I want the Lions to draft Dion Jordan. He has freakish athletic ability and can do things that guys in his size shouldn't do. He would be a great fit as a 4-3 SAM LB with his ability to cover against TEs/WRs yet has the athleticism to line up at DE on passing downs and rush the passer.
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Dee Milliner. Secondary is a sieve.
with the signing of Quin, resigning of Houston and Delmas. I liked 2 young CBs in Bentley and Green, and both can start for the Lions. CB is not a big need that many think they are, and I believe that Mayhew thinks the same as well. They do need a quality backup S just in case Delmas gets hurt.
They need more help at DE than at CB. Dion wouldn't play DE for the Lions but would play at SAM LB for them because of his ability to do a lot of things for the Lions defense.
As much as many think they do. It's not as big of a need as DE or SAM LB on defense. I also don't think Milliner is as good as the value at #5 overall IMO(to me, he's a late 1st rounder), and other CBs in the draft in 2nd/3rd round are just as good as Dee.
I tend to think they will go for Ziggy at #5 if that we're to happen.
Weird. Never heard of them.
You must not follow football then. They made the playoffs 2 years ago and have the best WR in the NFL.
a lot of people on this board say that stupid shit, also they're from the same city that the university of Michigan opened
Dion Jordan will be a hype bust, the guy never stood out during a Oregon game. I'd go the kid from BYU,Milner,and one of the OT's
but I teach at the high school that Dion went to out in Arizona. I spot at the football games as well, and while I have no great insight on what kind of pro he will be, I hope he makes it. What he went through his senior with the burns he suffered (if you've never read the story, here's a link, http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--perseverance-leads-oregon-s-dion-jordan-to-brink-of-nfl-after-accident-almost-ended-his-dream-023331504.html) and how it affected his recruitment really makes me want to see the kid succeed. I've never heard anything but good about him from the people who worked with him...
He is a freakish athlete who is a new breed defenders on combating against big and athletic TEs like Gronk, Hernandez, Graham, etc. that so many NFL team use them as a big mis-match.
I think this thread would be fine any time. It's a pretty big event and involves a lot of players from Michigan and players who have played against Michigan. Anyway, I almost think there's no way the Lions can mess this up. I just don't want them to take Ansah, I just don't get the hype with him. I'd like them to take Milliner but really anything from Dion Jordan to Eric Fisher would be fine with me.
...but most open threads are "day of", I guess that's why I gave the disclaimer. There's no live event, maybe I should've just called it "Discussion Thread"
My team will draft Denard Robinson. That's because the team that has Denard will become my team. I think he'd fit in well with the lions, iggles, or patriots.
I hear ya. I even tried to root for the Raiders after Woodson was drafted. That sucked
The Lions need both line help as well as secondary help, but I think a corner is a stretch that early. And given their cap situation, I'd rather spend whatever money on linemen than corners, at least in the short term. The lack of a running game and decent pass protection scares me
I made this (for the Detroit Lions) a month ago, although it's oozing with B1G Homerism in the late rounds and I obviously have no knowledge or expertise, it was just interesting to look at prospects and try to see what I would do.
1st Round: Eric Fisher (OT) - Central Michigan
1st Round [via trade with Denver Broncos*]: Bjoern Werner (DE) - Florida St.
4th Round: Tyrann Mathieu (CB) - Formerly LSU
4th Round: Ryan Swope (WR) - Texas A&M
5th Round: Earl Watford (OG) - James Madison
5th Round: Johnny Adams (CB) - Michigan St. / Terry Hawthorne (CB) - Illinois
6th Round: Jake Stoneburner (TE) - Ohio / Joseph Fauria (TE) - UCLA
7th Round: MarQueis Gray (ATH) - Minnesota
7th Round: Kenny Demens (ILB) - Michigan / Mike Taylor (OLB) - Wisconsin
*In trade with Denver Broncos, Detroit Gets: Denver's 1st, 4th and 5th round selections. Denver Gets: Detroit's 2nd and 3rd round selections.
They need safe picks unless they can figure out how to sign good fa's. They need to stay away from honey badger.
The Honey Badger is really good. But, he is too much of a head case for the Lions at this point. ***If the Lions went and got Woodson, that would make more since to have a mentour for Mathieu. I like Fisher or the other OT in the 1st round. The Lions need a running game.
but I have to agree on the Honey Badger. Haven't the Lions had enough idiots on their roster lately? That WR from Boise State, Suh seems to fairly regularly do some dumb things..seems like the Lions need less nut jobs
Fauria is a really good TE, I'd be psyched if the Lions picked him up that late. Better than Stoneburner, at least in what I've seen of them both.
1. Eric Fisher OT CMU
2. Alex Okafor DE Texas
3. Jordan Poyer CB Oregon State
4. Kenny stills WR Oklahoma
5. Devin Taylor DE USC NNTUSC
6. Ace sanders KR USC NNTUSC
7. Jake stoneburner TE/ Scheffler role Ohio
I wouldn't mind if in the fifth round....or to trade back into the fourth round...to take Lattimore, the injured RB from USC (not that USC). I think he is the best rb in the draft, and is a steal below the 3rd round, although he is there for the obvious risk involved
Mathieu will be taken in the late 2nd/early 3rd round. There is a possibility we could get Werner in the 2nd round, so not sure why we would give up our 3rd and 4th rd picks. I don't mind swope in the 4th. I'm not a fan of the rest of your picks though.
Here's what ESPN has...
I'll say Denard is a mid-late 3rd rounder, Campbell is late 4th/early 5th round, Kovacs is late 6th/early 7th and Demens is mid-7th round...
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was with his beard... either that, or he's put on a lot of weight since the season at 319 lbs.
I'm very intrigued by our draft possibilities. I haven't kept up with the offseason chatter but I assume we'll be after offensive playmakers at WR. Would have been after the top LT if not for Jake Long (woooo!) Can't wait to see what Fisher has planned for all his top picks.
Tavon Austin would be a monster in St Louie. That's a team to watch this year for sure. The NFC West is finally getting respectable again.
Especially on the defensive side of the ball. Was there a better defensive conference in the league last year? I don't think so, personally. Best part... the Rams had the best record within that division last year... just couldn't keep it rolling outside of the NFC West. OT Edit: Ah so you're the one who beat me to Solo Dolo. I would've gone with Solo Dolo Man most likely.... to hide my proclivities a bit more subtly.
I was going going to make it Mr Solo Dolo, but for some reason I didn't, obvs. I don't smoke anymore, ((most)real jobs aren't too keen about that), but I have no problem with it or people that do. Is yours from "Who's got the herbs" by 311?? That's what I always think (hope)when I see your screen name. Love me some 311.
I created this one for grasscity originally... back when sin semilla was never guaranteed.
Is that Austin has blown up to the point he goes to Buffalo, San Diego, or Tampa.. All drafting in front of St.L. Nice to see a another Rams fan on here though. I'm hoping he falls, but not expecting him to.
As a Chargers fan, I don't think they pick anyone other than Lane Johnson, Chance Warmack or Jonathan Cooper. And I think Buffalo picks either of the guards to replace Andy Levitre. TB doesn't need a WR that early, I think they go corner if the Revis deal doesn't work out. Bottom line, I'm trying to sway you with my unprofessional opinion that Austin falls to STL. They do need a guy like Austin pretty bad!
Revis to Tampa is essentially a done deal. He has to pass the physical still, but
I was hoping my Bucs traded back with St Louis or Minnesota because they both want Austin. They better not have given up too much. I'm sure they did because the GM's job is on the line. All or nothing type of season.
I'm also a rams fan and that is my fear too but that leaves a chance that one of the other three or four (warmack, vaccarro, cooper, fluker) prospects that could really help us on either side of the ball and they could also go best player available.
If the Rams grabed a saftey and a Tavon i would be happy. Or if one of the top two guards is avialibele during their pick (warmack or Cooper) i would take them over any of the safteys in this draft. Also i really hope they dont reach for Lacy, dont think he is that good of a RB.
I would be very surprised if the Rams took anything other than a WR, except maybe a LB. That defense looks like it is really coming around but Bradford has little help from his WRs. They are young, so a trade for a veteran or something may make more sense.
I figured we (rams) could still get a Fluker or Ogletree type at pick 22. The Rams have Washington's pick as well. RGIII.
They haven't had a player like Austin since Marshall. I also worry they continue to trade down to compile picks. At some point the team needs to get playmakers and not focus so much on depth. Only way to take the next step.
Fluker is probably of the board by the time the rams pick .
I see Will being a 5th-6th. Has too many measurables as a space-eating DT, maybe a practice squad guy for year 1 before becoming a solid platoon contributor.
CB Desmond Trufant from Washington, or the best DE that's on the board. I wouldn't mind the Donkeys taking all defense, and picking up a solid RB somewhere in the 3rd or 4th round. This team is gonna be fun to watch this year.
Carradine for my Giants. This guy is a stud, too bad he got injured pretty bad last year.
I remember him close to coming to Michigan. That would have been nice.
If Fisher is available then I hope they take him. If not then dee milliner. Ziggy Ansah is too much of a risk and the Lions could find a solid DE with their second pick.
All I know is that if the Lions draft Manti Teo I am picking a new team to cheer for.
As a Bears fan I second this if the Bears were to draft him.
Not sure of he could beat out Brad Smith...I heard that pick has been working out for them.
which means I don't want any of them to end up with the Lions, or with any of the other sad-sack franchises. It would be just like the Lions to draft head cases like Mathieu or Teo.
In the early rounds, I would prefer that the first three picks be - positionwise - OL, DE and CB in no particular order necessarily (although addressing the O-line and and end positions would be nice to get out of the way). I would think Eric Fisher, if available, would be a nice choice for the Lions if we go with OL help early. The safe pick - if available - for DE is probably Bjoern Werner, although Damontre Moore might not be a bad get here either. DeMarcus Milliner - if available - would be a great get too, but I wouldn't complain about Desmond Trufant at CB either.
I saw in this article in ESPN the Mag where the Lions 3rd round pick at 65 overall has more surplus value than the Jaguars number 2 overall pick. Hopefully the Lions don't fuck up their top 3 picks this year. I agree with you on those 3 positions being an absolute must for their first 3 picks. I would love to see Fisher in round 1, and depending on who is available in round 2 and 3, the best available corner or DE.
They need a starting LT, and Denard. Is Eric Fisher a Left Tackle?
Fisher is a LT but no way he lasts that long. We (Chargers) have the best chance at getting Lane Johnson to drop to us, but of course he's shooting up draft boards right now...New GM Tom Telesco wants to have better team speed and what better way than to add Denard into the mix of the many many possession WR's the Chargers currently have.
But thats what they need.
Yes he is
I'd love Denard to the Chargers, I'd go see him. Especially if they move to LA.
Bite your tongue. You are one of my favorite posters, but...No! LA needs to get a different team. I do not like your post. No no no. Bad post.
Denard to San Diego good.
Yeah, I don't blame you at all. I wouldn't want my team to leave town either. But if LA gets a team, I'd rather it be the Chargers than the Raiders or Jags or Rams or something.
But yeah, I love SD, and if I lived there I wouldn't want to have to come to LA to see my team play. I wouldn't want to have to come to LA for anything, for that matter.
Need to go back there. They shouldnt have left!
I would love to see Denard in SD, Detroit, New England or SF. Any of those would be awesome.
Long Answer: IMHO our two biggest needs are our outside pass rush, and offensive line. We have issues in the trenches. I think we need another corner besides Chris Houston, but I don't think it's our biggest need anymore. Our secondary last year was devastated by injuries more than lack of talent. We had 7 different safeties record multiple starts last year, but I think our secondary is already vastly improved over last years by returning Delmas and Spivey healthy. Bringing in Glover Quinn was huge and bringing back Ricardo Silva should also help our depth.
Offensive line depth is obvious. I think we could improve our entire defense by getting after the passer better. Draft a OLB/DE type and everybody's job gets a little bit easier. Watching Mattisons recent interview talking about the South Carolina game and getting after the passer helping the secondary makes me feel that even more.
Our first two picks should be between a top OT and a potential top OLB/DE whos stock fell for no good reason after the combine. Barrett Jones could potentially fall to the 3rd round at this point and would be a great value get to replace Raiola if he's still available the third time around for Detroit.
Short Answer: 1st Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher. 2nd Jarvis Jones. 3rd Barrett Jones.
I don't see Jarvis Jones falling to the 2nd. I think the Bears might be a player for him at 20 if he is there and a couple teams after the Bears could take him as well. I'd be very surprised if he fell into the 2nd. But then again, a lot of teams could have a no draft on him with his health and off field problems.
But I would take dee Milner if he's there. Other than that, I would love your scenario.
if Jarvis Jones was still there the Steelers took him at 17. No doubt in my mind he could play inside for Pittsburgh like he did at Georgia. If he's gone, and Kenny Vaccaro is still there, that would be another good pick.
Second Round, hopefully, DeAndre Hopkins. Big body, very quick and has strong hands. If not him, maybe Eddie Lacy. Justin Hunter, Ryan Swope and Robert Woods would be picks I wouldn't mind as well.
Third Round I would like Montee Ball is Lacy is gone and Ball is still there. John Jenkins would be a nice pick too if Ta'amu can't get his shit sorted. Hell, if Barrett Jones is there, they might take a punt on him and I would not mind.
2nd round for Swope might be a little early in my opinion. He will probably go 3rd maybe even 4th.
FWIW, In Kiper's 3 round mock draft, he has Denard going to the Bengals in the 3rd round (84 overall). This might not be a bad team for him to land on with a superstar WR already on the roster to learn from. Here is his brief take:
"Finally, late in Round 3, I grab Robinson. This draft is extremely light on players who scare defenses with the ball in their hands, and Robinson is an interesting guy to experiment with. Offensive coordinator Jay Gruden can find ways to get him the ball."
it would be bad for denard but i would watch the games.
I know I'll be tuned in no matter where he ends up.
I like taking either Joekel or Fisher in the 5 spot, but I believe that there is a great chance neither is there. If both are gone, select Milliner (or as a backup to that pick, take Chance Warmack). In the second round, I would take the OL out of UO Long. I like him at guard.
Tampa desperately needs help at corner. I'm really hoping they grab Revis, pending a physical, but that entire situation with the Jets is one big clusterfuck. If they don't get Revis, I hope they trade up to grab Milliner. After that, maybe even another corner like Jonathan Banks out of Mississippi State. A little help on the defensive line would be nice after that, and then maybe, just maybe, a slot receiver. With is where I'm hoping they take a gamble and draft Denard. They've got a great setup with Vincent Jackson and Mike Williams, but great teams have 3+ reliable options to throw the ball to.
Trading up for Milliner would be good, but I wouldn't mind trading back. Get more picks and don't reach for the other CB's. Maybe get Minny's 2 first rounds or somebody's 1rst and 2nd. If we trade with Minny, get the best CB and Eiffert. Then depending who's available the best CB or DL available. Take the opposite of round 3 in round 4 and a QB. Hopefully Tyler Bray.
Bucs send Jets their 1rst this year(13th pick) and a conditional 4th round next year which could turn into a 3rd round. Bucs signed Revis to a 6 yr/$96 million deal, but no guaranteed money. $16 million/year. I'm ok with this. I thought we'd over pay. Way to go Bucs!
Eric Fisher or even Chance Warmack at 5 for the Lions, in the 2nd I'd like the best DE available so maybe a Margus Hunt or Alex Okafor. In the 3rd I think they should get the best CB or best WR that's there do a David Amerson or Robert Woods. I really and I mean really would hate picking Milliner at 5, he's nowhere near the playmaker the lions need, he's solid but he's not a game changer.
My 49'ers go with the best available DB on the board. Then in the second they can take a Bjoern Werner and jump in Marcus Lattimore and in the 3rd grab Denard.
Patriots , somehow get Denard.
Thank you. Seriously though, wouldn't that be great?
I would really like to see my Vikes trade up to the 10-15 area to snag Austin. The offseason has been solid but we realllly need a stud WR to take the top off the D. I don't think he's worth trading both of the late 1st round picks we have, but on the other side if we have to give up those picks, that takes us out of Teo territory. Ideally we can trade up with a 1st+2nd and take a LB with the other 1st round pick....after the Bears select Teo of course (please please please). Later on, I wouldn't mind seeing Honey Badger in the late 2nd-3rd...we can handle that personallity. Swope in the 4th would be solid if we pick up a LB in the 1st. I'm still hoping we give Breaston a shot, if he can heal up he'd be a great weapon.
The Lions need help in the secondary, defensive line, and offensive line.
With that in mind, they will draft Geno Smith.
1. Xavier Rhodes (trade down to acquire a 2nd rounder)
2. Bjoern Werner
3. Matt Barkley
4. Marquise Goodwin
5. Akeem Spence
5b. Brian Winters
6. Joseph Fairia
We need a CB, a young QB a TE and line depth (offense and defense)
I want Ansah at 5. Has the highest upside of any player in this Draft, and is not as raw as everyone thinks. He’s just inexperienced (there’s a difference). I’d be ok with Fisher but he didn’t dominate the MAC like you would expect a top 5 pick to, and Milliner would be a reach at 5 (most overrated player in this draft IMO).
This would be my ideal mock for the Lion’s right now
1.Ziggy Ansah DE BYU
2.DJ Hayden CB Houston
3.Travis Frederick G/C Wisconsin
4.Luke Marquardt OT Azuza Pacific
5.Courtney Gardner WR Sierra CC
6.Lawrence Okoye DT/DE/ATH Enlgand
7.Vince Willams OLB FSU
And I'm hoping we have more than just Denard drafted. And I can't wait till we actually have a lot of guys to watch ger drafted in days 1 and 2.
Patroits getting Denard might eventually make up for Welker.