OT: NFL getting rid of extra points?
One coach to me at NFL Owners meetings...looks like we're getting rid of extra points
— trey wingo (@wingoz) March 23, 2015
If this is true, what will they do? A TD is worth 7 points? Just out of 6?Make them go for 2, for player safety.
And to make the game much more interesting.
Like hoops, you should be able to go for three. From the five after a TD, something like that.
"He wasn't at the 10, you blind moron, he was at the 11! It counts!"
I hate the idea of doing away with something just because somebody got too good at it. Kickers have to make a living too, y'know.
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Free throws. It pisses me off to no end that NBA players can miss more than 10% of the free throws they take.
Really? Can you shoot it at 90%?
is not paid millions of dollars based on an ability to shoot a basketball, and the occupation nyquist has does not allow for the focus on practicing basketball for hours a day.
While 90% may be high - you would think many college and professional players' free throw percentages would be higher than they are given the level of the game they are playing in, and the time they spend practicing.
But their percentages are not that high, nor have they ever been regardless of the amount of time and money invested in those college and pro players. Which clearly means the problem isn't the individuals, but the clear fact that free throws are much more difficult than we as fans give them credit for.
And he wouldn't listen. I said I'd rather have a strong center that makes 95% of his attemps under the basket, many rebounds and blocks per game, and shoots 70% from the line. I told him the fact that shaq had a job for so long proves that not everyone should have to hit 90% from the line. Wilt Chamberlin shot 51%. Sometimes teams live or die by the free throw and I would hope that the coach has enough vision to see that and let the team know who should have the ball late in the game/what kind of set up to run so a low% free throw shoot only has the ball long enough to take an uncontested shot.
It also ignores another aspect and that is that the player wants to hit 100%. Every player goes to practice and gets along with their teammates/coaches/management. There is nothing going on in their lives that would distract them from their job. /s
Let's not forget that the average NBA starter runs a couple of miles over the course of a game, and it mostly consists of sprinting and sharp cutting. Then he gets fouled, and suddenly he has 10 seconds to collect himself and make a 15-foot set shot. Doing that is a little different than just shooting in your driveway.
Yeah? Well, when I was playing basketball at a prep school in NYC, two teammates who always butted heads (one who was from the wrong side of the tracks) started getting in a fight, so the coach had them go up against each other in a free throw contest, and the loser had to run laps. They both made 50 straight free throws and neither ended up having to run. True story. You're the man now, dog!
I don't think it's as comprable as you believe. I've kicked extra points, and I've shot free throws, I can easily see how extra points are the bigger gimme to a professional. The margin of error in a free throw can be measured in inches, while the margin of error with extra points can be measured in yards. Hell, even the spin of the ball is absolutely pertinent with a free throw, while in football, you could kick the extra point so that it knuckleballs and it really wouldn't matter when you're that close.
...gets no sympathy from the long snappers union.
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It should be just worth 7 and you give up 1 point if you want to try for 2. The idea of moving it back to the 25 yard line and then declaring you are going for 2 and moving it back up to the 2.5 is such a clunky rule. Kickig from the 2.5 is essentially automatic and just an unecessary delay of the game. In the current state, after a TD I find something else to do for the next 5 minutes instead of watchig XP-->commercial-->kickoff-->commercial.
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I hate the "this" reply." This isn't RCMB.
I hate it too. Hopefully SuperStringer and the rest of the "this" crowd obliges and makes your next two weeks here more enjoyable for you.
Namond turned out alright, man. No doubt. You made the right call. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU1WqjMVtwE
That. Is a good argument.
And it's not "This".
so take that.
I think we can all agree the current extra point spot is too close. Some ideas we came up with to make the game more interesting:
Maybe a 40 yard extra point?
Maybe a 50 yard extra point that would prompt teams to go for two more often?
That just gets clunky and over complicated. Does forcing teams to kick a 40 yard kick for 1 pt really excite people? Why not just make it automatic and get on with the game.
but I do enjoy the kicking aspect of the game. It's just that the current spot for extra points is too close.
The current spot for extra points is too close, but if you move it back to the 40 then suddenly the kicking game is way, way, WAY more important. Too important, I'd say.
If your rule is that you kick extra points from the 40, then many games between roughly equal teams will be decided by the kickers.
That is not the sort of football I'd like to watch.
I think making it from 40 or 50 yards would negate the initial idea. Making a 50-yard field goal is still a difficult feat. I think the extra point was not intended to be particularly difficult, but it was a slight obstacle. Now it's basically automatic, but kicking a 50-yard field goal is not just a slight obstacle.
Some guys are really good at those long kicks, and some guys are not. That's the way it should be. Everyone is good at the current extra points, which means it's a waste of time.
but is this really a change worth making? No time comes off the clock, it takes like 5 seconds, and once in a while a kicker can miss one in a crucial spot. It happened to the Lions a few years back.
I guess my questions is just, why? I mean, has their been a big anti-extra point movement that I don't know about? What is prompting this change? What difference does it make, what facet of the game is this improving.
Surprised the networks to convince them to keep it.
The kick itself takes 5 seconds. Shuffling players on and off the field and taking timeouts while the coach thinks about whether he wants to go for 2 takes more than 5 seconds.
would still have to take that time thinking about it even if it was between taking the "free" point and going for two at the risk of losing the point. This change is just one that is not worth making.
I think the extra point was not intended to be particularly difficult, but it was a slight obstacle.
In 1932 NFL kickers only make 67% of extra points.
In 2013 NFL kickers made 72% of field goals from 40-49 yards.
In 2013 NFL kickers made 67% of field goals from 50+ yards.
But, that's a little different. You're only going to attempt a long field goal if you think you will get it. You can expect a 40-49 out of an NFL kicker in normal weather, but if the weather is poor, then you probably just go for it. A 50-yarder is going to be saved for the kickers who show that they make them on a regular basis or for the last minute of the game. You're essentially removing a lot of situations where you know you will not be able to make the FG, so those numbers are inflated. I think if you start making XPs 40 yards, you'll start seeing that move down toward 50%.
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Why not just get rid of the option to kick an extra point? A goal line play is more interesting than a kick from any distance anyway.
Well, then I think you get into changing the original intention of the game. Kicking has always been an element of the game. Saying "goal line plays are more interesting than kicks" is a slippery slope. Do you do away with the field goal for the same reason? I think flea flickers are more interesting than off-tackle running plays, so should we require that every team run at least one flea flicker each game?
March 24th, 2015 at 10:04 AM ^
Well, then I think you get into changing the original intention of the game.
In the "original intention of the game" extra point were worth 4x as much as a touchdown.
"A match shall be decided by a majority of touchdowns. A goal shall be equal to four touchdowns, but in the case of a tie, a goal kicked from [after] a touchdown shall take precedence over four touchdowns."
Then a few years later it changed to:
Four touchdowns were determined to take precedence over a goal kicked from the field. Two safeties were equivalent to a touchdown.
Then a couple years later:
A touchdown counted as four points. A goal after a touchdown also counted as four points.
Then a few years after that:
Touchdown scored five points, and the goal after touchdown added another point.
Then about 10 years later -
Value of a touchdown was increased to six points. The end zone was added. Forward passes caught beyond the goal line are now a touchdown as opposed to prviously when it resulted in a loss of possession and a touchback.
Then the two point conversion wasn't added to college football until 1958, and wasn't added to high school football until 1969.
adjustable goal posts.
Extra points should be about 1/2 the normal width and be spotted at the 7 yard line. They should adjust the width as the distance increases, but the current width is too wide right now for NFL kickers at ANY distance !!!
Go Blue!
maybe add a windmill, like the putt putt course