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OT- NFL Draft Day 3 Open Thread
I'm here with you. For a little while, anyway.
I plan on keeping ESPN's live tracker thing open on one of my monitors while I do work in my office this afternoon. So I may or may not post, depending on how work-focused I am.
Any thoughts on potential Wolverine draftees? I see Schilling in the 5th or 6th, with Webb a surprise pick in the 7th.
I predicted Schilling in the 4th round.
But I also said Mouton would get drafted in the 5th, and he obviously didn't last that long, so what do I know?
I posted a few days ago that I could see Webb or possibly Ezeh getting picked toward the tail end of the draft, so we'll see. Webb was under-utilized at Michigan, and his blocking was pretty damn good once he got bigger. I wish he would have redshirted back in 2007 so he could be returning for us in 2011.
Oh yeah, Ezeh! I could see a team taking a flyer on him in a later round given his early career performance and terrible defensive coaching the past couple years.
Going into this draft, I never would have guessed that this senior class could yield four draft picks, and it would be really surprising, but it looks like there's an outside chance it could happen.
I know Martell pretty well, I played basketball and football with him at PNHS although i have not spoke to him personally, i spoke to a mutal good friend Dontayo Gage and he told me that Martell is not expecting to get drated but expects to be a UFA and at least make a practice squad.
I'm a 'Skins fan and for so long the team has refused to actually draft players out of college, I'm excited that they're actually picking up picks. On the NFL Network they were just talking about how most of the players on any given NFL roster aren't first-day picks, and they are right. The picks made on Day 3 are crucial to NFL teams' success.
The Skins are hoping to have the entire 7th round all to themselves.
I hope my Chargers draft another Michigan Man. I was surprised with the Mouton pick, but I will gladly take it. I think Schilling will get drafted late in the 4th round, or early in the 5th. I also think Webb was under utilized. He would be worth a 6th or 7th round pick. Not so optomistic with Ezeh. Hopefully he gets drafted, but I just dont see it.
Body slam him after that?
Really curious to see what the Lions will do with their two picks today...and really glad Millen's not involved.
Were around too early? I actually like the guys they got, but it seemed liked they could wait to get them.
You really think the Bears will fall below the Vikings? That franchise is such a mess, there's no way anyone takes their bottom dweller status.
The good news? Regardless of who's on the bottom, it doesn't look like it'll be the Lions!
I still think Minnesota as a franchise is in a pretty wild tail spin. But point taken that Chicago is fast approaching a potentially nasty and protracted rebuilding era.
And a QB can carry an offense better than a RB. (Though I don't love Cutler). And the Vikings QB situation is a disaster.
But everyone is looking up at Green Bay for the forseeable future.
Yes, Green Bay is the clear favorite in the NFC North (obviously, they won the Super Bowl), but I think Detroit could legitimately be a contender. With Stafford (or even Hill) healthy, a slightly improved running game, and some upgrades in defensive backfield (all reasonable expectations), Detroit should win a lot of those close games that they lost last season.
Plus, that monster of a D-Line shut Rogers down last season (before he got knocked out of the game, I mean).
They traded their 4th.
I missed what actually happened with that yesterday. Detroit traded their 3rd and 4th round picks to get another 2nd rounder which they used to draft Leshoure?
Doesn't seem like that bad of an idea. Their run game was lacking last year, and as people pointed out in yesterday's thread (I read it this morning to see what happened), Best probably can't handle being an every-down back. Getting a solid work horse RB isn't a bad plan (whether or not Leshoure was a good option remains to be seen).
The Lions gave their third-round (75) and fourth round (107) picks to the Seahawks and swapped their picks in the fifth round (from 154 down to 157) and seventh round (from 205 down to 209).
I don't know, that doesn't sound like that bad of a deal. Sliding down a few spots in the 5th and 7th rounds doesn't strike me as a big loss, and they're really only one net pick down (i.e., they swapped from 3rd up to 2nd in exchange for losing their 4th round pick). I think I'm OK with that.
But if you're not sold on Leshoure, then clearly giving up anything to get him looks like a bad idea.
Because they did move up more than "a few spots". And the later round picks ARE interchangeable, but it just seemed like a bit of throw in desperation. Moving up to the end of the round shouldn't take more than an additional pick.
I look as the pick the other way...if he really works out, then it's a justifiable cost. But when you make these moves, they have to work out. Because they really CAN'T be spending another top two round picks NEXT year too on a RB.
That's a good point about next year's draft, I hadn't really thought of it that way. Fingers-crossed Leshoure is a solid RB in the pros.
I really like the direction the Lions are headed in, but I seriously can't wait until there's a draft in which the Lions aren't in clear need of so many different positions. It's like Millen had managed to put together a team with zero players on it.
0-16, remember? More seriously, while I didn't predict the first to put up that record ever, those that were going "playoffs!" after their preseason record, I was telling them they were nuts. I have never seen a team with less talent in my life, so the result, while surprising, wasn't crazy. Other than Calvin, and the kicker, who on that team would you have really hated to lose? I mean, a couple of guys were worth keeping, but no one you'd really feel bad about parting with.
Fans want to make the playoffs, but Lions fans have suffered for so long, they can get stupid at times too (plus there are MSU fans who like the Lions too). They aren't winning the Super Boel off this draft. So if they want to make their D-Line Awesome, and fill solid needs, they can pick running backs and receivers, and then use a 1 & 2 on young CBs and LBs (or O-Linemen) next year, where the draft might fall out in a way where guys they like better at those positions are available (not a great year this year for any of those positions). But you can't have complimentary high picks this year bust out and have to do it again next year. Then you're back to Millen's Lions.
Of the draft.
I would like to see Brandon Burton or Mark Herzlich fall to the 4th round and Detroit take one of them.
Everyone has fallen to the 4th at this point. And Lions don't have a 4.
i ment 5th round, brain freeze.
Besides bumping Tommy out of the Playoffs, it really takes something out of the Draft without their fans freaking out over every pick. Heck, the Raiders haven't even done anything crazy yet.
Yay, a WR to the Dolphins! More people for Henne to throw to. (I really want Henne to work out at Miami, but it's been some rough going for him.)
Poor Tandon Doss has just been sitting at the "Best Overall" spot on ESPN's draft-tracker page all day, and no one wants him.
No QBs. It certainly looks like they're doing all they can to help Henne.
From what I can tell, the franchise seems to be behind him. The fans, I think, are getting a little antsy, though.
Well, behind him or not, as long as fixing all their other issues comes before the QB position, it at least gives Henne time to solidify his place.
He can stay un-drafted. That way I don't have to see all of his highlights torching our defense.
Does anybody have the URL to the Justin Boren sitting on his ass at home eating donuts webcam?
Why in god's name would you ever want to see that?
The rumor is that he mistook the webcam for Easter candy.
I can dig it, hopefully he keeps it up. Liked the dude since I've seen him at the combine.
The Rams are not playing about getting WRs. Pettis in the 3rd round and now Salas. Sam will have some help this year.
When they have a CB drafted, and I don't really remember the guy doing any better than anyone else against us?
Watching that Nebraska kicker make all those FG makes me sad inside.
Well it looks like my Bucs are re-tooling their D. Last year, their first two picks were DTs and this year their first two were DEs. Plus they picked up a LB from Washington and a Safety from Florida. Looks like the new staff has a clue. If one of their late round picks can turn out like Williams from last year. I'd be extremely happy.
Hogue for Det. Got a LB. Nice.
Looks like the Lions picked up that OLB that everyone's been itching for. Any thoughts on Hogue? I know nothing about him, good or bad.
From a cuse blog:
"With his combination of size and speed, Hogue will draw some interest. He could be a good fit as a strong-side linebacker in a 4-3. He shows good sideline-to-sideline pursuit, but his instincts are average. Hogue started his college career as a running back and still is learning to play linebacker."
Maybe he's got upside over what he's shown. About all you can hope for in round 5.
The consensus is that he doesn't shed blocks well, but he's very fast and still learning to play LB because he was a hybrid LB/RB coming into college. With our d-line we need guys who can get to a spot and fill. I have a feeling we can occupy blockers just fine with the d-line we're putting together.
Nice pick in my opinion.
Bunch of love for the Lions there after the Schwartz interview. Me likey.
Without the Brady montage.
But Brandon Fusco C from Slippery Rock was drafted!
Fusco at 172
yet the "best LB in America" is still on the board, near as I can tell
Ha! Great minds think alike.
Not that I'm complaining, but is there a reason Greg Jones hasn't been picked up yet. There have been a fair number of ILB taken ahead of him. I thought he would have been taken by now.
EDIT: Jones has finally gone to the NY Giants as the 20th pick in the 6th round (185th overall).
They're just building an entire offense around Henne.
I'm always confused when teams don't get their picks in on time. Especially Washington just now. It's not like another team snagged their target right before them. How could they not have two players immediately on their list? Even if one of those players got snatched, they basically had twice the time to figure out who to take next.
EDIT: Ok, at this point it appears that there's something else going on with Washington, seeing as they still haven't picked anyone. I wonder what the deal is.
just went to the 49ers. Ahh Mlive memories from many years back
Little did he know how much playing time there would be at DB at Michigan.
The Huskies have had a few guys drafted, haven't they?
According to ESPN's very handy interactive draft-tracker, UConn has had two people drafted besides Todman. Anthony Sherman (FB) went to Arizona in the 5th and Lawrence Wilson (OLB) went to the Panthers in the 6th.
"Best Available" list. (10 out of a list of 10.)
There doesn't seem to have been a lot of OGs taken so far. Only 10 out of 185 picks so far (that at least seems low to me, could be a normal rate, though). Hopefully there's a late run on guards and Schilling can get picked up.
OG as one of Tampa Bay's two remaining needs while they're on the clock...
EDIT: No, they took a running back.
They need inside help, and have basically throwaway picks left. Developing a Guard might be as good a bet as any.
We need someone else drafted.
I'd be A-OK with Detroit taking him. Their line was pretty good last year (below average in run blocking, but above average in protection), but some of those guys are going to need to be replaced soon. Getting some young blood in there now would be nice.
But at this point in the draft, the way linemen are pushed down in rounds, you might find a diamond in the rough (or at least some quartz). It's not like you're going to find some super athletic CB that all the scouts have missed.
To ESPN, Schilling is the 7th best guard available...2 spots behind Boren. Who do y'all think will get drafted first?
and he's the only O-lineman on their ten "Best Remaining" list...
I'm confused, how could he be #7 for his position but be ahead of all the other O-Linemen overall?
On ESPN, he's the 7th best guard available. On CBS, he's the 7th best player available, and best OL available
[it's posted to the right of the current "on-the-clock" info.]
I looked on NFL.com and see Schilling's way down their O-line rankings.
No he's on their "unavailable" list. :-)
Greg Jones was just picked by the Giants in the 6th round, at #185 ... only 124 picks behind Mouton!
Chris L. Rucker.
Indy wastes a pick on Chris L Rucker. Applebees host in a year or two, if he stays out of prison.
Is a Pimp!
Schilling to San Diego also.
#201 San Deigo
The San Diego Wolverines!!! Schilling gets picked by the Chargers!
SCHILLING BEFORE BOREN!
Ronald Johnson was drafted? As a WR?
I remember when we were upset that we lost him to USC as a CB
They had a big time offense, and questionable D, but made only two of their picks on defense, and the 2nd not till the 6th round. Of the picks they kept, of course.
I've been watching the draft all afternoon, I step away for 15 minutes to go from my office back to my apartment, and I miss Schilling getting drafted! Damn it! (I also quick watching the 2nd round before Mouton got picked. Maybe I should just stop watching all together.)
Serisouly, though, huge congratulations to Mr. Schilling!
Would appreciate it.
After all that discussion between us about him... But if that's what it took for him to get picked...
On ESPN there was zero analysis or anything other than the scroll and the catch-up mention.
Get the O-Lineman, but wait too long to get Steve.
NFL.com's analysis of Boren's negatives:
Lacks height and length. Has trouble mirroring quicker interior pass rushers. Leans, lunges and struggles to sustain blocks at times. Only possesses adequate athleticism and will take some false steps. Character is in question after departure from Michigan mainly due to a new conditioning regimen and change in program atmosphere.
too far from his Daddy's tractor.
But there's a small part of me that's pretty happy that Justin Boren didn't get drafted.
Chances he stays in shape while in limbo wondering if he's even going to get a chance to sign as a FA to try out for a team's camp?
For mark herzlich to get drafted, but I think teams are afraid to take him because of everything that he has been through with cancer in the last few years. Hopefully he gets his name called soon.
NFL network just did a comparison between UM and the horror opponent in regard to draft picks. UM has 2 and App State has 3, at least at this point (5 picks left).
Anyone know how UFA works with the lockout going on.