I'm curious if Schilling will be drafted (not only today, but at all). Seems like 50/50...he's buried on most pundits' OL draft boards.
OT: NFL Draft Day 2 Open Thread
I wouldn't put much weight in pundits' draft boards. Most of them aren't real scouts and build their boards off of information fed from team insiders. Information becomes much more scarce as the draft moves on. Plus, later round draft picks are much more about what a specific team/scout sees in a player rather than consensus thought.
Nice pick the Lions had yesterday. As a Bills fan, the people I was with all erupted when you took Fairley. Fairley and Suh is downright scary.
Bills took Dareus which I was thrilled with. I'm hoping they snag Bowers at 34. Hope the 2nd round is as whacky as the first.
I didn't like the Fairley pick as his expressions when on the phone tell me he’s not excited at all to be in Detroit. I can only hope Suh’s work ethic rubs off on him, he doesn’t appear to be the most motivated player.
I read somewhere today that he said he's ready to get to work and play his butt off or something like that. Put it in perspective, for a long time he was supposed to go anywhere in the top 3, then he slips to number 13. Not only that, but what Lions fan actually thought we would pick him? I'm pretty sure everybody thought we were taking Prince with that pick. I'm hoping that was more of him being pissed at the 12 teams that passed on him.
"I am a hard worker," Fairley said in a short telephone interview. "I am willing to come in, work my tail off and earn everything I get."
He said he wasn't bitter or bothered by slipping to 13.
"You never know what's going to happen on draft day," he said. "For Detroit to pick me, it's a blessing. I can't wait to get to town and get this thing started."
Schwartz needs to walk up to Fairley with Suh and Vanden Bosch and grin. I'm pretty sure he'll get the message.
I wouldn't want to get on the bad side of those two either.
to get all those picks for the 6th spot is a crazy deal. That might trump the Roy Williams deal with the Cowboys. Falcons just passed up the opprotunity for some decent depth in the future to win this year.
Have you seen Roddy White's twitter since last night? Sounds like he's not too impressed with the Falcons' decision to trade away all their picks for Jones (though, he seemed excited for Jones himself): http://twitter.com/roddywhitetv
Agreed. I also think, although Julio is a great talent, he isn't the type of WR the Falcons needed. They needed a true vertical threat to stretch the field, Julio is great. But I don't see him being the vertical threat they needed. AJ Green would have been a much better fit.
That and his hands are not that great. He drops quite a bit of easy catches.
Didn't they say the same thing about Braylon? They both make the realy difficult catches but drop many easy ones.
Winner: Saints for sure
Loser: Vikings, IMO Ponder was a reach at 12(?)
As a Pats fan, I hope they don't trade this pick too, they need to get a solid RB and some help in the DL and LB areas. I don't see the bottom end of this year's draft being quite as strong / deep as years' past, but that's me.
I think the defense has gotten weaker as some guys got older and others moved on. They need to bring in some good young new talent to help out Wilfork and Mayo in the front seven. They have a lot of picks in these next two rounds. I hope they bring in some quality players.
Yeah the front seven is a little weak. Wilfork and Mayo are the best players on the defense and the secondary is decent, but I agree they need guys to help Wilfork out. A nice rush end would be a huge pick up for the DL.
DMC is looking like a shutdown corner. BMW is great when his head's on straight. Chung is great when healthy. I mean they could may be use one more player in the secondary, but I think their main problem is in the pass rush as you said. Getting a bulldog down there to make up for the loss of Seymour from a couple years ago would be nice. I expect Belichick to stockpile a bit....or at least I hope.
Yeah... I guess I am not too worried because Belichick has proven time and time again that he can get just about anyone to be a serviceable player, whether it be on offense or defense. We will just have to wait and see I suppose.
I hope they draft some sort of rush OLB, I think they can get better value by waiting for a RB in the later rounds.
I like Daniel Thomas from K-St. is he is available in the later rounds.
They need someone more than "serviceable" when they get into the playoffs...
Agreed on McCourty. Halfway through his rookie season last year teams were already avoiding throwing to his side of the field. Although I suppose that could also be because we had the poo poo platter for CB on the other side. Getting Leigh Bodden back this year is gonna be huge for that secondary.
I'm kind of ambivalent about the Lions' pick yesterday. Of all the units, D-Line was already the best, so it seemed odd to spend a first round pick on it. Also, I absolutely hated Fairely with Auburn, and I'm having a hard time coming around on liking such an unapologetically dirty player.
Then again, Fairely was clearly a "oh shit, that guy's still available" pick up. And the D-Line will be even more killer with some added run-stopping ability. I'll try to hold back too much judgment on how the Lions did until the rest of the draft shakes out. They can easily pick up solid CBs, LBs, and/or OLs in later rounds (especially, since round 1 was almost nothing but DL and questionable QBs; speaking of QBs, will Hill still be around next season?).
I don't see any Michigan players going before the 4th round. I think Schilling and Mouton will both get drafted at some point, maybe Webb, but not until later.
He has number one overall talent, so if you can get that type of talent where the Lions did, you have to be happy. Sometimes, it is the best thing to take the best available player. Defense wins championships, so if you can get more talent on that side of the ball, which I believe the Lions did, they can improve their team. I'm not a Lions fan, but I think the Lions are a team I'm going to keep an eye on in the coming years. They should pick up some lineman though, so Stafford doesn't die.
The line wasn't that bad. Stafford got hit less than the league average. He got hurt on a play where he held the ball, and ran out of the pocket. A defender made a shoe string tackle and the guy fell on his shoulder. I don't normally defend Lions offensive lines, but they are not dying for an OL.
I agree about last season's OL. I think everyone is just used to the Lions having a terrible line, combined with Stafford (and Hill) getting hurt, the knee-jerk reaction is to assume the Lions need to pick up O-Linemen. I think they need work in the run game, but QB protection wise, they were in the top 3rd of the leagure (see my comment further down for actual rankings).
Thanks for backing me up with the info. Not only was I too lazy to look up the stats, I was too lazy to actually read the rest of the thread. I did "moderate" you with plus ones, or at least I tried to.
We Lions' OL apologists need to stick together.
I think Webb will end up being a steal for some team in the later rounds. The worst 1st round goes to the Patriots. Yeah it's great you have all these picks but what good is it if you never use them for 1st round talent? They clearly have needs that need addressed and when Brady is gone so goes the Patriot dynasty. So why not use them now? They have become full of themselves in thinking they can win SB's while handing off to Danny Woodhead. 30 teams took a shot at getting better yesterday and they weren't one of them.
Brooks Reed was a borderline first rounder, anyway, so if they can get him in the second round, good for them. The Patriots have done very well with lower picks and veterans, so I trust them to get good players, regardless of where they select.
Not as good as you think and the only reason you can plug in old beat up RB's is because they only carry the ball 8 times a game anyway.
The Patriots haven't had a RB since Corey Dillion. I don't think any of the RB are worth first round picks and they can get better value from RB in the later rounds anyways. The Patriots know what they are doing.
Laurence Maroney would like a word with you. Seriously though they do pretty good for themselves but they are not the draft gods most make them out to be.
And his limited return burned them bad. Might have cost them a Super Bowl too.
I see Aaron Hernandez (4th), Zoltan Mesko (5th), Sebastian Vollmer (2nd), Brandon Tate (3rd), Julian Edelman (7th), Rob Gronkowski (2nd), Stephen Gostkowski (4th), Ellis Hobbs (3rd), Nick Kaczur (3rd), Matt Cassel (7th), Asante Samuel (4th), Dan Koppen (5th), Tully Banta-Cain (7th), Deion Branch (2nd), Jarvis Green (4th), Matt Light (2nd), and Tom Brady (6th).
All of those guys have been key parts of very good teams in New England.
Additionally, they pick up "old beat up RB's" but they also get guys like Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison, Junior Seau, etc. who fit in nicely.
Their strategy works, so you can't really argue with it too much. It helps that they do well with their 1st round picks, but hey . . . they've been winning for the better part of the last couple decades. They must be doing something right.
I agree but most of that success for these lesser known players falls on Brady's shoulders. Branch and Moss for that fact are mediocre at best when he isn't throwing him the ball. Seau did about jack shit for them as well. My point is that while they do well, this team isn't getting any younger and by that I mean Brady. He may only have a few more runs left in him so why not sign some immediate impact players. I just think they are over playing their hand at this point.
Does it really matter if Moss isn't a great blocker when he catches 22 touchdowns? And sure, you can say that Brady is responsible for most of it...
...but Matt Cassel played fairly well for them...
...and Drew Bledsoe was a good quarterback who went to a Super Bowl prior to Brady.
Junior Seau had 74 tackles, 3 interceptions, and 3.5 sacks on the 2007 team that went 16-0. That's not exactly "jack shit."
It'll be what, 8 years since they've won one? Eventually you have to stop resting on what you did in the past, and worry about striking for a few more before Brady retires.
They went 16-0 and got to the Super Bowl three years ago.
They went 14-2 last year.
I don't think they're exactly resting on their laurels.
After dominating the regular season they keep struggling against defensive minded teams in the playoffs. Giants, Ravens, Jets. They don't need draft picks, they need to rebuild the defense to go with their elite offense. Because when they were winning it all, they were doing it with Brady and nobody on offense, but a good team defense.
Ok so I you plucked Seau's good year. NE is becoming the Colts in the way that they win a ton of games in the regular season but can't win the SB. When defenses dial it up in the playoffs you need players to make plays, which sometimes requires elite talent. NE never had a dominating defense and it is exposed now more than ever. You can rattle off all the names you want but the bottom line is Brady is that team.
Yes, of course Brady is their team. EVERY franchise quarterback "is the team." Do the Broncos win Super Bowls without John Elway? No. Do the Steelers win Super Bowls without Ben Roethlisberger and Terry Bradshaw? No. Do the Green Bay Packers win Super Bowls without Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers? No.
And guess what? Brady was a LATE PICK, which supports my original comment, which said that New England has done very well with late picks and veterans.
I'm sorry I cherry-picked Junior Seau's best season, which was a pretty good season (74 tackles, 3 picks, 3.5 sacks) for a team that went 16-0. But let's see here... Choose one of the two following options:
a) I said New England has done well with late picks and veterans.
b) You said Junior Seau "didn't do jack shit."
Tell me your statement is more accurate than mine. I dare you.
Furthmore, as for your comment that "New England never had a dominating defense and it is exposed now more than ever."
In the years that New England won the Super Bowl, they were 6th (2001), 1st (2003), and 2nd (2004) in points allowed per game. They were also 2nd in 2006, 4th in 2007, and 5th in 2009. So they've had top six defenses at least 6 times in the last decade, at least according to points allowed per game.
I look forward to your refutation of my factual statements.
So true Magnus. They really seem to get a lot of value with their late picks.
I agree about Fairley as a person, but he was by far the best player at that position and I suspect nobody was willng to trade up. That line will be terrifying.
I agree about Fairley as a person, but he was by far the best player at that position and I suspect nobody was willng to trade up. That line will be terrifying.
I hated Fairley at Auburn too. I think his actions were questionable at times, but I don't want players who pick daisies in their free time, especially on defense. I said yesterday how I wanted other teams to fear playing us. If other teams don't want him hitting their qb then they better find a way to stop him. People keep talking about his character, but it's not like he's going to be the face of our franchise; we have Stafford, Suh, and CJ for that.
We've been getting our asses kicked for as long as I've been alive, and once we finally start putting a real team together, people start bitching that one of our players is dirty. Everybody qb in the league crapped their pants once we drafted him. Mayhew used to play with the D-line coach at Auburn, and he was impressed with Fairley's personality. We'll be able to find starting corners and linebackers in free agency and in the later rounds. You can't find a Nick Fairley in free agency.
This isn't all in a response to you, and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth or anything like that. Just trying to add to the discussion.
I completely agree that Fairely is a great player and that the Lions' D-Line is going to be a terrifying force. I've never been more excited for the Lions in my life than I am this off season, and it's just an added bonus that the basis for that excitement is a brutal D-Line. I just don't want to see Fairely out there using his facemask to grate an opposing QB's face.
It's not about the other team finding a way to stop him. "Dirty" doesn't mean he plays hard or hits hard. It means he's the kind of guy who will spear QBs in the back after the play is done.
On top of being the kind of play I don't want to see on the field, period, let alone for the team I'm rooting for, if you want a concrete reason why dirty players are bad, just think of the penalties Fairely will get if he doesn't play cleaner in the pros. Suh was catching a ton of personal fouls that didn't exist. Imagine how many Fairely wil get if he's actually committing them.
I don't support any of the controversial hits/after whistle bs he pulled last year. I also don't want him getting penalties because he's out there playing like a pissed off teenager. I think that his dirty play was a result of immaturity and his "mean streak". I think with the guys around him, he'll tone it down a bit. Hardly anybody was calling out Suh for being a dirty player after that late hit on Delhomme last year. I realize that something like that is completely different from the controversy that Fairley brought last year, but I think/hope to God it won't be a major problem once he gets to the NFL. I think the coaching staff and surrounding players won't put up with his shit the way that everybody at Auburn did. I like that the kid plays with emotion, similar to Suh. Too much of it, however, is not good, and he needs to work on that.
Would like to see the Lions pick up an LB or CB. Some mock drafts have us getting CB Brandon Harris (Miami). Yeah, yeah, I know it's a mock draft.
I think the Pats are gonna use all 3 of their picks in this round only because every time I think I have Belichick pegged he does the exact opposite of what I was predicting.
I'm really hoping the Steelers get Ras-I Dowling, I'm really pissed they drafted Cameron Hayward in the first round... damn OSU grads.
This was a good name to throw out...
made their secondary better by drafting Fairely, the quarteback has that much less time to get rid of the ball with him and Suh rushing up the middle.
I hate Nick Fairley.
Anyway...I definitely think we'll have to wait until tomorrow to see any Michigan players get picked. Not many offensive guards/centers have gone so far (only Watkins and Pouncey, IIRC), and even though I heard at one time that Schilling might be a 3rd rounder, I think that's overly optimistic.
I hope Akeem Ayers or Ras-I Dowling fall to the Lions. Selfishly I'd prefer Dowling. But just grab a damn cornerback. If they don't, I guess I'll just hope it's a sign they think they can re-sign Houston and they like Alphonso Smith.
They need offensive linemen. They've needed offensive linemen for years and years and years. Personally, I don't give a s*** about cornerbacks, because they need to keep Matt Stafford healthy. That should be priority #1 right now.
Jeff Backus, as much as I like him, is getting old and I don't trust him protecting Glassford.
The Lions' offensive line wasn't actually that bad last season. They were a bit wanting in the run game (20th in YPC; 24th in attempts), but they were definitely above average in QB protection (6th in sacks; 10th in QB hits). I agree that a better OL is needed, but last season's offensive line was definitely not nearly as bad as the seasons before it.
*Rankings are from the NFL website.
Yeah, he's good. But, as someone said, the D-line was already an area of strength. And the guy brings a lot of baggage with him. IMO, the Lions need to upgrade their offensive line as a #1 priority. They have a stud WR, franchise QB, and a great back. But, they need a better line to protect Stafford and block for Best. Yes, I agree that they also need a CB and Linebacker. But, I'd go for a couple linemen with their remaining picks for sure. Or maybe go for a good free agent if one's available.
Jim Schwartz made a good point yesterday when he said that we started winning games at the end of the season because our D-line was coming together. We won 4 games in a row with a below average secondary and without our starting qb. I love the Fairley pick as long as he comes in and works his ass off. I'm hoping for Brandon Harris or another corner in round 2 and a linebacker in round 3. Maybe Bruce Carter or Greg Jones will be available. I also really like Casey Matthews if he's available in round 4. Everybody saying we wasted our first round pick needs to wait for the draft to be over because you never know (especially with this staff) who we'll end up picking.
Anyone who says we wasted our first round pick is an idiot. Having the best DL in the league can make up for a lot of other deficiencies on a team, and we may have set ourselves up for exactly that. There weren't any OTs worthy of the #13 pick I don't think, and Fairley will have more of an impact than any LB or CB that was available. We'll grab some solid O-linemen and other defensive players with the rest of our picks.
Anyone who says we DIDN'T waste our first round pick is an idiot. We have 1st round money now invested in 2 people at the same position. With the salary cap, we cannot afford elite level players at each position group if we are investing a lot of money to just one of those groups. After the 1st round, we still need every single high-priority position that we did before the draft even began. We may be able to get to the QB more easily, but that certainly won't stop our OLBs and CBs from being taken advantage of. Double moves, 5-wide sets, screens, etc. can all be used to tame an aggresive Dline.
How this is not being compared to WR I, WR II, WR III is beyond me. Now, if we had a rookie salary cap, I would be upset, but not as upset. You just can't, in this league, have 2 1st-rounders at the same position and succeed as an up-and-coming team.
4:59pm Thursday: OT, OLB, CB
4:59pm Friday: OT, OLB, CB
As for impact, both Smith and Prince would've had a bigger impact because they would be an upgrade at a position of need.
With KVB back, I think we could've had the best DL in the league without Fairley and an upgraded back 7 with a 1st round CB.
"Anyone who says we DIDN'T waste our first round pick is an idiot."
You're not afraid of hyperbole, are you?
When they're building a team that can, not just make the playoffs. They're not filling all their holes in one season. But they may have a dominant unit at the most important spot after QB. They're choices were the rare chance to get elite talent at one of those positions, an inside O-lineman rather than an outside one, maybe the 3rd best CB talent-wise (a position of risky value), and a weak draft for LBs. They have a chance to have what every defense wants- control the line with just your linemen, and put everyone else into coverage. They can get value DBs and LBs and linemen in later rounds, and get someone excellent there with their #1 next year. If they improve, there won't be any great D-Linemen available there.
And comparing defensive linemen to receivers....I mean, really? Check and look...first round is full of QBs and D-Linemen, not receivers and CBs, for a reason.
There are three position groups that win you football games. QB is obviously one, defensive line is the second, and offensive line the third. Make one of those three an overwhelming strength and you're in good shape.
You Sir are wrong.
As a Bears fan, I'm still in shock that the Bears drafted a guy at a position of obvious need who actually looks like the right pick. But because it's a Bears draft with Jerry Angelo and therefore they are required to screw up something in the first two rounds by league rule, they botched a trade with the Ravens.
I get the Fairley pick, I bet the Lions had him graded so much higher than anyone else on their board that they figured they had to go for it. You can hide your secondary better when the QB is regularly running for his life. Their D-line is ridiculous now, with star power AND quality depth. Maybe grab a corner or linebacker in the second now, and take a shot on some guys for the o-line and back 7 in the later rounds as well. They're doing a nice job on building the team, now if Stafford could just stay healthy...
My Bucs picked up Clairborne. I'm really happy with that. Our line is gonna be pretty good this year as well.
That is a solid pick for the Bucs. The B1G was loaded with DL this year, 5 of them in the first round. Do you guys go with LB in the 2nd or something else?
We got the steal of the second round in Bowers. If his knee is not an issue. Looks like our D-Line is going to be preety good and hopefully for a long time. They picked up a LB with their third pick. Espn says that we had the best Day 2.
This Mallett discussion is really interesting, especially what Steve Young said he'd heard (that pretty much everyone I talked to said "I wouldn't want this guy on my team")
Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia
Like the name at least, and he plays defense...
2 cb's drafted in a row. I'm starting to get nervous one won't be there at 44
I hope Aaron Williams isn't better than Dowling.
Daltons girl is hot!
Huge Jugs! Whats she doing with the ginger?
Harbaugh and Mallett would have been a funny combo?
I don't know how responsible for the 49ers' picks Harbaugh is compared to the higher-ups, but their first two picks seem a little iffy to me.
I'm not a big fan of Kaepernick or Smith.
But then, I still have it in my mind that he wanted all this control...even though it looks like he didn't get it. You want to succeed or fail on your own merits? Coach college. Or win a lot of Super Bowls.
When Stanzi gets picked, how many times will he mention his love for America?
The Internet yet?
Mallett falling this far is a big surprise to me.
I hope the Vikings take him right now, just to confound everybody even more.
He would actually fit what the Vikings do really well. Get the ball downfield, play action with Adrian Peterson, etc.
I didn't mean that Mallett wouldn't have been a good pick in isolation. Just that it would make their Ponder pick all the stranger.
And Mallett. They must really love that FSU kid....
Fuck yeah Rich Eisen!!!
Who the hell gave Millen the phone in the Lions war room?
What is the largest amount of QBs ever drafted in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft?
awesome. I love me some Barry sanders
Oooh, I don't know how I feel about that pick. Brandon Harris was my guy, but we need more weapons on offense.
I feel really conflicted about that pick. I would have loved to see an o-line pick or a corner or linebacker but with best, burelson, and Johnson...that's a lot of weapons. the offense might be scary if Stafford can stay healthy
I'm not sold on Best yet. I'm still skeptical because of his injury concerns and our O-line isn't that great. Burleson is getting towards the end of his career. He can also help as a kick returner, and can help free up some space for Calvin Johnson. Don't forget about Pettigrew too, I think he might break-out this season. I'm praying for some players who can help contribute to our back seven on defense though.
Our D-line and offense (minus the line) are pretty much set. We need to start focusing on these positions instead of ignoring them like we have been recently.
best probably isn't an every down back but he seems like he can be really explosive if you put him in the right position.
Yeah I see him having a Reggie Bush type of role. I'm not impressed with any of our other rb's either, but I think they can be productive if our o-line magically gets better at run blocking. The Young pick makes me believe we'll be a pass heavy offense unless we find a back to compliment Best. Tennessee did that with Chris Johnson and Lendale White when Schwartz was there.
Why on earth would we go for a WR in the 2nd round when we need OL/CBs that can contribute right away. Strange pick.
Mayhew's philosophy seems to be don't draft on need and his track record (Levy, Delmas) in the second/third rounds has been pretty good so far. I bet a lot of the corners they liked were taken in that 33-40 run on them.
They also had Ayers and Carter taken right before their pick.
Mayhew must be really confident on getting Houston back or has a plan during Free Agency. It's just too obvious a need to be neglected in the draft. Obviously, some being taken right before the pick probably influenced his decision. (I.e., avoid a Minnesota "derp" moment)
Not blown away by Titus Young, but we always seemed to lack that last receiver. If Young works out and takes some pressure off of Burleson and Calvin, this could be quite a good pick. Would've liked a CB, though.
What happened to drafting best player available.....young is good but def not the best player available at this time....they said they loved bowers when he came in for a visit draft him and let him learn from vanden bosch
Unfortunately for Bowers, his knee problems may end his career within 5 years in the NFL.
I like the pick. I'm not very impressed with Harris and all the good LBs were gone. I don't want to see Bryant Johnson anywhere near the field next year and Derrick Williams looks like a bust.
Bowers finally goes to the Bucs. 51st overall.
Tampa's d-line could be very scary in a few years. I think they're trying to one-up the Lions.
You're assuming that Bowers can play for a few years.
Hence the "could be".
Is anyone else watching NFL Network? The chainsaw commercial with the guy bringing it on the plane is really weird.
Turned on the radio, and all the goodwill the Lions got from yesterday's pick went out the window with the pick today. They're getting fried By almost everyone.
Why? Compliments for Calvin and Best. Some good things are being said about their draft online.
Aren't at any position they've drafted for, which is excusable when you're getting top 5 talent, but not when you're getting a third WR that could have been had in the 3rd round. And follow it up with another top round RB after last year, when you have gaping holes at OLB, CB. And instead of moving up to get a RB they could have moved up for one of the CBs or LBs taken just before them in the round.
They'll still get their OLB and CB, whether it be in FA or later in the draft. Still some good players on the board that it was wise for them to wait on.
But the free agent OLB class is extremely weak. And as the rounds get lower, it's diminishing returns. They must be thinking to get what they can now, and target those other needs next year.
here we go! i love that pick!!
What does that pick say about Best? Another curious one.
It actually makes a lot of sense. Jahvid Best isn't an everydown back and in today's NFL you need more than one runningback, unless you have one named Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, or MJD
I agree with what you say, but I'm not sure that the second round is the place to address that. There's a lot of history of lower round backs being very good. I'm thinking there are more needs.
Leshoure? Really? Hmm...
Uhm, yeah...2nd round back ups for the Lions.
1,2 punch at the RB position. Good pick. Need a stable of backs.
Everyone has great job security with WCF, so they can get who they like and worry about wins down the road. Still sounds like a better draft than New England.
I don't like these picks at all.
Here's a write up from ESPN draft tracker:
Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki: Jim Schwartz has been seeking explosion on both sides of the ball, and in Young he lands that type of receiver. The greatest concerns about Young: his sinewy, narrow frame and corresponding durability, and his overall immaturity. He turned off a lot of teams in the interview process and his lack of attention to detail could drive his position coach crazy. He might supplement Stefan Logan in the return game.
That review is less than stellar.
And now the Lions just picked up Leshoure? What the hell? Haven't we seen this movie before (taking WRs and RBs)?
I trust that Schwartz can evaluate the needs of HIS team (you know, the one he spends the entire year working with) and goals more than Mel Kiper. Evaluating a draft class on draft day is about as pointless as judging Brady Hoke before coaching a game.
Where's the fun in that?!
Don't ruin it with your cold hard logic.
I've heard is like Deshawn Jackson, but not nearly as fast.
I'm actually excited about Leshoure. It's a nice 1 2 punch. Leshoure is the every down back the Lions were missing IMHO. Best is the kind of back that can break a game open if used correctly but Leshoure looks like he could be a work horse.
I can see the rationale in taking a WR and RB, but at the same time, when Mayhew said he looks for the best player available and doesn't always look at need, I didn't think he meant he would take the opposite of need. So far we've taken a BPA and two nice-to-haves. I mean, did anyone look at the roster last year and think, "man, this would be a playoff team if we had a third wideout to go with Burleson and Johnson"?
In the 2nd round!
Mouton second round?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
congrats Jonas. San Diego baby.
HOLY SHIT Mouton drafted by Chargers at 61.
Mouton drafted by the Chargers at pick #61!
Is no longer Off-topic.
That was a lot earlier than I expected him to go. Kinda like him in a 3-4.
Mike Martin wants to smack Mel Kiper.
LOL yeah. Kiper is an idiot, saying "Mouton was the best player on that Michigan defense"
2nd round for Mouton? Nice, that's nice.
There's irony for you.. Jonas to San Diego and Hoke to AA. This will be a great place for him to develop!
The Lions can find a corner or servicable left tackle in the free agent market. They are taking value where they see it, which I like.
But I think they really believe they have a chance of landing Nnamdi Asomugha in free agency. The price will be very high, but what CB wouldn't love to play behind the line the Lions will be putting on the field.
But why do they think they have a better shot than anyone else? They have that much cap room?
Well this is where it gets weird... Depending on what the courts rule, on rules for free agency, the NFL could have anywhere between 175-400 free agents (using round numbers). So cap room will completely hinge on who actually becomes a free agent.
Jonas ca still give a Go Blue wearing them powder blues best of luck to ya Jonas
Congratulations Mouton...Round 2...wow, was expecting 3 or 4 but that's great
Good for him. I hope Jonas has a long and prosperous career in the NFL.
Sam Madison talking about Jim Mandich before delivering the Dolphins' second round pick. Nice.
Great Mandich tribute. So much Michigan in the last few minutes.
Redskins need to stop trading down. I keep getting excited for Mallett and the see they traded their pick yet again. You cannot build a team with a bunch of 6th.
I was reading an article awhile ago that was talking about scouts calling Mouton one of the most underrated LB's in the draft. Looks like they were right.
Would have happened with Mouton with 4 years under Mattison.
Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki: This is the first "wow" pick of the draft. Mouton is a converted safety who graded out in the sixth round. He does not play with much physicality and likely was drafted to help fill the Chargers' shortcomings in their nickel defense. GM A.J. Smith reached big time to fill a need pick with ILBs Kevin Burnett and Stephen Cooper both unsigned and potentially not returning.
I'll bet by halfway through the season Mouton is starting inside for SD.
For mallet, I could see 4 teams taking him. Oakland, dallas, buffalo, or seattle. I have a feeling we see stanzi get taken first, but my guess is one of those two quarterbacks are taken at 68 by buffalo.
I'm not sure if anyone else has said this yet but I was reading an article about the likely hood of Martell Webb getting drafted in the later rounds to be a blocking TE! I thought that was pretty impressive since he was an after-thought in Rich Rod's system..
It's in the feed on the righthand side of the page.
I really like their draft so far. Got a LT of the future that can also play LG this year and got the playmaker they need in the return game and in the slot.
I called them trading out of the first for a team looking for a QB, and that was about to happen with the Bengals, and with that pick they would take Cobb in the second. It might have turned out better since they got a good player at 32 and Cobb at 64. Now just need to find a OG/OLB/ and a S or CB.
Mallett to NE. Crazy.
Pushing him for playing time. He must love (/s) this draft. He wants to win now, and they're getting draft picks for the future, and to replace him.
Young running backs are just as good as old ones, if not better. Kevin Faulk is getting up there and coming off an injury.
Gred Jones did, in fact, declare for this draft, correct?
There's a familiar name...
He was awesome in "The Wire."