OT: In need of an explanation of Spartan fans
Massive and pervasive inferiority complex
I mean...I think you described them pretty well. There is no understanding, we just try to tolerate them. It comical with John L and Bobby Smith. Dantonio is irritating.
It's been easier living in DC, but living in Michigan can be irritating like I'm sure it is with your rivals in Alabama. People in Toledo and NW Ohio get a lot more of the M-OSU than M-MSU daily interaction, though.
I moved to DC post-graduation, and it's almost comical how minor the M-MSU rivalry becomes. Aside from Facebook statuses, I found the ND game meant much more. Case in point: Went for a run after the ND game wearing a Mich shirt, got numerous comments about the game. Went for a run after the MSU loss, all I heard were "Go Blue!"s.
Sparty is a very "family-esque" rivalry, where outside of Michigan, you don't really care. Social media is the only reason it has escalated (and the whole Dantonio being a piece of shit issue).
But hey, little brother's complaints are always enjoyable (Kirk Cousins, numerous commenters on here, etc).
about the status updates. Sparty flocks to facebook after every minor accomplishment
^ Pretty much what he said...
"This is what happens when you drop your vandalism major."
Of course, since they don't have fans who aren't also alums, we know what that means.
nailed the spartan faithful right on the head. In their eyes I am Walmart Wolverine thats just how they roll.
I don't think you want to try to understand the mind of Sparty. It's clouded with resentment and insecurity. Everything they do is in relation to their sense of how it looks against michigan.
I love you
It is well known in the state that michigan is far superior academically. 50% of their students applied to michigan and did not get in, and go to state as a fall back and are left feeling "second rate". So they are on a mission to prove they aren't, all the while we claim ohio state is our real rival, which just infuriates them more.
Ohio State is our real rival, so it's not like we're just saying that to make them mad.
michigan doesn't offer animal husbandry, so i went to state...
Do you really mean to say 49% of the MSU undergrad population knew they wouldn't get into Michigan and didn't bother applying?
90% is a more realistic number.
Anyone who claims that they can explain it is lying. Bat shit crazy prety much sums it up. And you figured that out on your first trip, which is nice because now you never have to go back. ANd oddly you will never ever miss anything that has any relevance to college football because of it.
1) They weren't admitted to Michigan
2) See #1
3) The University of Michigan has a larger state and national footprint than Michigan State University. This really bothers them. So much that anyone who supports Michigan who didn't attend the university gets called a "Walmart Wolerine."
It really is that simple.
"Walmart Wolverine" is alliteration that Spartan fans use as a derogatory term. You could be the most knowledgeable and passionate M fan that they know, but if you didn't attend the University of Michigan, you are a Walmart Wolverine. It really is a terrible attempt to demean those who didn't go to M. I went to the MSU-ND game two years ago, and I got a "Walmart" chant rather than an "Ass hole" chant for wearing my student t-shirt. I even had some people come up to me and asked if I even went to UM. What a dumb fucking question. I went to UM, but is it the deciding factor whether one is declared a fan or not? Simply put, no.
My standard response to the "Did you even go to Michigan?" question has always been "No, and I've never lived in Detroit either, yet I'm still a huge Wings fan."
I know it's a flawed analogy. Hundreds of thousands of people strive to attend either school, whereas no one willingly lives in Detroit.
However, I say it making the broader point that people are fans of sports teams for regional or geographic reasons. They don't need some sort of separate association to justify their fandom past that.
Better response is "Did you?"
was a phrase Michigan grads invented. A couple of Michigan alum I went to law school used the term to describe an EMU grad who rooted for Michigan and was a complete asshole about the whole rivalry.
So what do they consider Spartan fans that didn't go to State? I'm sure there are quite a few of those.
I'm starting to like you...
Admit it, you're a Michigan fan (second to Bama, of course).
blogs. Problem is we aren't going away and are just getting better in every sport. Sorry sparties.
Let me try.
First off, the RCMB is a shithole, populated with some of the biggest assholes on the planet. Examples abound over the years, particularly after Bo Schembechler died. Ohio State fans generally "get it" when it comes to Bo. MSU fans only see him as their tormenter and the guy who fired Ernie Harwell, which he did not.
Second, "inferiority complex" sums it up nicely. It's pervasive throughout their history. There is an obsession with Michigan that is deep-seated in the fabric of the school. It's in their fight song. Why, you might ask, are they named the Spartans? Because in the 1800s, Ann Arbor was nicknamed "the Athens of the West." And who beat the Athenians in the wars? Yeah.
To be a Sparty is to be OK with losing as long as Michigan does too. The saddest thing is fans who would rather their rival lose than their own team win. Literally, if a situation arose where MSU would go to the Rose Bowl if, say, Michigan beat Ohio, you could not get half their fans to say they were rooting for Michigan. They'd still root for us to lose. It's rooted in years of losing while Michigan dominated. Decades' worth. I know of only one other fanbase in the country like that, and it's not a college football one.
I think I'm starting to get it.
Take a look at this diary:
Amusing, and actually pretty accurate, even about Michigan. Dead on about MSU
Literally, if a situation arose where MSU would go to the Rose Bowl if, say, Michigan beat Ohio, you could not get half their fans to say they were rooting for Michigan. They'd still root for us to lose.
If? This has happened (Scroll down to the very bottom of that post)
Well, there we are then. And from no less a source than their very god himself.
"I know of only one other fanbase in the country like that, and it's not a college football one."
Which fanbase do you think is comparable? Living in Raleigh, I can promise you that NC State is similar. UNC plays the role of Michigan. Duke plays the role of Ohio State. NC State plays the role of outcast. Basketball is substituted for football.
The biggest difference between NCSU and MSU is that Sparty is actually GOOD at something. I'm not sure why they're so angry all of the time when they've had the better basketball program over the past 15+ years. The complex is so deep rooted that it won't go away.
I can't wait until Michigan gets the upper hand in football again.......and it's coming like a train down the tracks.
I meant that in the context of the idea of rooting for another team to lose harder than for their own team to win, and so the "winner" is: Red Sox fans.
I meant that in the context of the idea of rooting for another team to lose harder than for their own team to win, and so the "winner" is: Red Sox fans.
I just looked it up, Dantonio is from the Tressel tree! It all makes sense now! Hahaha. Why did no one tell me this??
Yep, also why he is pissed at urban meyer for taking his recruit. Dantonio and Tressel has a respect thing for one another. All of that was gone when tressel was outtie.
about PIttman is that it seems doubtful he would have given a verbal to MSU if Tressel hadn't screwed the pooch in the first place.
when you figured it out.
You will soon learn to hate Dantonio with a passion. He is one of the worst type of people out there, i truly mean that.
Izzo, is the complete opposite. He gets pissed about calls here and there, but overall i think Izzo is a great person. I think he is a great coach and from what i have read about him he gets the rivalry, unlike fucking Dantonio. I hate that asshole.
I think a lot of them grew up in Michigan and chose their fanbase as kids. As they grew up, they realized that Michigan is superior in many ways. Being overlooked from an athletic and academic standpoint, they grow to hate us and develop one hell of an inferiority complex (complete with delusions of grandeur). Histoically, their number one goal has always been beating Michigan. The school's original fight song was centered not on winning, but beating Michigan. They also don't enjoy the fact that many Michigan fans consider MSU as their 3rd biggest rivalry behind OSU and ND, though they may be closer to 2nd now with the conference setup.
"They also don't enjoy the fact that many Michigan fans consider MSU as their 3rd biggest rivalry behind OSU and ND, though they may be closer to 2nd now with the conference setup."
I think that MSU is moving closer to our second biggest rivalry more because Notre Dame has been down recently and a win doesn't mean as much as it used to, more than the conference set up.
Let me put it to you this way: What would happen if three teams went undefeated. One from the SEC, one from the Big Ten (Let's say Michigan), and one from the Big 12 (Let's say Texas). The SEC team would be in the NC game because obviously.
When people debate about Michigan or Texas, no one would point to Michigan's victory over Notre Dame as a "big win." Beating Notre Dame is not the same as it was in the 90s when Notre Dame would later beat a good USC team, go to a decent bowl game, and turn out pros.
However, I still think MSU will move securely back to our third biggest rivarly once we get back to beating them regularly, and expecting to beat them regularly.
This guy is good.
You know what, RDT? I didn't really like you very much. Even with the rest of the MGo world fawning over every one of your posts and the thread you made a few days back introducing yourself. I appreciated you weren't trolling, but you were still nothing more than outsider from the next school my team was going to play.
However, after starting this thread, I like you. You're alright in my book.
That being said, I'm no psychatrist, but MSU fans suffer from a severe inferiority complex. It's one that we have helped turn into a monster by, as a whole fanbase, refusing to acknowledge little brother's accomplishments even when they're deserved. In their mind now, every positive thing they do is magnified ten fold, while the negatives don't register to them at all. While some of them are fine people outside of conversing about sports, I can confirm firsthand, they seem to have delusions of gradeur when speaking of their football program. It's our fault as Wolverines they are what they are, yet we refuse to yield because of the outrageous levels they've gone to get our attention. A vicious cycle that will never end.
Aren't we all?
if someone that is a fan of Michigan athletics (no you can't root for one college football team and then root for another college basketball team) that did not attend U of M but does work in some capacity at U of M or Motts Childrens Hospital, are they still considered a walmart wolverine?
if someone attended U of M Dearborn or U of M Flint but NOT U of M Ann Arbor, does that mean that person is a walmart wolverine?
as far as sparty fans go, well let's just say that most of them have a really fucked up view of athletics in general. this is proven when an MSUCKS fan(s) is happier to see a Michigan loss versus a Sparty win. Now that sentiment is not as strong as it used to be, when it comes to football, cause they are actually putting a good team on the field. when a program that has been beaten like a red-headed-step-child for decades, the fans of such a program will repress the history of failure and concentrate on the recent success. same goes for tree nut fans. there are only a handfull of college football teams that have a winning percentage againt the Maize and Blue. those fans should really be focusing on their teams that do well. you can see how they lash out when Sparty fans use the term "M go Blow," or when tree nuts use scUM. it is comical. the newest way to lash out is to classify a group of Michigan fans that did not attend school there, as walmart wolverines. these fans of our rivals are just lashing out because success is what brings in fans that have never attended a class on campus. techincally i am considered a walmart wolverine, but who gives a shit whether you actually attended classes at a college or university who you root for in athletics. not sure if any of this makes sense, cause you cannot prove a negative.
I was born and raised in Ann Arbor. My dad and grandpa both graduated from U of M. I have been a huge Michigan fan since before I can remember. With that said, I do not go to U of M, I go to Eastern.
I was accepted into U of M but I was also awarded a scholarship at Eastern that allowed me to attend for next to nothing. I also have always planned on going to graduate school, thus I knew that saving money is even more important. Also knowing that I would more than likely go to grad school, I knew it would be less important where I got my undergrad degree from. So, in the end, I decided to go to Eastern instead of U of M.
Does that make me less of a fan than the guy from New York who couldn't get into an Ivy League school, and is now attending U of M? I think not. The suggestion alone is offensive.
The whole concept behind "Walmart Wolverines" is ridiculous. However they succeed in upsetting us by using the term, so it will never go away.
Being a Michigan fan (especially in football) is really easy. For someone to just decide, "My favorite team is the one that has won more games than all the other teams," is fairly obnoxious to just about everyone else. You seem to recognize this when you feel the need to point out your family connection to Michigan and the fact that you were in fact admitted to the school.
To illustrate, imagine we live in a world where Notre Dame has actually won a bowl game played in the continental United States in the last few decades. If you went to Indiana or Purdue and came home for Thanksgiving, only to see your dumbass cousin who is flunking out of community college wearing a Joe Montana jersey and running his mouth about Tim Brown, you would probably like your cousin a little less. If you graduated from Northwestern or Illinois and strolled into a Chicago bar on a fall Saturday, only to hear the drunken locals nominating Lou Holtz for sainthood while your alma mater is battling to the wire against East Buttfuck State, you would probably want to break a bottle over somebody's head.
Obviously these are extreme examples, but they are far from implausible and that is how stereotypes start. To an MSU season ticket holder, someone in a Michigan t-shirt looks like an American wearing a Manchester United or Real Madrid top in Europe. As loyal Wigan supporters themselves, they are probably going to think you are an asshole unless you have a better reason for supporting the team than, "Well, they win all the time and that is pretty sweet!"
The thing is, is that the same could be said about TONS of mass market schools (Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Florida, Alabama etc etc), yet the "Walmart Wolverine" gets more attention than them all. I have no problem with people getting upset with the examples you give above, but MSU fans have somehow convinced themselves that ANYONE who did not go to U of M but is a fan deserves to laughed at and mocked. It is so obviously a result of their inferiority complex, yet it never ceases to infuriate me when I come across the MSU fan spewing this garbage.
Your credentials check. You have Maize & blue coursing through your veins. Be proud.
(Also be happy that your're saving a ton of coin in your undergrad years and can choose to attend UM at the grad/professional level if you desire.)
So if I've got the heritage I'm not a Walmart Wolverine? I was born in Ann Arbor to an alum and a prof. (My mom taught remedial writing to much of the football team in the late 80s and early 90s.) All of my relatives on my dad's side are HUGE Michigan fans, though no one from my generation went to MIchigan for undergrad, though two did for grad school. I wanted to go for grad school, but did not get in. :(
What does that have to do with what teams I root for?
Just think Auburn but not as good.
Also, can you tell me why Alabama fans call Auburn fans boogs? I've seen it a few times on your message boards.
No, that won't work because Auburn has quite a few fans in Alabama. While Auburn are still 'Bama rejects, much like how if you can't get into college, you go to State, Auburn has a secure hold on much more of Alabama than MSU does on Michigan.
Auburn also has a pretty nice campus.
Say what you want about MSU, but you're discrediting yourself if you claim MSU's campus isn't nice. Its huge, which sucks ass, but the campus itself is quite beautiful.
I think it's pretty monotonous. Plus I don't like how it is completely sectioned off from the rest of EL. The river is pretty cool, but I find the architecture tiresome.
I never really hated state till I started reading this blog about a year ago. i always thought of 'em as an average B1G team. But seeing how they talk all this shit and get on here and troll, I really can not stand them. I'm ready for next season and we put a can of whoop ass on them!
You really want to be accepted here, don't you RDT? You just seem to "get it".
"shit house rat"
Since childhood, one of my favorite animals. I'd +1 you if I could.
What really amazes me is some of the off topic stuff that gets discussed over there. A quick look through the most recent threads over there will give you topics like...
Think of MSU the way the SEC thinks of South Carolina. South Carolina will celebrate the hell out of any win they get over another SEC school (I saw what they did this past season with their win here in Knoxville, and Tyler Bray didn't even play in that game). Historically, however, they are irrelevant.
Of course that might not be the best example because MSU has been in the Big Ten a LOT longer than SC has been in the SEC, but it's probably the closest thing.
Even still, you have to add the arrogance of Florida fans. In fact, MSU fans often wear attire that is almost as embrassaing as Florida's famed jorts look. So, mix South Carolina's delusion about their program with Florida's arrogrance and you begin to understand Spartan fans.
Sorry to interject, but as someone from overseas I have to ask: what are jorts?
Would I be considered a "Wal Mart Wolverine" to them since I was accepted to Michigan but couldn't afford the out of state tuition? Sad story considering most of my family lives in Ypsi or Novi. The older I get, the more I hate the Sparties of East Lansing.
I enjoyed this story, but I do have one question. Did they really say "the university of Michigan State?" If so, that is hilarious, and very Pryor-esque.
Terrelle Pryor style.
So are you a Michigan fan pretending to be an Alabama fan boosting the Michigan fans spirits by mentioning the irrational Michigan State fans posts?
I think I've figured you out.
I was blown away by the posts, and I've seen some nonsense in my day.
welp, if you are who you say you are, I appreciate you noticing how interesting their fans are. They are super irrational excuse machines. They can't handle winning and don't know their place.
As much as I hate to say it, ohio fans have earned the right to be proud (other than cheating) and loud about their team. They have beena force in the Big Ten for some time now. Their shit talking actually has some basis. MSU, on the other hand, doesn't know how to handle a few wins, Is irrational and dillusional about their place in the conferance and in college football, and overall has little bro syndrom. That's the easiest way to describe it.
They think their shit doesn't stink, even though they play with it all day at school. Forget about football sparty and find new ways to use poop.
we have 2 spartans trolls on here why else would you downvote a person just trying to figure out the mind of this boards opponent? Another great topic by roll damn tide
A great many Alabama fans HATE Michigan, but it's for all the right reasons. They hate Michigan's confidence, they hate Tom Brady, they hate Desmond Howard. When a group of people hate you for all the right reasons, that's college football.
Do they hate where Mark Ingram came from?
hate the state that incarcerated his dad?
how dare you!!!
dont forget the Orange Bowl victory in the first year of BCS games. Damn extra points lol
This certainly didn't help matter either!!!
How do you make Michigan State cookies?
you make buckeyes... put them in a bowl and let them get beat and mashed till done.
I like what you've done here RDT, but in order to be fair...
"This is quite a statement, because Auburn fans have more disillusioned ideas than the movie Inception."
To not mention Harvey Updyke yourself comes off as disillusioned as well. And while I know one person does not define a fanbase, he has done more damage to one than anyone else I can think of.
You can also add the fact Michigan beat Bama in the Orange Bowl by a missed extra point. Im sure it still burns.
I'd be willing to bet that you're just a Michigan fan at this point.
About an hour south of Huntsville, for those of you who care about these things.
My family will be doing our anual drive through Alabama this spring on our way to Panama City.
Can we use your bathroom?
Maybe I'm just cynical by nature, but I thought that about five posts into his MGoBlog posting career.
Your first impression was correct. He replied to one of his posts earlier this week and it confirmed that he was in fact a Michigan fan posing as a bama fan. Pretty pathetic.
A: You put them in a bowl and whip them for 3 hours!!!!
My Dad is a HVAC contract supervisor for Flur, and he is actually in afghanistan right now. Every time he goes, he gets the workers Alabama stuff, and they all wear it.
The one in white, right?
Apparently your dad is in Nazi Germany...
Thats really cool though man, your dad is a stand up dude. I'd have a beer with him anyway
Imagine being beat down for years by Auburn then all of a sudden you strike it rich. Its like a trailer dwelling family hitting 100 million in the lotto. They just dont know how to handle it. Inferiority sure, but more likely the mindset. Agriculture school, so alot of chew spit swallowed, brain cells destroyed by Busch heavy etc etc. If this bares resemblence to SEC schools, apologies, but im a B1G homer. Michigan, God, Family, Big Ten in that order.
My first Alabama shirt
You were an ugly kid.
Just kidding, you were adorable, I just like giving the new guy shit.
Smoke Green Snort White
No explanation needed.
on academics with athletics when they can, but you just can't fix stupid.
What surprises me is how MSU fans have become so arrogant so quickly. They act like it is a given that they will beat us next year. I think Michigan fans are much less arrogant. At least we recognize that we should win, but it will not be easy.
RDT- As Big Brothers of our respective states, I can see why you fit in here so well and will quickly understand the dynamics of the Great Lakes State.
Sparty's feelings towards us are "hateful" which, as you know with Aubarn is very common with "little brothers" towards the "big brother" schools like:
- Texas A&M to Texas
- Oklahoma State to Oklahoma
- Oregon State to Oregon
- Iowa State to Iowa
- UCLA to USC
If you think you are confused now, you should go to 971theticket.com and listen from 2-6 pm. You will pretty much get the audio version of RCMB, but there are call screeners who only let idiots get through to lib softballs at the show host.
This is late, so may get passed over but I think it's the best piece of info about the two schools. Obviously Michigan is the wolverine state and the university claimed this as their mascot before MSU even existed. Due to the success of the school Ann Arbir became known as "Athens of the West." MSU came along, at the time they were Michigan A&M, and built their entire athletic identity off if the Athenians' historic rival, the Spartans.
The funny thing about State fans is that they don't celebrate what they do well in football. I don't think any team in the B10 (yeah, I know, but I'm not changing now) bar maybe Iowa does better at developing talent. Maybe Hoke and team will do it better than Sparty in the future, but right now I am impressed with the Sparties' ability to reconstruct units with 3 stars, like the 2012 offensive line. Yet, to hear the Sparties, these were all great players that Michigan (and the ranking agencies) simply mis-rated. Turns out, they got the guys they wanted all along!
Dantonio is a dick, and I will never like the Spartans as a team or a fan base, but I wouldn't be at all unhappy to see M poach some position coaches from them, as time goes on.
In the meantime, I will just enjoy their claims that Michigan is recruiting guys to ride the bench just to keep them out of Sparty's hands (see their coments re: Bosch). It doesn't get more inferiority complex than that, as RDT should surely realize given the whining of Alabama's foes that 'Bama does just that.
The Sparty fan is the one whose surname contains no vowels.
It seems that the Spartans themselves have provided some insight into the very question which RDT is asking. There is, of course, the Napoleon Complex, but someone actually went delving into the trash at Spartan Stadium to get some further insight into our in-state rival to find out how much of the "Trash Tornado" could have been recycled or composted - East Lansing just doesn't care about the environment, given the results of this study. Perhaps 89% of Spartan fans could also be recycled?
On the front page of RCMB there is literally a 5 page thread of butthurt with over 120+ comments from the past 4 hours, almost all talking about how Cass Tech sucks since many of their players come to UM and how great Dantonio's recruiting is.
I actually read it for the humor factor once in a while.
did you actually read your post? your blasting them for a 5 page discussion on hatred of UM while writing on a three page discussion of how worthless MSU is. Delusional Douchbags
Sometimes, it's as if Spartan fans define themselves more by their hatred of Michigan than by their love of State. They can win their best bowl game in decades, and still whine that Michigan beat a "nobody" Virginia Tech team. They can go 1-11, and so long as that one win was against Michigan, they're exstatic. The local Subway had to give a student ticket deal to fill out their stadium on Senior day during a 11-1 season.
When Michigan beat State in basketball, our responses were along the lines of "it's a great rivalry, they're a great team, they put everything on the floor, etc. etc." When they beat us, Draymond Green said, "Winning's in our DNA." In short, think of the most annoying stereotype of a little brother
You hit the nail on the head when you said, "they own 4 straight victories over your boys. But lets be honest, no one really gives a damn nationally." Outside of East Lansing, Michigan State football is irrelevant. They have beaten Michigan 4 straight, and put together some good seasons. Yet nationally they are dismissed. Instead the perception is, "Michigan is back."
I am sure that all the success that MSU has had against Michigan, including beating Hoke in his first year, has translated to recruiting wins for MSU... oh wait, no it hasn't. If MSU is so relevant, why are most of the state's blue chippers going to Michigan, not MSU? The truth is, MSU couldn't take advantage of a down Michigan. After only one year, Michigan has reclaimed the state, and is back to national relevance.
State fans fall back on the, "well our staff can coach up our guys, and we will still beat you." Well, the thing is... combine Brady Hoke and his staff with top recruits, and you have blue chippers that will be coached to the maximum of their ability. This coaching staff squeezed all they could from team 132. What's going to happen when the talent, catches up to the level of coaching that Michigan now has?
Michigan State is a good program. However, their fan base is delusional if they think they are an elite power. I hope Spartan fans enjoyed that Legends title, they won't sniff the BCS for a long time to come.
I don't know who you're talking to, but MSU fans do not think that MSU is an elite football power. That is absurd to claim that this is the common perception.
I'm pretty sure UM thinks the 4 in a row matter as manifested by grow men posting about MSU on boards all day long claiming it means nothing...don't get me started on Alabama boy up there researching opponents rivalry records. Jesus H Christ this is hilarious and so sad all at once.
My 12 year old son says that logically we root for UM so State is in first. I explained that hating on skunkweasels always supercedes logic.
The truest form of a Walmart Wolverine is Mr. William McAllister, talk-show personality on 97.1 The Ticket. He is self stated a UM football fan and an MSU basketball fan. If there were a nickname for it, he would also qualify as the equivalent for MSU bball.
MSU fans use the term Walmart Wolverine way too much, and, having seen that it irritates some Michigan fans/grads, some of us tend to use it way more.
It isn't a bit disconcerting to any of you grown men that you've just posted 150 posts talking about MSU and calling them inferior? Man they are in your heads...
While there, I got the usual disgruntled fan statements of "We didn't really want any of them", "We'll still kick their ass" and my long favored "Those kids couldn't play here anyway".
Michigan has been out-recruiting Michigan State for going on 5 decades now and with the exception of the past 4 seasons, that talent gap has meant Michigan dominating MSU. The past 4 seasons are easily explainable by the high attrition and clumsy transition to the spread offense of the Rodriguez regime. Michigan for the past 4 seasons played at a substantial experience and age gap to MSU as a result of this, but this gap has now closed.
MSU fans choose to ignore this fact and believe that Dantonio is the football version of Tom Izzo. Disillusionment is imminent for them. Hoke will dominate the Spartans just like Schembechler, Moeller, and Carr before. In the end the 2008-2011 period will go down as an odd blip in an otherwise unending record of futility that MSU will experience against Michigan.
My advice to you will mirror that of others, avoid the RCMB altogehter, they are just a pack of frathouse cretins, embracing the lowest common denominator of discourse.
This blog and RCMB is not an apples to apples comparison. Go meet the Spartans at their real blogs, not the warehouse for disaffected crazy people.
Oh yes there is a big part of the Spartan fanbase that puts more effort towards spite for the in-state rival than cheering for their own team. The local paper today had a column for Spartan fans and how they can deal with the Red Wings playing in Michigan Stadium by refusing to call it the Big House, since that's too endearing. So no, as much as I would like to stick up for the countless Spartans I know and work with who are not shitty sports fans, there's plenty of evidence, even discounting RCMB where that kind of stuff is encouraged, that State fans are not very sporting sports fans.
You know what though? Who gives a damn if they're not? I'm active in the Red Wings blogosphere in addition to this one and despite there being a good 10 sites that you MUST read if you're a Red Wings blogger, the No. 1 site is still Abel to Yzerman which is all about trolling the opposition. Why they do it is understandable--the Yankee effect, i.e. the Red Wings have been a championship caliber team for so long now that everyone else's fans are gunning for them, so Blogger E Wings Fan gets scrappy. Yet many of them are the same fans who appear on the Detroit Tigers blogs, and you will never meet a kinder group of bloggers (other than Northwestern--man do those people need a hug) than Tigers bloggers, who held each other through miserable years and formulated their outlook on sports fandom through the prisms of the late '90s and early '00s hopelessness, so every celebration of Prince Fielder still has the "but I'm glad Braun was cleared" giveback-ness to other fans, because we saw our last Fielder sold to the Yankees.
The internet is weird man. I'm starting to think that everyone, no matter what team they're a fan of, has all types of fan inside them, and that it's the tone and example of the editor, in most cases, that really sets the tone for a site.
That said there is a good reason Spartan fans in particular have been led toward being the whiniest asswipes with an internet connection, and that's because you'd be hard-pressed to find a better public school that's more overshadowed by a public giant in the same living space. There's all sorts of fraternal relationships out there in the rivalry world, but the ones where you get the really snot-nosed punkiness from little brother and the really arrogant prickishness of the big brother is when they're in that sweet spot of being competitive but not close enough to where the elder doesn't have a clear advantage.
The situation makes the fans, I guess is what I'm saying. The underlying people are just people.
Everything rational goes out the window when it comes to um/msu fans bickering at each other.
The crap msu fans have taken from um over the years is unreal (little brother, cheers of not being able to read go to state, etc...), so when msu started winning a few in a row they are reveling in it. It is very personal to them and they have a HUGE chip on their shoulder when it comes to um.