OT: NBA Draft Open Thread
I have no idea what the Rockets need, but if they could trade McGrady for another good pick, I'd be down for that. I have never been able to follow the NBA. Even when I was a kid and the Rockets won back-to-back championships, I couldn't be a fan of basketball. It just didn't interest me. I had football and baseball to occupy my time for the entire basketball season. Even today, I could tell you more about sports like tennis, soccer, or volleyball than I could about basketball.
I just know plenty of fans that think McGrady just isn't what he once was, nor was the hype all he was made out to be (in many of their defenses, they didn't buy the hype in the first place).
I told you guys I don't follow the team. That just seals how little I can take of the NBA.
but,,, T-Mac plays, (see: cashes checks from) the NY Knicks now.
That is actually Tracy McGrady's corpse that plays for the Knicks.
(copyright B. Simmons)
you are just proving how little you are a fan of basketball, but McGrady was traded to the Knicks in February...and yes, he is not the player he once was, and still has never played on a team to make it out of the first round of the playoffs.
Meanwhile, I would love to see the Pistons shake things up by trading Rip and/or Tay, but I don't see them making a move tonight. Probably end up with Udoh or Monroe.
you guys beat me to it...proving how slow a typer I am.
About as slow as Rockets news is to me.
Lakers Vs. Celtics next year in the finals. I stopped watching NBA basketball lately. It seems like the NBA office and refs are all in on one thing... Money and ratings. They're trying to get each series to 7 games only to see the bigger market city eventually win. I'm surprised that a series isn't the best of 9 yet.
Best thing in the NBA next week will be watching the city of Cleveland burn down when Lebron goes somewhere else.
F Ohio.
The Celtics only made the Finals because they played incredibly well in the playoffs. That was not a fluke and was not rigged by the NBA. Rondo exploded up until the Finals and they had their core players completely healthy, which is what brought them there. In the Finals they didn't play too well, and...they ended up in a Game 7 situation. The game was very good and...being a Celtics fan it sucked, but...it was a good game.
Do the stars get preferential treatment? Yea, they do...but does that mean the series is rigged? HELL NO
While we can all agree that LeBron should come to NYC, and that the refs are instructed to extend series (though there were a ton of sweeps this year), it's ridiculous to argue that in a game 7 the NBA cares which team wins the title. How do ratings go up if the Lakers win game 7 instead of the Celtics? Everybody is already watching.
The NBA has 99 problems, but fixing Finals game 7s ain't one.
My favorite joke to tell people who are talking about the NBA is that it is my second favorite fake sport to watch behind the WWF (or WWE or whatever it is called now).
just traded the 17th pick and hinrick to washington
False.
1) It's "Hinrich"
2) Washington won't have the cap space available until early July, so it's a deal "in good faith". By no means "traded" or done.
But if you have a deal in place, and everyone knows you have a deal in place, and then you back out on it, your word is mud in GM circles, so I have a hard time believing that they'd actually back out on it in a couple of weeks. And even if they did, supposedly Sacramento is ready to take the deal if Washington can't.
It apparently means the Bulls have room for two max guys now. LeBron and Bosh? NY's only selling point now is NY itself -- he can take a max guy with him to Chicago now too, and plug the two of them into a much more talented roster than what the Knicks have.
I agree with you 100%.
My post was meant to legitimize the fact that it's not a done deal (yet). Will it happen? Most likely (you mention the Kings theory which brings the liklihood even higher).
It's looking like Chicago and MIami are the best ideas for 'Bron if he wants a ring. Both cities have them and can sign two max players. However, with Chicago, you could have:
Rose, Wade, Bron, Deng/Gibson, Noah
Rose, Player X, Bron, Bosh, Noah
Rose, Joe Johnson, Bron, Deng/Gibson, Noah
Rose, Player X, Bron, Amare, Noah
Any way you slice it up, if Chicago brings in two max players - they are the most talented team in the league by a wide margin.
The stars are lining up for my bulls....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrAOSmSIZPs&feature=player_embedded
Better than D Wade, Chrish Bosh, and another max contract?
Listen, having room for three max contracts doesn't even matter since that leaves only 9 mil for the rest of the team. Two is really the max since you have to pay the the rest of the roster. I also think Lebron wants it to be his team. Kobe couldn't get away from the Shaq thing for years. The heat still don't have a good roster or much of a roster left at this point. In the end The Heat,Bulls and NYC will get great FA guys. It just depends who lands the biggest prize(assuming he leaves the cavs).
OK and since you're a Bulls fan I'm assuming you think that D Rose and Noah are good? Considering Noah was already hurt last year and prior to last year he was no more than 7 pts and a few boards, he cant be relied upon. I give the Bulls Rose but thats about it. So D Rose and whatever FA Chicago signs will be better than anyone in the East?
I know quite a few Bulls fans and they're assuming Lebron and Bosh go to Chicago and they just become the greatest dynasty ever. LOL. Like D Wade isnt going to be able to convince anyone to play with him in South Beach and no income tax. I'd put money up that IF the Bulls did get Lebron, Miami would still be a better team than them.
First about Noah, yeah in his 2nd year he avg 6pt and 7 rebs. Not everyone just comes out of the gate and is a monster. In his 3rd year he avg 10 ppg and 11 rebs and 1.6 bpg and lead the NBA in reb before his injury. He is on the upswing and was a borderline AS before his injury. I think you are really selling him short for whatever reason. He stilled played in 65 games and playoffs so no he's not injury prone. He played two full seasons before that. At the moment he is one of the best picks not named Durant in the 07 draft. Oh in the Playoffs he avg 14 and 13 with almost 3 dimes. In game three he had 21 and 20... What more do you want?
I don't assume anything. I assume we will get someone but not sure who. I don't think anyone will form super teams. I think Lebron goes to Chi and Joe Johnson comes(it's been said he is ready to sign on june 1st with the bulls) or Lebron stays put and the Bulls get Johnson and maybe a Amare or someone a tier down.
I'm not sure whay makes you so high on the Heat. They are an awful roster besides Wade. Beasley is a nut case and isn't gonna be anything. Lebron,Noah and Rose would be a hell of a team. So would the heat if they can sign Bosh and Wade but to say the Bulls won't be right there is silly. All this are going on "ifs" so I may have wasted my time. In the end it's fun and we have a great chance to get better.
Before his foot injury, Noah was putting up something around a 15/12/3 (points/boards/blocks). He's one of the 6 or 7 best Centers in the NBA. Does that say something about how awesome NBA Centers are? Sure.
Kirk,,, man,, when Agent Zero asks "What one you want?" DON'T ANSWER!
I'd be wary of Cousins. He's an incredible talent but the chances of him becoming a star are about equal to the chances of him doing something inexplicably crazy. The dude's got issues.
draft coverage, or really listened to much about him. What is the background with these "issues?" Is it just that he's really immature? I didn't watch many Kentucky games at all, so I'm kinda behind I guess...
Sorry if it's common knowledge. I'm just a little curious. Thanks!
will come out of this draft with Cousins, I was excited. Everything today has seemed to say they don't. I'm honestly not sure what to think. My top 7 for the Pistons are
- Wall-No brainer
- Cousins-He may be a head case, but he's worth the risk.
- Turner-Doesn't really fit, but he is too talented to pass up.
- Favors-May not love the game, but you can't teach what he has.
- Monroe-Size,size,size.
- Udoh-Again, need size, and there isn't much left.
- Bledsoe-True point, though may be a reach this high.
I want no part of Wesley Johnson or Ed Davis...
Kentucky going 1-2 makes me sick. Calipari is a slimeball.
Re-read his post. He was saying that is the order of players he would like the PISTONS to take, not the NBA draft to go.
Consensus is John Wall Dance is #1 and then Evan Turner is #2.
Cousins is probably going between #4-#6 overall (I'm not sold on Minny taking Wes Johnson - but I guess David Kahn could be that stupid).
Calipari is still a slimeball.
But could you imagine if Bledsoe and Orton went back to school for one more year? They could easily top this same list a year from now. Orton's bum knee will cause him to slide to the mid twentiesish. He was probably heading for the lottery before his workouts. And a year as without Wall (though with Knight) could have shot Bledsoe into top 5 territory.
I think you misunderstood his post...
And ironic you mentioned a guy named Orton.
that was a reply fail
Do you watch college basketball? Bledsoe had an assist to turnover ratio of less that 1!! When he played point and Wall wasn't on the floor he looked terrible. Bledsoe was not an a super elite recruit (23 rivals, 30 scout), he can't shoot (67% ft%), has a bad handle, and doesn't get to the foul line. He's a really quick undersized shooting guard with above average but not elite athleticism (think ben gordon without the shot).
I think you draft this guy in late first, early second and hope he develops into something in the next 3-4 years. I'm expecting him to be a pretty big bust this year.
The game is worse than WWE, and with that said, Vince McMahon at least puts on a good show. I am no hater, but don't you think the other cities want a piece also? I get tired of hearing about Miami, New York, Chicago, and New Jersey. So what they have cap space! What does cap space mean? Will you automatically be in position to win a title? It seems the NBA wants to turn those cities into title contenders. It brews of conspiracy, but then again I heard on the freep from a poster that the Pistons only won the title beacuse get this " The Lakers conspired to be old (yet they had second best record in NBA that year) and not turn it up when it came to DEEEEEEETROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIT Basketballlllllllllllllllllllll! Our time (Pistons Fans) will come soon. Just be patient.
I'm sure your Uncle was great.
He was alright nothing to boast about, besides he went to the greatest University in the country(UofM). Played with the likes of Greer, Wrangler, Wolfolk,Carter, etc you get the picture and probably the greatest coach to not win a National Title BO. Go Blue!
Cap space means they can afford 1-2 of James,Bosh,Wade,Lee,Stoudemire,Gay,Johnson. The NBA is a superstar league with the one exception being DEEEEEEETROOOOOIIIIIIT basketball. You need these guys to compete, and they won't come if you can't afford to surround them with talent. The easiest way to do that in the NBA is free agency, and signing these guys takes.....cap space. Also the WWE comparisons aren't fair. Who here would be truly shocked to see Ron Artest wielding a chair?
EDIT-spelling error
If you know little enough about the NBA to not be aware of the significance in having cap-space in this off-season, why would you comment on an NBA thread?
I was being sarcastic, sorry if it wasn't elaborate enough for you to understand.
Incoherent rant.
Looking back to the start of the decade, here are your first round picks for the Pistons:
2000- Mateen Cleeves
2001- Rodney White
2002- Tayshaun Prince
2003- Darko Milicic, Carlos Delfino
2004- No pick
2005- Jason Maxiell
2006- No pick
2007- Rodney Stuckey, Arron Afflalo
2008- DJ White
2009- Austin Daye
Other than passing up on D Wade, Bosh, and Anthony in '03, has Joe D served this team well with the first round picks over the years?
Dumars needs to do something to get his reputation back. You win with superstars and Cousins has that potential. Dumars doesn't want to give up Prince to move up to 5 and take Cousins. He is crazy. Cousins on a young immature team could be a terrible thing. Cousins on Detroit after he falls to 5 could be dynamite. Make it happen Joe!
Also, if Monroe falls to 7th as predicted that's very lucky. Monroe I think will be really good and make a few all star games on the right team. If the Pistons end up with Ed Davis or Udoh I think they miss a huge opportunity.
Chad ford has Manny going in second round to Boston (which i hate because i hate boston but i'd be great IMO for him)
I just ask on ESPN's Daily Dime Live Chat where he'd go and got an answer. Zach Harper (of Hardwood Paroxysm/Truehoop Network): "I don't think Manny Harris gets drafted tonight but if he doesn't, he's a lock to be one of the D-League success stories."