The Vikings will use the Lion's pick to take Clausen, although personally I'm in the "Never Draft a QB" camp.
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The Vikings will use the Lion's pick to take Clausen, although personally I'm in the "Never Draft a QB" camp.
I said that last night before the trade. It made sense for them to trade down because the Colts, Saints, and Rams all have their QBs, so there was minimal risk of them trading down and losing Clausen.
That would be a good pick. It'd be cool to see Clausen with Weis again though too.
What's everyone hoping for in Round 3 from the Lions? I'm thinking it's got to be an OL and S in the 3rd and 4th.
Wide Receiver. Just so I can feel some familiarity with the Lions draft history.
I was so confused when the Lions didn't take Bryant at #2. I don't understand their strategy this year at all.
Preferably a flavor corner of some kind. I'm leary of OL depth in the 3rd round.
I read Coner instead of corner. I was like David Cone would be the perfect fit.
I disagree ...
While i have zero evidence whatsoever to support my assertion, I believe that good O-lineman can come from anywhere in the draft.
IMO O-lineman can come from nowhere because the position is predicated to an extent on strength and mentality. Those traits, unlike size and/or speed can be increased after the draft ...
I agree with you. But I expect there to be a rush on RB and OL in the 2nd round, and since the difference between a 3rd and 4th round OL may be trivial, I'd opt for the highest rated corner remaining on their board.
my thought was that the Lions' big need is left tackle, which is where I question mid-round selections. Plenty of solid interior lineman come from round 3... but starting left tackles are too valuable to fall.
IMHE, that is.
I'm hoping they try to trade up to the middle of the 2nd round to pick up an OT or DB, depending on what is left.
any predictions on the rams first pick?
The rams are gonna pull a "Minnesota Timberwolves" and use their top two picks on players who play the same position.
dog whisperer right now to kill time until the draft starts... he is helping 2 smoking hot twins with their problem dog... sun dresses rule...
I've got a beagle myself.. wife gets pissed when I call her MGoBeagle..
edit... when I call the DOG MGoBeagle..
3 of them: beagle, chocolate lab/beagle and black lab/beagle... by far the best dogs i have ever had... does yours snore like a human when she is sleeping???
all the time. We had some minor surgery last month on her to remove a few growths on her legs, so she had to wear the dreaded cone. Her snoring was amplified. It was terrible. Like the michigan cheerleaders shouting into those big cones.
She was all stapled and stitched together for a week or so, so she earned the name "slap chop".
hates it when the 3 dogs plus me are snoring... i've woke up a few mornings to find her sleeping on the couch or in the spare room because the snoring was so bad...
Denver will trade back a lot from their 2nd rounder, then trade most of those picks in order to take a player who isn't rated as the top at their position group, but is really high character. My head will also asplode.
the Lions trade back into the 2nd round now? Anyone hear any interesting rumors?
Who do you think will take Benn? Will Cleveland take McCoy?
I find myself so distracted by your avatar that I forget to read your comments. Marissa Miller is SO HOT.
So yesterday, we gave up our 2nd round pick and one 7th round pick, then swapped 4th round picks to get the Vikings' 1st round pick. I'm thinking we might be able to do a similar trade by trading our 3rd, 4th, and a 7th for mid 2nd and 5th round picks.
I'm looking at the 2nd round picks right now and we might be able to get one of the Patriots' 3 picks.
about day one of the draft is that the Lions are no longing the laughing stock of the league.
Thanks Josh McDaniels!
Thanks, Al Davis!
So they are admitting that basically either Alex Barron or Jason smith is a bust.
position changes for some of their line. couldn't they be moving someone away from one position to another?
this new guy moves to left tackle and Jason Smith goes to right tackle.
Back 7 or O-line....pretty simple what the strategy should be the rest of the draft.
with this pick? Seems like a big reach to me.
every single negative thing they said about the CBs drafted before him are about 2x more true for him. inconsistent, stiff hips, etc. etc. etc. can be slower than hell sometimes too. South showed a lot of Virginia games on the various channels in the sports package and all the commentary would be is how solid the guy is and then 8 seconds later he'd get blasted for a huge gain.
It will certainly be interesting to see where Clausen goes if it is not to Cleve, Wash OR OAK now that Minne took a CB. He could fall to the bottom of the 2nd (Minne again) or into the third.
What a turn of events!
for Oakland to do it at this point. they need a QB competition at LEAST. then they can shift russell to OT
Funny thing is it's conceivable.
Skeletor might think he is too much of a pretty boy for the Black Hole.
now THAT would be the best situation. better than anything.
his ass getting drafted by OAKLAND and then doing a contract holdout and missing a year.
oh god that would be epic.
Great point! That would be too good for words.
Bills'll need a QB, don't forget them...
Think he makes it past those 4 teams?
I'm hoping the Bills don't risk it and move up to grab him before the rest...but it's looking unlikely.
The Bills have the 9th pick in the 2nd round (41 Overall). I'd guess that they would jump at Jimmah.
Spiller/Clausen is a solid offensive foundation to build off of.
Wow. Nice job Tampa Bay.
stop watching ESPN.
it's about 40x better coverage. i don't want to see Brian Price dancing and fucking around. i wanna see him hitting bags and doing bizarre shit at the combine.
NFLNet is putting on a great show.
I love the draft, it's like christmas for me and without him it just wouldn't be the same.
Like that one relative we all have that we only see at the holidays and everyone is none to crazy about, but we stil love him cuz he's family.
If that makes any sense...
but I can't put up with Boomer any more.
I will give credit to espn to not having stu scott on the draft coverage.
DTs with their first two picks - I can honestly say I've never seen that before.
says we can reach on our picks too!
i don't think he's that much of a reach
but his combine was weak from most reports. Seemed like he would be around much later.
jamaal charles and thomas. i dont get this pick at all. i think hes gonna play slot WR i guess.
and KC needs to change it up as much as possible with their offensive scheme. he's got the speed and i've seen him lower his head
people sitting with the draft choice:
stfu. this is not about you. this is about the guy who bust his ass for 10+ years to make it to this point. stop hamming it up and trying to make it about you.
Dexter McCluster's sig other is nasty fwiw.
of course they'll be bizarro and take Benn but whatever
take colt mccoy. idk if i want them to. we'll see in about a minute
they're taking TJ Ward. why in the fuck is Taylor Mays in free-fall? i think he is more surprising than clausen at this point.
thats about it tho. not the best coverage skills. only reason i can think of
the bastard child of TJ MAXX and Montgomery Ward.
What the hell is up with Steve Young? He is like a 45 year old heavyweight fighter. Damn.
I've noticed this too. These guys get way too into these discussions. Although seeing fisticuffs would be excellent.
He just can't get out a well thought out point. It's kinda scary, actually.
that I've never heard of instead of Taylor Mays.
This is why you are the Cleveland Browns.
Did anyone else notice the Browns fan standing up and taking a picture right after they introduced Jim Brown? Mullet an handlebar mustache. True Ohioan there.
did Tampa Bay trade up to this spot or am i having a stroke? coulda sworn it was Oakland
Tampa traded up.
i mean... they didn't give up a whole lot to move up but... meh.
That picture has an immeasurable amount of fail in it.
I'd love to see Clausen end up on Oakland ...
He's a potential beast.
He could be the best WR in the draft. He could have even been a top 10-15 pick if Juice didn't suck so much.
Who would you rather have... Jimmy Clausen, or ANYBODY ELSE?
Mr. Else is currently winning, 39-0.
Don't you mean somebody else? I'm relatively confident any team in the NFL would pick Jimmy over any poster here--unless Mr Brady is in the house??
if Bills don't take Clausen i'm goin Muppets
They take McCoy
No one is doubting that Jimmy has way more upside, but McCoy is certainly the more team-oriented and coachable of the two ...
I don't know, anyone that took the amount of punishment Clausen did has to be a team player. He could have sat a couple of games last season and not hurt his stock, but he didn't sit. He toughed it out and earned a lot of respect.
IMO, outside of him being a giant douche.
There's reports of Kindle having bad knees which is why he has fallen this far:
Waiting for Holmgren to break his straight face while talking about how great of a coach Mangini is.
where colt mccoy is gonna go after seeing the browns and bills not pick him AGAIN.
getting a third rounder in the top of the second.
Threet sighting--drink. The memories are coming back!
You know you want JIMMAHH
At this point, with trades aside, Clausen should fall to at least 48th overall with the Panthers. I really hope he falls past the Chiefs again though.
There's no way that anybody could deny that Clausen's questionable character is not having an effect on his draft position right now. He's simply too talented to have fallen this far and especially past a team like Cleveland who has an amount of fail at QB only rivaled by that stupid MSU/ND picture on this page.
Mooch, Millen, and Charles Roogers
Holy eff Miami....Koa Misi from Utah!?!?
Draft Sergio Kindle!
They could've taken Hughes yesterday but "Nope"
As much as he is a d-bag, I think he a has chance to be a good to real good pro.
much like the Spanish Inquisition...
DENVER BRONCOS SELECT JIMMY CLAUSEN, QUARTERBACK, NOTRE DAME
I say he is 2 and done.
that is why he is dropping like a stone.
I can't believe they just passed on Jimmy C
Dude...JaMarcus Russell is just about to round into his own (pun intended).
i don't think Gronkowski is the sharpest knife in the drawer.
His interview on NFL Network made it look like he almost dropped a deuce in his suit ...
Went to elementary, middle, and high school with him. Can't say he's too intelligent, but he made National Honor Society. Of course, he cheated off of me in Spanish, my girlfriend in English, and I'm sure plenty of others elsewhere.
I'm still pumped to see a kid I went to HS with get drafted, though.
I wish Mel would stop saying "his stiffness bothered me". Brrrrr.
just say the Baltimore Raiders?
Glad I am not the only one who heard that.
Clausen droppin like it's hot
take huff and now houston...*sigh*
great pick ravens
Jimmah will go lower than Pat White.
I guess the League likes Rich Rod's QBs better than Charlie's after all.
heavy draft ever.
Which is why I said take Berry instead of Suh yesterday. Trade down, Berry in the first, trade down, DT in the second, Gerhart in the 3rd, trade up, OT in the 3rd. That would have been ideal.
that all DTs are not created equal. Some have been endowed by their creators with more HULK SMASH...
The Panthers have to be doing somersaults right now.
...for reasons that escape me
ESPN doesn't even list QB as a need for them
That was pretty emotional between Houston and Goodell. Any relationship there? I'm half paying attention.
must have signed Millen as a consultant.
Who the hell is Zane Beadles?
Only 28 more selections until my bears pick at #75
the cutler trade?
Jimmy? Is this Jimmy? Jimmy this is Grandma. Did anybody pick you to play on their baseball team yet?
there goes Clausen
edit: nope. lol.
This is not the pick I expected.
Alright, I would expect to see a rush of QBs now. Clausen, McCoy, then LeFevour by the end of the round?
Wow ... I guess there is something to media hype
Jimmaahh has been hyped from here to the moon and apparently was more a product of hype than talent
Panthers got pretty lucky here. Solid core around him, he could thrive in Carolina.
My thoughts exactly. I didn't think he would slide this far and I didn't think that they could pass on him either.
Claussen is going to have an opportunity to start ...
While he lost like 30 million by not making the first round, he still landed on his feet
Probably the only one too...good value pick for us.
Taylor Mays just went off the board too.
with this pick, instant starter.
I'm not so sure ...
the knock on him is mental ... remember how awful it was when Stevie Brown was deep and got burned/juked?
I gotta think that a guy like Singletary could turn Mays into an absolute monster. Panthers and Niners restore order to the draft with two solid picks.
Edit: Chiefs too with Arenas. Another nice pick.
with Arenas and Berry.
Anybody know a lot about Griffen? I thought he was a borderline first rounder.....Lions have to take him if he's there, right?
I lot of people are saying he's a first round talent, he'd be a nice pick at this stage of the draft.
Where's that thread talking about white players inevitably being compared to other white players? I mean, is there any resemblance between Gerhart and Alstott outside of them being white?
trade up and grab Charles Brown. I doubt he'll be there long enough to make it possible, but still...
They were both big college running backs. They also have the same number of letters in their name. They are basically the same player
I'd like to see the Eagles take McCoy here.
Edit: good trade down for them if they are going to take McCoy.
they god rid of McNabb because they believe in Kolb - no way they would go QB.
They said they got rid of him because they believe in Kolb.
care about character concerns.
I hope Bruce Campbell or Everson Griffen fall to Detroit. Either one of those guys would be an excellent pick at this juncture.
would be a great pick at this stage of the draft, seems like the Lions might get a stud in the third round if some of these picks keep up.
I think of him as the bizarro Brandon Graham. Tons of talent but little work ethic, often in disputes with coaching staff, and very little production. Then he comes out early after a not-so-stellar season. He has the ability to blow up in the pros but I wouldn't want to take a chance on him.
Campbell would be a terrific pickup, even though he's more of a RT.
Campbell is one of the most athletic LT prospects in the draft. That being said, I was glad GB didn't pick him at 23. Workout warrior that didn't show up in games.
Now in the 3rd round, I think he'll be a hell of a pick. I hope GB takes a Veldheer, Campbell, Brown. Still a bunch of good LT projects on the board.
I didn't realize Torry Holt signed with New England. Nice signing Pats!
DeSean Jackson vouches for Donovan Warren on the ESPN live draft chat:
deseanjackson10: On a side NOTE; that draft got me hot! Pickn all these weak c0rners! B4 My LiL bro DWarren. Means I gotta serve ALL the teams that passed up
Didn't all the teams pass up on him, almost twice now?
Does that mean he's just going to play hard every game? I hope so.
I guess he could take it easy vs. the Bears.
Do the Browns really think they can win with Delhomme/I don't even know who their backup is?
They know it will take more than one year. So I think what they are doing is trying to get things ready for a future QB to come in.
can win. They know for a fact they can lose.
Seneca Wallace is the backup BTW and no one can win with Delhomme.
Is there really a chance that the Lions can get Bruce Campbell or Everson Griffin? Even Golden Tate would be fine...this is a crazy draft.
the Seahawks have had a nice draft.
I really think they have had the best draft so far.
I love the Jets fans reaction video. Can't wait till the later rounds and they unleash the "QBs taken ahead of Brady" video. (Surprised we haven't seen the Mel vs. Tobin video yet).
Mardy Gilyard to the Lions at #66 overall
Better WRs are available...Decker, D. Williams...I know he has KR ability but we have more needs
Does everyone realize that tOSU hasn't had a player drafted yet?!
Charles Brown off the board. Down goes one of the good project LTs. And there goes Veldheer. Looks like Campbell's the last of the Round 2-3 LTs left.
PS. I hope TT knows what he's doing taking Mike Neal. Not really a huge position of need and could still have taken a LT to shore up the OL for the future. We'll see how that plays out.
Lots of talented WRs left as well. Decker, Lafell, Shipley.
As long as the Lions don't screw this up, they have some great options here.
depending on what the Rams do - we have a shot at Everson Griffen or Bruce Campbell - first round talents in the 3rd round.
Spivey should be a solid player. Im still scratching my head as to why the Lions shun OL, but got a solid guy in Spivey.
any good OL available #66. The CB is a huge need for the Lions.
Veldheer and Campbell have a chance to be really good LTs. Like I said, Spiveys a solid pick. Lions gotta find OL help though.
You think Detroit actually thinks they are OK with Backus at LT? Seems like it if they haven't drafted OL yet.
Yes, I think Detroit is fine with Backus at LT. In the best of worlds, Detroit gets a LT and throws Backus inside, where he should be. It would make the OL alot stronger.
Theres still a elephant in the room though. Thats Jared Gather being available. Ravens have their OTs and want to get rid of the contract. He's a Pro Bowl LT and only 24 I believe.
be a good pick at #66. He's overrated and plays with terrible technique(he literally back-pedal instead of kick step). He doesn't play with mean streak and tenacity. He didn't really dominate D2 at Hillsdale like a guy in his size should have done. He was very good, but not dominant.
He's a big time project.
agree to disagree. I think he could he a really good LT in a year or 2.
After Campbell and Veldheer, its a big drop off on OL. They were the last of the 2nd tier OL. Now you can look for Selvis Capers, Mike Johnson, Ciron Black, Ed Wang.
seen him play at Hillsdale? I have a couple of times and he is a huge project. He needs at least 3 years before he's ready to play in the NFL. He's a definition of boom or bust prospect.
and I think he could be serviceable for the first year and could end up being really good in 2 years with NFL coaching.
just when I was starting to believe in the new regime.
He was all-conference, I seriously don't remember hearing this guy's name once all year though. Fucking meh.
And I can't say I remember the Lions pick.
if you can't remember him
Bur then scoring wasn't our problem. Hair pulling turnovers and uncovered tight ends were.
I actually wanted the lions to get this guy with their 4th round pick. He is better than people give him credit for. Hes very physical. Everyone thought Levy was a terrible pick in last years 3rd round and he turned out to be good. I sill want to see who this secret linebacker is Gunther has been talking about.
So this guy next door got locked out of his apartment yesterday and I drove him to his friends' house where he had an extra key. I have just been chilling here watching the draft and he just showed up with a case of Heineken as a thanks for driving him out there. What a guy! Best draft ever.
Good enough for me...
The people who are paid to know what they are talking about.
Tebow's shirt is so awesome. So glad I have the same one.
There OL is fine for now. What they HAVE to find are CB's(check), safety, and a OLB. Those are infinitely more pressing needs than drafting a OL who will sit for at least a year.
Campbell is a garbage player. Great measurables, but he hasn't done anything on the field. Campbell would have been a Millen pick.Speivy meanwhile excelled as a CB in Iowa's defense. He could play safety if CB doesn't work out. He fits a need eitherway.
I would agree with you. I think Campbell is a good risk to take in the 3rd. After Campbell, the LT talent drops off far.
I don't get how people can't see that the Lions absolutely HAVE to have OL help. Their OL is garbage and until they fix it( yes they need to fix it) they are still a mediocre team.
But I agree on Spivey. Hes a good pick at that spot.
It isn't elite, but it is far from bad. They do need a LT, but that player isn't Bruce Cmapbell who did ABSOLUTELY nothing on the field at Maryland. Why you would waste a 3rd on a a workout warrior who in all likelyhood would not help the Lions?
Kelly Butler, Juan Roque, Aaron Gibson..ugh, I've seen enough crappy OT's come through Detroit. They should be smart and wait until next year when they will surely have another top ten pick and draft a guy then. Wasting money on a chump like Campbell is no answer.
They got themselves a guy who at the very least can be a capable nickle CB or a solid S to go with Delmas.
So you really want to have Stafford getting banged up for another year? You have to protect your QB, and the Lions simply can't do that.
Out of the top 5 OL on the lions, there's only 2 that I would consider to be decent or have potential and thats Cherilus at RT and Sims at one of the guards. If the Lions were smart and moved Backus back to a more natural position for him, guard, I would consider him to be a pretty good option. Backus just isn't a LT. And even then, they aren't anywhere near the top of the league when it comes to talent. Lions need alot of talent infused into the group.
Theres still 4 rounds left. Campbells graded pretty high for the 3rd round. Lions don't like him? Fine. Now what are they going to do in the last 4 rounds to fix it? Not too many options with the upside of Campbell.
Lions have been a bad team forever. Look back and find one common theme for all these teams. Bottom 5 in the league OL play (garbage). They HAVE to fix it. Until they focus on fixing it, they'll continue to draft skill players and they'll continue to bust out.
by GB. Needed a physical safety and got him in round 3. Good Job.
On Friday night.
God, I lead an exciting life.
Huh. And I thought it had as many players in it as every year, barring the odd extra one awarded by the League.
ESPN's coverage has been brutal. Kiper, Gruden and TJ are solid, but Boomer and Young are seriously awful and bring the other three down bigtime.
Young- "Well, he didn't have a choice". Shut up Steve.
Is he trying to be a dick?
And Boomer, who does have a rep as kind of a dick, doesn't even seem like he wants to be there. He bristles at directors, guests, co-hosts. Man...you work 10 hours a month. Get over yourself.
As I said yesterday, Gruden surprised me how full of win he is, Kiper is Kiper - always fun/funny, and Jackson is the gold standard.
Edit: but ESPN, it's like tradition. I can flip over to NFL Net, but I can't turn away.
Colt McCoy's girlfriend is pretty hot.
The Horror....the horror....
ESPN has Warren as the 8th best corner left. Minor is the 8th best RB left. Maybe he will get taken in the 7th round. Lefevour may be the next QB taken, although Kafka and Pike are up there.
2/3 of the Tony Moeaki highlights were vs. Michigan.
And the no OSU players taken is going from mildly humorous to scary in that they are losing nobody.
This draft is taking a turn for the depressing.