Game 7 in Miami isn't over yet, but the Heat have a commanding 20 point lead late in the game. Looks like a Heat-Spurs series. Who wins?
(EDIT: Heat beat Pacers 99-76 to advance to 3rd straight NBA finals)
It ain't over yet. But I am thinking Spurs in 6.
nothing against Lebron, but 50 minutes of him and 10 minutes of other stuff makes Sportscenter unwatchable.
i hate it because the other 10 are spent recapping what happened at NYJ training camp...
This line of reasoning is so played out at this point. That said, go Spurs.
I'm not insinuating that he's fixing games. The Heat won fair and square; no argument from me. It is, however, probably more financially beneficial for the NBA with the Heat in the finals over the Pacers.
I'm young...but did people doubt the validity of MJ's Bulls during their championship streak? Why can't people just accept that the best player in the NBA--by far--is leading the best team in the NBA--by far--to 2 championships in a row?
The exact same could be said for the Lakers/Kings semi final. That was fixed.
The NBA does not fix games.
Tim Donaghy, however, officiated numerous games of the Lakers Kings 2002 conference finals and that series has largely irrefutable arguments that it was fixed.
Its too bad that happened, because now some fans think that the independent actions of one rogue referee means that the whole league is fixed from the draft lottery to who wins which playoff series to which players get too many foul calls
From another viewpoint, the NBA may not have fixed the games, but they have to take the hit because of it. Tim Donaghy was a ref who was hired by the NBA to do his job, and he did something very wrong. If an employee at a business wrongs a customer, the customer isn't going to just be angry with the employee, he is going to be angry with the employer and the place of business in general. Donaghy is the employee of the NBA, so the NBA is going to have to deal with the problems that came from this. So the NBA may not actually fix games, but they cannot be blameless as well.
If nothing else the NBA was complicit simply because they didn't fire Donaghy on the spot.
Did anyone who watched that game think anything other than fix?
And that was Webber's best shot at a title.
Don't get me started on enveloped kept in freezers and all the other farce that is the NBA
But serious problems with the game there aren't any consequences, and they sweep it under the rug.
I can't comment on the Bulls, as I was too young. But blatantly inconsistent standards of reffing drive people to conspiracy theories of fixation because the alternative is incompetence....
but still miles better than B1G officiating. So there's that.
didn't benefit from getting to avoid the best teams because of other teams injuries(not the Heats fault). Jordan's Bulls would have destroyed LeBron's Heat.
I don't think the Heat are far-and-away the best team in the NBA anymore. I mean, the Pacers were able to outplay them for most of that series.
Honestly, the officiating seemed to favor the Pacers. LeBron fouling out and all of that nonsense.
Everyone in America besides heat ''fans'' should be pulling for San Antonio.
I can't stand the Spurs.
There are bad fans and bandwagon fans everywhere. South Florida is not as sports-crazed as the big Northeast cities or the Midwest, but give it a rest man. The Miami Heat is a pretty damn proud and successful 25-year-old franchise and has always had a strong local fanbase. Yes, idiots like Justin Bieber and Miami bimbos attend some games, but it doesn't justify your condescending comments.
I'll pull for Miami because of comments like this.
Pacers in 4. Don't stop believing!
Drat. The comeback fell 23 points short...
Sorry, to any NBA fans out there, but I can hardly watch it. Not because of the flopping or anything like that, but because I have no interest in any of the teams like I do with college basketball.
Oops, wrong thread.
For anyone unaware, that "Delete" thread had something that was already posted so it's just a post whatever you want thread right now for free points. Go get them while you can!
michigan doing well will always surpass any Detroit acomplishments, but to me the league is way better run than the NFL, and I need a pro winter sport (other than hockey)
you want to talk about a poorly run league look a the NHL...
The NBA might as well be the WNBA to me. Awful product.
Maybe you should watch the Spurs play.
They are more similar to Michigan basketball in style than maybe any team in the NBA.
And while they may not be the best team, they play the smartest brand of basketball and maximize every bit of talent they have.
Also, it sucks that you wont get to watch the rest of Trey Burkes basketball career.
Go Spurs. The Miami Heat are one the best examples of why the highest level of team sports is college
I know what you mean, but I just think you are wrong. The Pat Riley has put together a great team, one superstar, one sidekick, a solid 3rd scoring option and a bunch of shooters to spread the floor. They don't have a great shot blocker but they still play way above average defense (admittedly above average D in the NBA doesn't take anything more than an attempt to show interest on that end of the floor for most of the season) They share the ball and are much more fun to watch than most teams. People may not like the way they came together but blame the media for the hype, not for professionals wanting to put themselves in a better situation to succeed.
There was a time when owners and GMs were relied upon to assemble talent for a team, coaches were relied upon to manage a team, and a players were just there to perform. When superstars like LeBron and Chris Bosh can circumvent that process all to satisfy their need for personal glory, then the game loses something. The NBA resembles the WWE too much for my taste these days and it's unwatchable.
Now get off my lawn.
but just on principle I have to agree college is definitely more team oriented than the professional leagues. I'm sure there are plenty of examples to the contrary either way, but the team aspect is a big reason I spend almost all of my time following college sports as opposed to professional.
and rase you a Detroit Red Wings.
Juwan Howard could get another ring......
Tim Duncan is the best player for the last 15 years and constantly gets overshadowed because he's the epitomy of team first without drawing attention to himself. Another ring cements his legacy.
Duncan is amazing. Best power forward of all time. But LeBron is the best player of the last 15 years. Even if he has only been playing 10 seasons.
there would be no way i would take the spurs, but now, i just cant stand the heat. i think the heat will win, but i really want SA and Tim duncan to solidify themselves as one of the most dominant teams in history
If this San Antonio team played in LA or New York, the amount of nauseating ass-kissing the media would heap upon them would not easily be measured. As it is, San Antonio epitomizes small market and therefore ESPN couldn't give a shit. It's a shame, because Tim Duncan really is one of the greatest players of his generation and gets nowhere the credit that he deserves. Not that he cares, to his credit.
3rd straight to the OP
To be fair, I really don't think he came up with that himself.
I wish I could care about the NBA, but I just don't. I know its ancient history, but I lost a lot of respect for the league after the Malice at the Palace.
Give me a good college basketball game and I'd watch that over the NBA 10 times out of 10.
After the Cincinnati Xavier shit show. Sounds like confirmation bias to me.
Heat in 6
I seriously can't stand the NBA anymore... It's not just the fact that there are super teams these days, but bandwagons and the amount of time the media spends on the Heat just drives me crazy. The fact that the NBA can barely be considered a team sport as well just grinds my gears...
I'm not the biggest NBA fan, yet even I could've told you the Heat would win the East back before the season started. With the Spurs not playing in like a month, The Heat are probablly winning it all, again.
that a the reigning champion was going to come out of a weak Eastern Conference. What's your point?
And please don't use the "superstars playing together" argument because that was put to bed a long time ago.
...Lebron is an overhyped, self absorbed, d-bag, is an Ohio State fan and has followers like Justin Bieber. While someone like Duncan represents the Spurs and is kind of the anti-Lebron...and when all is said and done will probably retire with more rings than Lebron at the end of his career.
spew stereotypes that haven't been true for years. if you look at the 4 teams in the conf finals this year, they all have in common great team defense and balanced offense. the era of 1-on-5 sg's has been over for years...
This is exactly correct. LeBron is the best player in the game not just because of his skill and athleticism, but because of his basketball IQ. If somone watches any Heat game they will see him defer to his teamates in order to get them involved.I like the NBA because the players are better athletes and just overall better basketball players than those playing at the college level. Now don't get me wrong, the connection fans can have to a college team is much stronge and can make the game more exciting. However, in my opinion it's hard to argue that the college game has better basektball than the NBA.
with a 35 second shot clock, you can see some of the most beautiful, fluid team offenses in college basketball, but you can also (and more often than not if you're not a Michigan fan) see some of the most boring, grind-it-out offense. with a 24 second shot clock, there will undoubtedly be more one-on-one possessions, but there is still ample team ball and beautifully drawn up plays. and even when it's mano e mano, the players going at it are better than they are at the college level, so I still think it's better ball...
at the end of the day, i prefer michigan bball because i have a stronger affiliation with the team, but i do think that nba basketball is "better" and more entertaining.
I've accepted the dribble along the side, carry, to a certain extent over time. You are dead on with screens though. Seems less than 1/5 screens are actually legal
"the big markets dominate the sport, small markets dont have a chance"
Funny, because Indiana, OKC, San Antonio, and Memphis all seem pretty good...
wins one superbowl, it means that the parity in the nfl is unparalleled...
I haven't watched the NBA in years. Maybe I will pay attention to whatever team Trey Burke is on.
Helluva season for the Pacers. Too bad we can't go back in time and get the pre-brawl 04-05 Pacers (BEST TEAM THAT YEAR!!!!) and match them up against the Heat.
/Fuck John Green!!!!
Spurs in 6. The Heat couldn't stop Hibbert, what do you think Duncan is going to do to them? Tony Parker will have his way too.
I think they stopped hibbert, didn't you watch last night?
Did you? He had 18/8 and shot very well from the field. Did you watch the other 6 games? He averaged over 20 a game and had double digit rebounds most of the time as well.
Is it me or does it seem like Ray Allen follow the great players to teams? He is a good player and a great 3 pt. shooter but he seems to sign with the best team in the NBA.
And he just looks weird in a Heat uni. I hope if they win it this year he just retires.
In 2005 he stayed with a mediocre Seattle team instead of signing with Cleveland who offered him a max deal. He was traded to Boston a month after they won nineteen games and didn't want to leave Seattle. Last summer is the first time he signed somewhere else as a free agent.
There is no doubt about it. The NBA is so incredibly predictable
04 pistons over lakers was a pretty big upset
I would like to point out that it is their third straight NBA Finals appearance.
I honestly do not want either of these teams to have another championship. I hate the Heat for the same reasons that everyone else does, and I hate the Spurs because of how boring they are to watch. The new guys like Leonard are making it somewhat more interesting, but most of their play is just so boring to watch. I understand that boring does not mean bad and this is why they are and have been so good, but I would have rather watched a more exciting team come out of the West.
Basketball or you haven't watched the spurs in about four years. They have the most interesting and dynamic offense in the league.
I"m rooting for Juwan!
I won't watch the Finals this year. I actually have only watched last nights game in these playoffs and even then I turned it off when the Heat started to pull away. Having said that I hope the Spurs win. They win a lot but they do it the right way. They don't go out and buy their superstars. They draft and build that team up. I won't get back into the NBA until the Pistons become relevant. Which might be a while...
This guy supports the Heat, therefore the rest of mankind should not:
Is that Sinead O' Connor?
...your hat sucks. As does your leather apron that you probably paid $750 for.
Title number two coming in five games. I started liking Lebron when he took away that national title from Ohio in basketball. But seriously. The guys unreal to watch. I've never seen such an all around player and great team guy. I don't care how mad people get about it. When he's done, he'll be the best that ever played.
Incredibly talented ..yes. Best active player in NBA...yes. Best athlete ever...probably. Best ever...not going to happen. Dude is 1-2 in Finals. Probably will be 2-2 after this year. But he will never be Russell, Jordan, or even Kobe unless he wins at least 5/6 rings. He isn't a killer like Jordan or Kobe...just not built the same way.
Plus I love how everyone says Lebron makes his teammates better...but Lebron complained in this series that he was alone out there while his teammates played like crap...so what happened there. I also love how the same people that applaud Lebron for putting the team on his back are the same guys that hate on Kobe for doing the same thing when he needs to.
Hopefully both teams find a way to lose
I don't get all the anti-Lebron sentiment. Dude's the best basketball player in the world.
Which is why I was so glad he got that ring and hope he gets at least 2 more in Miami.
In the end, he made 1 bad PR move (maybe 2 if you count "not one..." "not two...") and people were dragging puppets of him behind their cars. It was sick.
I'm a Pistons fan, I didn't even like LeBron until now. Once he got to the Heat, I instantly wanted him to succeed.
Besides, I don't like the Spurs...I hate them the same way I hate the Jazz. I respect the HELL out of both teams, and I love what the stand for and how they go about business...but I've just never liked either team/dynasty.