of curiousity, I did ask one my friends who's coaches high school football if they still teach knockdown defense on a hail mary. He was actually surprised I even asked because he said he had never heard of anywhere coaching that play any differently.
I was surprised too, b/c I'd grown so used to everyone in the studios yelling "knock it down." But if you watch the highlight clips of the Lions game on nfl.com, there's an interesting bit from someone (I think it was Deion, but I could be wrong) arguing that if you can intercept it, you should, and that one guy is the "free" player designated to go after the ball while the others "block out."
If that is accurate (and I don't know if it is) then what the Packers did was by the book.
The clip about intercepting the ball is here at about 1:35. (I think it's Deion, Irvin, and Faulk).
The bit about blocking out and a designated "jumper" is here at around 3:00.
"It was a Hail Mary. At that point, it can be anybody's ball. And we just made sure we did what we were taught. When the ball's in the air, you do your best to knock it down and make sure their guys around and make sure they clean up."
- Antrel Rolle (on the last play in the last Super Bowl)
and we tell everyone to just intercept it. We used to use the bat-it-down rule until we batted it right into the other team's hands and lost several games. It's basically two rules: if you have position, then intercept it. If the other player has better positioning than you, try to break up his catch.
how that knockdown works, thought they won in the end. people can still catch knockdowns i dont know why people keep repeating go for the knockdown not the pick...
Nothing's gonna change unless the ratings fall and we all love football way too much. It's ashame but this season is goin down in the books with an asterisk.
Did you also know the NFL is a 501c tax exempt organization? $9 Billion untaxed profit and they still don't want to pay the refs and give them some job security? I don't blame these guys that are trying to fill in. Blame the league that spends taxpayer money on stadiums and then blacks out the game locally when it doesn't sell out. Greed.
The NFL's popularity is getting dangerous.
The teams aren't.
...after last night's game, when I hear "replacement ref", I see this guy, right after the phrase, "There are thiry-two fouls on the play...":
The calls were horrible on the last drive but what people dont remember was that the refs were just as bad when GB scored their only touchdown. The refs converted at least one third down and that goalline 4th an inches which gave them the first down. There way no way there was enough evidence to overturn that call. So while packer fans are mad and they should be they should also remember that they also had a touchdown handed to them.
The PI call on Seattle was questionable but the overturned 4th and inches was the correct call. Nothing on Green Bay's drive was nearly as egregious as the blown calls during the last 3 minutes of the game.
It was the correct call. It was also 3rd down. The Packers had the FG team on before deciding to challenge.
Do you rememeber when Megatron came down with a ball in the endzone and touched his knee down and then his hand came down and the ball was dropped out of his hand like 3 seconds later and they called it no TD? Of course you don't because you are a stupid Packers fan. Have fun getting shit piled on you ONCE when we have taken years of bullshit calls right up the ass.
That was just a moronic rule the league has in place, but it was enforced correctly.
This wasn't close to a correct interpretation of the simultaneous possession rule.
Screwed the Lions last year. Yeah, it's worse now, but it happens with all of them.
There are a ton of cheapshots being taken because players are not afraid of, and do not respect, the refs. There are a lot of fights breaking out for the same reasons. Players are frustrated and angry at the way the refs are calling the plays. Someone is going to get hurt and it will be -- at least in part -- the fault of the league for inproperly enforcing rules designed to protect player safety.
I've seem more fights in the nfl in the last weekend than I have ever seen and the refs dont do shit
a lot of defensive holding not being called on the CBs.
I think this pretty much sums it up
It appears god hates the Packers almost as much as I do.
add in last year when Wisconsin lost to State and Ohio on late bombs, and consider that this was Russell Wilson who threw up the ball against the Packers and it becomes pretty obvious that Jesus hates Wisconsin.
the NFL is looking at with refs. Somewhat a corporate issue where they're trying to keep these guys and their demands in line. Dunno if that is true. . .
From what I understand, the NFL is trying to rationalize their system of retirement compensation, moving refs from a pension-based system to a 401k system (which is what other league employees have). Officials are resisting b/c many already have 401ks at other jobs and want security of the pension. There are also some work rules issues about evaluation of officials. From what i understand, the NFLs been pretty unwilling to budge and the last two weeks of refereeing disaaters have hardened the officials' stances. That the officials are part time employees complicates things as they have less incentive to settle than other locked out workers.
I'm sure someone will jump down my throat for this, but this is why you don't leave any game in the officials hands. All you Packer fans that think your offense is so "high powered" how come you only put up 12 points? I get that it was a bad call, but lets be real the Packers played poorly offensively. In the new NFL it is almost impossible to win by only scoring 12 points. The players shouldn't go on twitter pissing and moaning about the refs, because when they play a bad game and some twitter fan calls them out they get all bent out of shape. Score more points or play even better defense and a last second Hail Mary shouldn't beat you.
But when it's four calls in a row, it starts getting really difficult to overcome.
Besides, I never understood that argument. They DID do enough to win if the refs can get any one of 4 horrendous calls accurate. Why should they have to compensate for someone else's incompetence? At least it should be equally incompetent.
I only watched part of the game, but I did hear that the Packers offense was terrible. None the less I feel bad for these officials they really for thrown into the fire. It also doesn't help them out because the media since the first regular season game has been making it into this huge deal and overhyping it (surprise). They aren't on the same level as the regular refs but they are doing everything they can and no one should be criticizing them you wouldn't like someone blowing up your every mistake at work on national television.
Because all everyone does is knock coaches and players, who are only kinda scholarship getting paid, for the job they do. I'm sure you won't knock Denard or Borges for last Saturday just because their job was on national television.
They took the gig, it's not even their regular job, and they crossed a negotiating line to do it. That's their right, but they're taking on the possible heat when they take the salary. And while the media has love wringing their hands about it, most aren't expecting them to get things right that are impossibly intricate...just gets things that even layman on the couch could get right (not the stuff they THINK they could get right, but really simple rules). You don't have to have all the fine points of the tuck rule down pat, but at least know possession and offensive pass interference.
And yeah, the Packers offense was bad...but the Seahawks defense is pretty good too (hard to imagine, but it certainly seems to be the case).
Touchdown call was close enough to be called touchdown on the field.
Green Bay defensive back got his hands on the ball first but control of the ball can't be granted until the player is on the ground, this why if a player catches a ball but gets it knocked out before coming to the ground it is an incomplete pass. By the time they reached the ground it does look like Golden Tate has both arms around the ball, he at least has enough control of the ball when they land to continue to wrestle for it.
People keep saying what a horrible call that was because of replacement refs, but not only could I see seasoned refs making that same call, I'm not entirely sure it was the wrong call.
they were fighting for the ball, GB player made the catch and Tate wrapped his hands around him. Donovan Warren's 2009 INT vs. Indiana was more of a fight for the ball and he was awarded the INT.
They were fighting for the ball. Eventually Golden Tate came up with the ball. There's a chance that Tate had more if the other players arm than the ball, but I can clearly understand why a ref would call it a touchdown and why a review wouldn't overrule it.
What were you watching? I'm not a fan of either team (Lions fan), but where can you even remotely see "Golden Tate coming up with the ball"? All he did was wrap his arms around Jennings and when he landed on the ground he pretty much had one hand touching the ball and that was it.
Pavel trusts his eyes to Dr. Rahmani, and you should too.
At the end of the play when both players finally stopped fighting for the ball Tate comes up with it. I'm trying to recall that from memory because none of the replays go that far. But I'm like 95% sure they show Tate come out of the scrum with the ball in his hands.
I texted my friend to "Bet the over" on how many U mad bro's we'd text back and forth. It was a losing bet.
Think South Park will say something about this tomorrow? Here's the mini-preview of tomorrow's episode
"As a concerned parent, Randy radically changes the way football is played at South Park Elementary. The new version of the game quickly becomes the nation’s most popular sport. One gifted student emerges as a star athlete in sarcastaball."
You gotta love ol "Cheat to Win" Pete Carroll. Despite overwhelming popular opinion backed up by clear video evidence he's like (I think it was the right call). The man truly has no honor.
What is he suppose to say. "The refs clearly made the wrong call, so I am going to forfeit the game and let the Packers have the win"
Cost me $1,500.00, on that one pass.
Can anyone top that?
I gotta be honest: I would have a much easier time working up OUTRAGE if it were most any other team besides the Packers getting screwed. I fully agree that the NFL needs to open the pocketbooks and hire full-time referees and stop being so goddam stupid about this, but .... it's the Packers, so fuck 'em. As if they're the first team in the NFC North to get screwed by the refs. It probably never happened to them before so their fans don't know what it's like.
....was during that last Seattle drive that ultimately awarded Seattle the game win, I think people are forgetting earlier in the 4th quarter and GB getting a gift.
At around 11:30 or so left in the game, GB was facing a 3rd and 2 or 3 from around midfield. Rodgers pass was off, but the officials called PI on Seattle when it was clear in the replays that the Seattle defender never touched the GB receiver past the 5 yard from scrimmage mark. Never held.
If no PI had been called, GB likely would have punted the ball, and no GB TD would have resulted.
In the larger context of the entire game, that call was just another call. But place that drive, and that call, in the final drive of the game, and Seattle would have just as much to bitch, moan, and complain about, regarding the refs "giving" the game to GB.
Think about this for a minute; If no PI call on that play, no TD. Given GB's ineptitude during the entire game on offense, likely maybe only another FG would be added. That Seattle likely would have answered, as they got into FG range in their second to last drive. Given that, Seattle likely would have won the game anyways, but in a much cleaner fashion.
So, I have no sympathy for GB, or their players, or their fans, complaining about the officials awarding the game to Seattle for the mockery of football that was Seattle's last drive.
Quit complaining about the refs "giving the game" to Seattle when GB was on the receiving end of a call that nearly "gave the game" to GB instead.
The problem is that you can make that argument about a number of plays throughout the game. On the first TD that Seattle scored, there was a clear holding call that was missed on Clay Matthews. Russell Wilson was able to scramble for a first down. A few plays later, Seattle scores a TD.
I think it's quite clear that the referees were terrible throughout the entire game but IMO they were most egregiously bad during the final few minutes.
If all the holding calls were called the NFL would be unwatchable.
needs to be added to the smouldering heap:
The linky says it all.
Just read that 70-80% of monies wagered was on GB. The Sports Books made out like bandits on that final play.
Things that make you go hmmm
As long as the ratings don't dive Goodell doesn't really care about what anyone thinks (hint, they are doing just fine LINK). If people start to do other things than watch football with their Sundays, Monday and now Thursday nights, we might see movement.
deal is supposedly imminent