OT-NFL Replacement Refs
Ok i have had enough of teh replacement refs to last a lifetime. If anyone else watched the end of the Packers-Seahawk game you know what i am talking about.
For one, there was a obvious offensive PI that was called defensive PI against the Packers. This keeps the Seahawk drive alive. Then the last play of the game was hailmary for Seattle, first it was the most obvious offensive PI i have seen, Tate obviously pushed Shields down. No call on this. Then Jennings intercepts the ball and Tate wrestles the ball away from Jennings on the ground. Replay clearly shows that Jennings had possession and Tate pulled it away on the ground. To top it all off, one ref signaled touchdown while the other signaled touchback as though Shields intercepted the ball in the end zone.
Fucking bullshit calls just cost the Packers a game. NFL pay the refs to avoid this embarrassment that we are currently calling the NFL.
September 25th, 2012 at 7:11 AM ^
September 25th, 2012 at 12:57 AM ^
In other news....
September 25th, 2012 at 1:02 AM ^
What pisses me off the most is that they called this TD at least one of them did before they EVEN SAW who really had possession?! What if this was the Super Bowl?! Is this really going to continue throughout the season? This game was horribly officiated. Shield's was interefered with it goes Seattle's way. Jennings clearly has the ball in his hands going down till Tate pulls it away on the ground THAT'S A PICK. This shit has to stop. I don't care how much you hate Green Bay. If you are a fan of the NFL and football you know what tonight was. To a true fan that call was bull shit.
September 25th, 2012 at 8:12 AM ^
I'm a fan of football but have never liked the NFL, mostly because it's incredibly boring, But i hate Green Bay enough to think this is hilarious. It really couldn't have happened to a more deserving fan base.
September 25th, 2012 at 1:05 AM ^
September 25th, 2012 at 1:08 AM ^
no excuse...that's a flag. automatic pass interference on the OFFENSE.
September 25th, 2012 at 1:12 AM ^
September 25th, 2012 at 1:36 AM ^
So if you had a chance to move up in your field of employment, make some more money and maybe provide a better life for your family you wouldn't be interested?
They're the best the NFL can find. Whether they're up to standard or not is another story, but these guys are humans put into an impossible position. You can criticize the calls without being a dick about the person making the calls.
September 25th, 2012 at 7:35 AM ^
September 25th, 2012 at 9:58 AM ^
They're not moving up in their field. They're not going to provide a better life for their family in anything like the long term. They're going to be NFL refs for another two weeks or so. Maybe they make enough to buy a new boat before they go back to NAIA and the Lingerine Football League.
September 25th, 2012 at 10:36 AM ^
September 25th, 2012 at 10:54 AM ^
IMO, they took these jobs because it was some quick money and for the prestige. IMO, those are unethical choices. Maybe some of them thought it was a chance for advancement, but they have to know now that the vast majority of refs are going to look at them as incompetents the moment they hear "replacement official." That stigma's going to go with them in any referreeing job they seek.
And IMO, it's fair to criticize a person that takes a job he's not qualified for because another person is involved in a contract dispute. No one forced them to take the job and I think they made an unethical choice. YMMV, but I have no problem criticizing the guys for taking those jobs.
I'm not saying that's the reason they're fucking up, the reason they're fucking up is that the only officials the NFL could only find willing to take the jobs were woefully inexperienced and in some cases incompetent (and yes, I would say that anyone fired from the Lingerine Football League because they didn't make the grade is incompetent.)
September 25th, 2012 at 12:10 PM ^
Just because someone is not up to the task does not mean that they're unethical. That's like saying it's unethical for a kid to accept a football scholarship to Penn State if he would normally have no shot at that level but for the sanctions.
The replacement officials are in over their heads, but they're not bad people.
September 25th, 2012 at 1:16 PM ^
I don't think he was saying their inability to do the job is what made the decision unethical.
The fair comparison, at Penn State, would be a kid that accepted a football scholarship during a work stoppage by college football players. How you feel about the ethics of that, or of the replacement officials, probably depends on how you feel about labor disputes generally.
There are people for whom scabbing shows a despicable lack of respect for one's fellow workers. There are people who have a visceral hatred of labor unions. And there are a lot of people at various points in between.
September 25th, 2012 at 12:15 PM ^
Jerrbbz.
September 25th, 2012 at 10:32 AM ^
September 25th, 2012 at 11:37 AM ^
The NFL started this lockout, and they can end it anytime they please. The costs of having competent refereeing at a game must be less than what the backup fullback makes for that game. The costs of having incompetent refereeing? We are seeing it now.
September 25th, 2012 at 12:42 PM ^
Yeah, that stadium will be so empty next week because people are pissed off. And so many less people will watch on TV. What are these "costs" you speak of? People being angry? The NFL has more leverage than you can imagine here.
September 25th, 2012 at 9:55 AM ^
That's not what all the former defensive backs on TV were saying yesterday in the wake of the Lions thing. Deion and others said that you shouldn't knock it down, that you have one guy who's the designated jumper who's supposed to intercept it and the others box the receivers out. The Packers actually played it perfectly, only Tate got away with an uncalled PI on the guy boxing him out and then the side judge just totally blew the call.
September 25th, 2012 at 10:54 AM ^
In my 8 years of playing football and my entire life of watching football, I've never heard anyone say you shouldn't go for the knockdown. Out of curiousity, I did ask one my friends who's coaches high school football if they still teach knockdown defense on a hail mary. He was actually surprised I even asked because he said he had never heard of anywhere coaching that play any differently.
September 25th, 2012 at 10:58 AM ^
I was surprised too, b/c I'd grown so used to everyone in the studios yelling "knock it down." But if you watch the highlight clips of the Lions game on nfl.com, there's an interesting bit from someone (I think it was Deion, but I could be wrong) arguing that if you can intercept it, you should, and that one guy is the "free" player designated to go after the ball while the others "block out."
If that is accurate (and I don't know if it is) then what the Packers did was by the book.
September 25th, 2012 at 11:17 AM ^
The clip about intercepting the ball is here at about 1:35. (I think it's Deion, Irvin, and Faulk).
http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap1000000065420/GameDay-Lions-vs-Titans-highlights
The bit about blocking out and a designated "jumper" is here at around 3:00.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap1000000065171/Lions-vs-Titans-highlights
September 25th, 2012 at 11:42 AM ^
"It was a Hail Mary. At that point, it can be anybody's ball. And we just made sure we did what we were taught. When the ball's in the air, you do your best to knock it down and make sure their guys around and make sure they clean up."
- Antrel Rolle (on the last play in the last Super Bowl)
September 25th, 2012 at 12:20 PM ^
and we tell everyone to just intercept it. We used to use the bat-it-down rule until we batted it right into the other team's hands and lost several games. It's basically two rules: if you have position, then intercept it. If the other player has better positioning than you, try to break up his catch.
September 25th, 2012 at 10:19 AM ^
how that knockdown works, thought they won in the end. people can still catch knockdowns i dont know why people keep repeating go for the knockdown not the pick...
September 25th, 2012 at 1:35 AM ^
Nothing's gonna change unless the ratings fall and we all love football way too much. It's ashame but this season is goin down in the books with an asterisk.
September 25th, 2012 at 1:58 AM ^
Did you also know the NFL is a 501c tax exempt organization? $9 Billion untaxed profit and they still don't want to pay the refs and give them some job security? I don't blame these guys that are trying to fill in. Blame the league that spends taxpayer money on stadiums and then blacks out the game locally when it doesn't sell out. Greed.
The NFL's popularity is getting dangerous.
September 25th, 2012 at 11:09 AM ^
The teams aren't.
September 25th, 2012 at 2:07 AM ^
put it "bull shit" I've never seen a more botched call and seriously the linesman called it a TD before they even knew who did have the ball which Jennings did while going down. Tate leetched on and pulled it out while he was on the ground. You can't tell me after watching that replay that's a TD. No way. I will not believe it for a second. Seattle lost that game honestly but won it without proof of a winning play. These replacement officials have officially ruined the game for me and I'm seriously considering not watching the NFL after this bull shit. Tonight left a black mark on my love for professional football. I still love my Packers no matter what but tonight drew the line. Nebraska football all the way this year. Screw the NFL. These refs are a joke. Goodell doesn't give two shits either.
September 25th, 2012 at 8:47 AM ^
September 25th, 2012 at 6:52 AM ^
...after last night's game, when I hear "replacement ref", I see this guy, right after the phrase, "There are thiry-two fouls on the play...":
September 25th, 2012 at 7:22 AM ^
September 25th, 2012 at 7:46 AM ^
The PI call on Seattle was questionable but the overturned 4th and inches was the correct call. Nothing on Green Bay's drive was nearly as egregious as the blown calls during the last 3 minutes of the game.
September 25th, 2012 at 10:00 AM ^
It was the correct call. It was also 3rd down. The Packers had the FG team on before deciding to challenge.
September 25th, 2012 at 8:04 AM ^
Do you rememeber when Megatron came down with a ball in the endzone and touched his knee down and then his hand came down and the ball was dropped out of his hand like 3 seconds later and they called it no TD? Of course you don't because you are a stupid Packers fan. Have fun getting shit piled on you ONCE when we have taken years of bullshit calls right up the ass.
September 25th, 2012 at 9:21 AM ^
This wasn't close to a correct interpretation of the simultaneous possession rule.
September 25th, 2012 at 8:49 AM ^
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September 25th, 2012 at 9:07 AM ^
September 25th, 2012 at 9:36 AM ^
There are a ton of cheapshots being taken because players are not afraid of, and do not respect, the refs. There are a lot of fights breaking out for the same reasons. Players are frustrated and angry at the way the refs are calling the plays. Someone is going to get hurt and it will be -- at least in part -- the fault of the league for inproperly enforcing rules designed to protect player safety.
September 25th, 2012 at 10:22 AM ^
I've seem more fights in the nfl in the last weekend than I have ever seen and the refs dont do shit
September 25th, 2012 at 12:23 PM ^
a lot of defensive holding not being called on the CBs.
September 25th, 2012 at 9:47 AM ^
I think this pretty much sums it up
September 25th, 2012 at 10:18 AM ^
September 25th, 2012 at 11:27 AM ^
September 25th, 2012 at 4:15 PM ^
i think it's fairly obvious how Junior feels about the Ohio of the North. Have you ever smelled Kaukana?
September 25th, 2012 at 7:43 PM ^
You apparantly don't live close enough to know how to spell it.
September 25th, 2012 at 10:47 AM ^
the NFL is looking at with refs. Somewhat a corporate issue where they're trying to keep these guys and their demands in line. Dunno if that is true. . .
September 25th, 2012 at 12:03 PM ^
September 25th, 2012 at 11:03 AM ^
/end rant
/lol Packers