OT: NCAA Violations Committed by Boise State
The school issued its official response Monday night regarding NCAA violations committed by five of its sports, including secondary ones involving the football program. The most serious violation involved the women’s tennis program and prompted the NCAA to include the dreaded “lack of institutional control” into the allegations, although it appears likely that hammer will not fall on the football side of the ledger.
On the football side, all of the 63 instances noted by the NCAA involved potential recruits receiving impermissible benefits provided by players who were at the time members of the football program. The NCAA’s inquiry alleges those impermissible benefits occurred from 2005-2010.
The majority of allegations involve impermissible housing, transportation or meals, where an incoming student-athlete was provided a place to sleep (often on a couch or floor), a car ride or was provided free food by an existing student-athlete.
In football, the NCAA determined that total dollar value over five years was $4,934 for all of the housing, transportation and meals provided to 63 incoming student-athletes. All services ranged from $2.34 to a maximum of $417.55 and have been reimbursed by the student-athletes.
(Yes, you read that correctly; they got dinged in one instance for two dollars and some change.)
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I was under the impression (based on UM's case) that a program that repeatedly commited the same type of secondary violation over an extended period could have that "blow up" into a major violation.
Wasn't that the case for UM and the extra practice? It would have merely been a secondary violation except for the fact that it happened over two years or am I remembering this incorrectly?
All violations are major and you have to argue for them to be reduced to a minor. I think the difference is that the school "didn't know" that the players were committing the violations, whereas our coaching staff was the offender in our case.
So, a player isn't allowed to give a recruit a ride to and from a party, get them a 4th meal, and let them sleep on their couch after a night of partying? I understand the spirit of the law, but the letter of it is just stupid.
they're kids that are already signed up and have moved to the school for the summer but aren't yet enrolled. So this isn't on an official visit or anything but just for kids that haven't been able to move into the dorms yet for whatever reason.
Not sure if that makes it worse or better
Which one is worse? Over-stretching or letting a recruit crash on someone's couch and paying them $2.34? You can barely buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks for that.
Giving a recruit a ride to a party, a spot on the couch, or #9 Supreme is, in my opinion, a far more serious offense than stretching for 20 minutes too much. Practicing too long isn't going to entice a high school kid to attend your school. Letting him hang out with a bunch of college players while partying with them and grabbing a pizza afterwards will.
Just my 2% of a dollar.
And yet in the eyes of the NCAA the severity of the infraction is almost the same. Labeling these as "Major" is ridiculous. Tatgate, Auburn, SMU, USC... those are major. Why is the NCAA wasting their time on things like this?
The main stream media reading public (average person reads at a 6th grade level...) isn't going to be able to tell the difference between any of these violations, particularly when the media groups all these cases together.
Only if the coach "fails to create and maintain an atmosphere of compliance". The rest of the lack of institutional control violations are all administrative in nature.
Not saying that wouldn't seem to add up to failing to create/maintain, just that it's the only applicable rule from an institutional control standpoint.
It says these players are already committed to come to Boise State. You can't entice someone who's already coming to the school.
Many a slip, twixt a cup and a lip. Just ask Adrian Witty, Demar Dorsey, and Dee Hart.
Holy shit! What would the NCAA do if a student-athlete over-stretched, then had a Gatorade bought for him to rehydrate, then took a nap on someone's floor?
Come on NCAA. Proof that a recruit got put up in a hotel room with their family and/or players is one thing. But finding out they were crashing on floors like every other college kid that visits another campus?
But you buy a 5-star QBs Dad a church and there is an exception to the rules....
But finding out they were crashing on floors like every other college kid that visits another campus?
That's what got me. If I had to send a statement to the NCAA detailing the amount of times I've done something similar as a college student...
I guess it's a good thing I'm not an athlete, I'd be paying for last night when "gasp" someone bought me wings and I slept over at the girlfriends.
its not paying for it.
I don't even want to know what I would owe for a bed, sheets, pillows and blankets last night.
When she gets wind that you thought the bed and covers were more valuable, she's gonna be POed.
Actually she's a D1 athlete, so if she does get pissed I'll donate like five bucks to the school and then loan her a bit of cash.
Someone won't be pitching in the world series...
I'll blame you. I'll wish I had been you, but that goes without saying. Having been blamed for getting half of a D-II women's swimming team drunk the night before they tanked (Ha!) a big conference meet, I can tell you that you should hold off on the pre-party and wait until her game is over.
That must have been one of those things that wasn't fun to live with at the time, but makes an awesome story later.
And if they do make the SWS, they'll be traveling so there won't be any, erm...strenuous physical activity the night before. Ironically, they'll probably be in Ann Arbor facing that fearsome group that MGoSoftball likes talking about so much.
+1 for "tanking" the swim team. Bad puns FTW.
The next month... not so much.
This reply chain is getting quite thin! I wonder how far it will go!
We're still a good distance from the Thin Zone. When comments start appearing outside of the comment boxes and marching towards the right blue border, then we're in the Thin Zone for sure.
Would the student-athelete that hosted have to claim that money as income? And pay taxes on that?
that the NCAA needs major reform. It's attempt to regulate private behavior is beyond ridiculous and has now become obscene.
The trouble is they're trying to prevent specific behavior with sweeping rules. I understand their viewpoint: "Well, we don't want schools violating amatureism by handing out $1000 handshakes, but where do we draw the line? We'd better make it all handshakes. I mean, what if somebody had recruits meet a recieving line of alumni and each gave a $5 handshake?"
But they need to find some alternative, because this stuff is riduclous. How about, "Meeting anyone not actively employed by the program or a current student at the school is impermissible, and benefits exceeding $50 per night (an assumed "friendly amount"), create a violation."? That way you're avoiding cash givaways, but if you give a kid an athletic department T-shirt and one of the players buys him McD's rather than going to the dining hall, nobody is in trouble.
Good to know they caught that $2.34 violation.
I saw a commercial for that the other day and it said the burrito was $2 and the chips and pop were free Taco Bell is giving free food to recruits! Someone get the freep on the phone Taco Bell has some explaining to do!
if BS wants to play with the big boys they're gonna get treated like one and have to play by the rules like everyone else. I don't feel sorry for them, it comes with the territory.
That being said, these sound like frivolous/petty allegations and I highly doubt we'd be hearing about them if BS wasn't playing the role of BCS buster every year.
This is hardly a case of being treated like a big boy.
When it comes to breaking NCAA rules, it certainly appears that the bigger and more successful you are the less likely you will be called out by the NCAA. What allegations were brought against the administration, not the coach, of OSU? Did the NCAA drag its feet with USC until the media left them no choice? Auburn? Do you really think the "big boys" play by the rules? Really?
Appearance wise, this doesn't equate to being "protected".. I mean treated like a big boy.
P.S. Love your avatar!
If you are like those top established money making programs you mentioned. Playing with the big boys BS keeps consistently winning every year and making their way into the BCS picture. I equate what they're doing to me sitting down at the finals table with Phil Ivey and Daniel Negreanu and all I have is $1000 and end up walking away with the pot. You gotta believe that this is starting to aggravate the "big boys", every time BS gets a BCS spot it takes one away(and millions of dollars) from the Big 4 conferences. I like conspiracies, and one could subscribe to the fact that Delaney, Larry Scott, Slimey Slive and Dan Beebe all meet behind closed doors to put the squeeze on the NCAA to put the cute little blue turfed school in Idaho in their place. That is why in the 2nd paragraph I stated that I think that these allegations are ridiculous, and nobody would give 2 shits about it if Boise wasn't the annual BCS buster poster boy
The SEC sees your "violations," and is unimpressed.
That's not a knife. THIS is a knife:
Whoa $2.34 impermissible benefits.... The NCAA seriousily tracked down some poor sucker's 3 AM Taco Bell run?
If going to a friend's house, sleeping on his floor, smoking his pot, eating taco bell he bought, and getting him to drive you around campus are all secondary violations, then Michigan State's got a Lane Kiffen-load of secondary violations to report from '97.
Or does the school paper not count?
I guess this helps explain the cliche that the NCAA is great at misdemeanors, not so good at felonies. "Stretchgate" helped explain that too, I suppose.
Desmond Howard likened the situation this afternoon to writing a parking ticket for a car parked outside of a bank that was being robbed.
I agree.
This is so stupid by the ncaa. I don't care if they're recruits, commits, or already students. They are kids so they are going to do this, just like every other student at every university. This is something the ncaa shouldn't have even bothered any time with, and this is coming from someone who isn't very fond of BSU.
Our "stretchgate" should have been identified but even with that the NCaa should have told the coaches to stop it and if they didn't THEN there would be repercussions.
I'm curious what method they used to determine the fair market value of sleeping on some guy's floor.
How thick was the carpet?
"Look at the location of the Taco Bell wrappers: back, and to the left. Back, and to the left. There had to be a second sleeper, somewhere in the vicinity of the futon."
They only have themselves to blame for this as the individual schools approved these rules. If they wanted to change them, they could. No chance of any common sense breaking out....
The women's tennis team is out of control? Yes, please! What masters courses do they offer and can were the sleep over violations committed by them, too?
The tennis allegations were kind of egregious and included having recruits play in competitions before they were enrolled at the school, which is pretty much not okay.
They also falsified information to the NCAA which, uh, Tressel.
In other NCAA news, the PAC-10(12) just signed a 27 million dollar a year TV deal, to narrowly beat other big conferences. (Yeah, I kow Boise's not in the PAC, just go with me.)
A kid's picture can be sold by the school, but not by anyone else - espcially the kid.
Coaches are regularly getting paid millions.
A kid can't get a ride home from a guy who will be his teammate in a couple of weeks.
I just paid $32 bucks for a seat cushion on the off the chance that it might actually allow me to sit in my seat which is tough b/c of all the peolpe they cram in there. It would be better if I could shell out the coin for a luxury box. [Edit - Correction - I paid $64 since I got one for the wife too.]
A kid who lets a future teammate buy him a some Taco Bell and then crashes on the same future teammate's floor is a cheater and can't play unless he pays every last nickle back.
Cam Newton won a national title and went No. 1 overall.
None of this is made up.
Noone gave the NCAA any points for consistency, I'll say that much. But it serves Boise State right...they've been trying to crash the BCS party for years. That'll learn 'em.
"This will teach them to try and crash the BCS every year!"
-NCAA
The only major violation at Boise State is that ugly turf.
I hate Boise mostly on account of their turf.
We are making light of this, but would we be calling for heads if it was one of our rivals?