I see the point guards in this game; Norris Cole, Darren Collison, Mario Chalmers, George Hill and see no reason why Trey Burke can't have a successful career in the NBA
OT: NBA Playoffs Heat vs. Pacers and Clippers vs Spurs 05-17-12
Go Pacers, and Go Spurs! Take that big market franchises.
P.S. does Hubie Brown ever shutup? He has a 20 second ramble after every play.
He definitely will make some noise in the NBA, but (and lucky for us) he needs the college experience to prove that to NBA GMs who have fallen in love with 6'8" athletes who have great "length" and "upside" yet no actual basketball skill
EDIT: Sorry, This was supposed to be in reply to the PG comment above
It's easy to pull for the Pacers but everytime they show Juwan I get mixed emotions.
I love watching Hubie Brown do any game, he points out the simple intricacies of the game with style, and at least 1 or 2 times a game will drop some knowledge that will have you re-evaluate the whole Game (in a good way)
terrible. He's insanely athletic but he can't do anything but dunk and rebound.
Doesn't offend me. Scoring down low and rebounding are kinda important in basketball
If no one was ever in front of Griffin and the rim, then yeah, Griffin would be a great player. As it is, Griffin can't score with his back to the rim and he can't score from more than 5 feet out.
It's his second year playing in the league and he's one of three guys averaging a 20-10. He's got plenty of time to improve.
It doesn't matter what he could be doing, it's what he's actually doing that counts. I agree, Blake Griffin is oozing potential and if he can add some length and versatility to his game, he could be something special. But the ifs are some big ones.
It is what he's doing that counts. And what he's doing is averaging 20 and 10, which puts him on a level of the best power forwards, at least statistically, in the game.
Subjectively, I'd put him clearly behind...
Duncan (who really plays more as a center, but always gets listed as a pf, and clearly can still bring it when he needs to)
But there, you're talking about perhaps the two best power forwards ever, two of the best post players in the NBA, and a guy who went 26-13 this year.
Griffin's at the head of the next tier. It's not easy to average 20 and 10, or a lot more players would do it.
And you're certainly right about his potential. He's more mobile and athletic than any of those guys above. He has the potential to have a career trajectory like Karl Malone, who was mainly, in his first two years, an athletic guy who got most of his points as a finisher and then, between his 2nd and 3rd year, developed a reliable jump shot and became, with the help of a great point guard, one of the best 2 power forwards in the league (he and Barkely). That's certainly not guaranteed to happen, but it is possible if he puts in the work on his 18 foot jumper this summer. His great advantage is that he'll be playing for the foreseeable future with the best point in the NBA, so he'll get lots of open looks.
He's looked pretty bad this series, as have the Clippers, but he's probably about 60% healthy with his knee.
For me it gets a little tiring and little simplistic when a player gets criticized and marginalized for what he can't do. What is more important than pointing out inevitable flaws in someone's game is understanding what makes them valuable, what they CAN do. I think this distinction is a primary difference between coaches and fans. A coaches job is to put players in position to succeed and take advantages of strengths. An adversarial fans main motivation is to point out flaws in a players game and overlook his strengths.
Don't sell him short; he flops with the best of them. He was the most compelling player in the league last year, and has already evolved into an insufferable actor.
scoring and rebounding are so overrated.
He's actually improved his handle quite a lot. I'm always surprised how much the Clippers give him the ball in transition in the backcourt.
His post stuff is ugly, but he is developing a nice up and under. Post moves are largely a lost art in the NBA, though.
Like many people I am not very fond of the Heat as a whole, but part of me wants to see Juwan Howard get a ring.
Anyone else find Dwayne Wade incredibly annoying? He's a huge baby. When he can't jump into people, fall down and get the call he's very ineffective.
To be fair, this might be his worst game as a professional. But it's been a lazy bad game too.
I respect that and admit my bias as a Pistons fan (going back to '05). But I really feel he's built his career on deceiving officials (falling down all the time) and living off an undeserved rep. Yes, he's a great athlete but he is selfish and has a poor basketball IQ. Deep down he knows how much better LeBron is and I think he's having a difficult time coping with that. /rant over
Calling Wade selfish is absolutely ridiculous. Do you understand how much he's given up these last two years? He's the best shot-blocking guard of all time, an excellent free safety/center fielder off the ball on defense, and is unbelievable finishing at rim at 6'4'' amongst guys 6'10'' and taller.
Bottom line is he had an awful game and lost his head in frustration. You don't have to like every player, whether its for rational or irrational reasons. But don't disrespect him like that when he hits rock bottom.
He is one of the all time worst floppers in the history of the NBA. Go to YouTube and type in Dwayne Wade flop-there are countless examples. Here is one of my favorites - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFA5vSjvzGk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Also, go look at some of the stories from the NBA Finals vs Dallas in 2006. You'll see where this dislike came from.
I don't dislike Wade as much as you seemingly do but I did enjoy this
Yeah that was an interesting take by Wade. It's not so much that I "hate" Wade, it's really more about that I hate entitlement and I feel like the NBA has consciously contributed to this sense of entitlement with many of their "popular" players.
I personally feel that Wade has been the greatest beneficiary and it just rubs me the wrong way. He is not one of the most talented players in the NBA but he has been portrayed as such for so long that people just accept it as fact. He is a tremendous athlete just not a great, natural bball player.
You obviously never really watched Dwyane play more than a handful of games on national tv. I guess guys like Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook are overrated too because they're so athletic. Who do you think is so superior to him? What is a "natural bball player"? I guess if Dwyane were slower and just took jump shots he'd be more "natural" to you.
Its nothing personal against your team man. I think LeBron is one of the best players to ever live. I loved the Brian Grants, Lamar Odoms, Dan Majerles and Shaqs of the past Heat teams.
I just don't have much respect for DWade. I think he's a product of media infatuation and he's realized what a real NBA superstar is while playing with Bron the past couple years. I'm not trying to piss you off on purpose - I've felt like this ever since the first time I saw him in the playoffs in '04
You can complain about flops and refs all you want (believe me, I wasn't pleased with them tonight), but Wade is a fearless guard whose inside game at his height is unprecedented. I suppose you prefer watching inefficient jump shooting scorers or big guys whose main asset is just their size over watching the little guy take it into the paint. I can't think of any star who has been more pleasant to watch grow. It's unfortunate how much LeBron and the last two years have messed with people's perception of Dwyane.
You must've missed the 2006 NBA playoffs.
This is by far his worse game as a professional
I am pretty sure George Hill was coached by Dane Fife while at IUPUI
Hill was actually coached by Ron Hunter, who now coaches at Georgia Southern. Dane Fife coached at IPFW. Confusing, I know
Listen and you can hear the NBA headquarters quaking with fear over a potential Spurs-Pacers finals.
If it gets close to that, I expect to see officiating crews of Bennett Salvatore, Dick Bavetta, and a surprisingly reinstated Tim Donoughy working every game.
The two lowest rated finals ever both featured the Spurs. I can only imagine how bad things would get if Indiana came out of the East.
Cavs season ticket holder hear. Cannot stop laughing.........
God I love it when the Miami Heat loses. Especially when it's against a team that plays like an actual team.
With Bosh's injury Pacers have a decent shot winning this series. Whoever wins Sunday probably wins the series
It's really pretty amazing how bad the Heat's roster is once you get past the big three, and Chalmers, I guess. A bunch of guys who were decent role players three years past their prime, mediocre young guys who never play and Eddie Curry.
Stonum just tweeted that he just graduated and is getting ready to play his last year of college ball. Commence arguing about character, rejoicing, speculation and everything else. Go!
I'm sorry but every fiber of my being roots for these a-holes to get beat. If they want to play together like the new Superfriends club so be it. But to have the audacity to hold a victory party BEFORE they had an actual victory....especially after that flaming douche bag from hell LeBron's "decision" on ESPN absolutely grinds every bit of my Mgrowold body.
Two words. FUCK THEM.
This event was for the fans of his new team. If New York landed LeBron they would have had a similar event. Shaq's arrival had pretty the same thing in Miami. You can irrationally hate him for the Decision thing, but that's what it is.
Oh really? Please point me in the direction of the other celebrations held for the benefit of the fans of players moving to new teams. I'm pretty sure you'll have a challenge finding ANYTHING resembling the hubris of the Heat post free agent signing.
Being a jilted a Cavs fan I may hold more anomosity than the average fan but the reality is EVERYBODY hates those assholes. LeBron's Q rating went from a positive 83 to a negative 73 overnight and there aren't enough Cleveland fans to move the needle that far. PTI did a segment tonight on which would be more interesting for the NBA - the Heat winning it all or the Heat losing it all. Consensus was losing.
Who exactly DO you like then? How the Heat are all assholes because of the Decision?
I think LeBron is the best player in the world. The reason he gets so much shit is because people have such high expectations of him. At this point it seems that he lacks a "killer mentality" and that is why people get so frustrated with him.
Well this is the first of your comments that didn't quickly piss me off. The perception of him as soft in the clutch and lacking a killer mentality is impossible to argue against at this point, even for a Heat fan. I have no arguments here.
Why you getting so mad bro?
His team is getting its ass beat up and down the floor
I get frustrated with the way he plays, particularly that he's only just started to develop a post game. He's virtually unstoppable in the open court, but too much of his half court game (which is where close games get decided in the playoffs) consists of him standing around on the perimeter and settling for long jumpers.
I've long thought that there's no one that could guard him if he played more in the post. If you put a big on him, he can face him up, a smaller guy, he can back him down.
He wasn't always the standing on the perimeter jump shooter, use game 5 of the 07 conference finals as your reference. He took Tayshaun to the rim the whole 2nd half.
That game, in particular, is what makes his late game reticence the past three years so strange. He had a total killer instinct and will to win late in the game that just evaporated in his last year in Cleveland. It's really bizarre.
Who do I like? Any team beating that narcissic piece of shit Lebron. So right now I'm a big Pacers fan.
New York definitely would not have gave this asshat such an idiotic celebration. I hate New York sports teams, but they do have class. The Heat are garbage when it comes to character and class. I hope they never win a title just because of that celebration.
I celebrated when the Pistons got Rasheed. Oh F! They actually won a championship though
Boris Diaw gets his jumping ability from his mother, who incidentally is credited with being the first female player in France to shoot a jump shot.
Man, Chris Paul's playing like garbage. His hip must really be hurting.
Oh how the ankle and knee hating gods had no mercy for my team. I am still hurting. A Pacers vs Bulls ECF could have been very good.
Apparently influencing the whole team now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM7sIEZTFYk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
You really love Wade which is fine. I am a Bulls fan who adores Derrick Rose. But Wade has turned into a little bitch.
If by little bitch you're referring to his deferrence to LeBron and lack of assertiveness taking control, then I agree with you. I would hope a fan of Rose, whose game of athleticism and finishing at the rim are somewhat similar to Wade, would respect what he does and his ability.
I don't mind Wade, but Iverson's game in terms of going to the rim against the trees is second to none.
Edit: I should say this was during his prime years in Philly
I can respect that opinion. Iverson at the height of his game was an incredible scorer. He was, however, more elusive and relied on his quickness to get around and past the bigs. Wade has the power and leaping ability to dunk over them. Both excellent guards at scoring inside, but they had very different styles.
No , more about his complaing all the time(like the pacers celebrating which they didn't). Flopping all the time. I swear the man never lands on his feet. Just acting like a bitch.
When he says little bitch, he's probably referring to the stupid ass comments Wade made about West's "celebration" the other night and mocking Nowitzki's cold last Finals. Or his complaining about every foul call/no call ever made.
Very painful, I've had one....he did not hurt his legs.......he is a bitch.
Now coming to a TV near you. Brought to you by ESPN.......you sat on the edge of your seat for the original, now bite your fingernails for.....The Decision Part Douche!!! In the sequel LeBron will decide whether to miss the first, second, or both free throws in the clutch with the game on the line!!!
Go Pacers. The sooner the Heat are eliminated, the better.
And whenever I think of Wade, it's either A) Flop or B) the phantom call in the 2006 NBA finals. He wasn't fouled at all by Dallas. One of the worst officiating calls I've ever seen.