OT: NBA Draft Lottery
not OT, finally.
I'll go back to not caring about the NBA.
they should use a plinko board instead of the ping pong ball sucker.
The Stones won like 5 out of 6 to end the season right? Even when they win, they lose.
PS-Miguel Cabrera is unreal.
I was watching them go from tied for the coin flip for the 3rd pot to a coin flip for the 7th. Just like 2012. And 2011. And 2010. And 2009....
It netted them Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond. Monroe is a mainstay while Drummond would have been #2 overall if there is a redraft.
They could actually have taken them with the higher pick? All a higher pick does is allows you to take someone better, or makes sure you don't have to hope other teams pass on those guys for you to have a shot at them.
Regardless, 4 years in the lottery and they still don't have a franchise player to show for it. They need to tank high enough to not lose the pick and get a top pick in NEXT year's draft, but they'll probably win just enough to get wasted by Miami in the Playoffs, or just miss it, and not have a draft pick to show for it, and forever be in the middle of the conference.
Bobcats will win first pick
I think you mean the Hornets.
At last report, the most likely order would be Magic, Bobcats, Cavaliers then Suns for the first four. If I am not mistaken, the lottery actually has not been won by the team with the worst record since 2004, when - oddly enough - the Magic used this pick on some dude named Dwight Howard.
If Orlando or New Orleans gets top pick, Trey has a shot to go #1 overall. Longshot but there's a chance
Trey has a good track record with long shots.
Absolutely. Well now that Cleveland has the pick we know he wont go #1.
Who wants him to go to a team owned by a stereotypical, whiny Sparty anyway? Gilbert really is a typical Sparty isnt he? Never thought about that before tonight.
And they "won" the coin flip with Washington.
The only time they catch a lottery break...Darko. Sigh.
The Darko mistake is overrated. There were three top guys that year, and while the Pistons got the bust, they are also the only team of the three to win a championship since that draft.
In retrospect they should've taken Wade, but hindsight is 20/20 and they were in good shape at the 2 at the time. I don't think they'd have won the title with Melo.
But they get paid the big bucks to know MORE than the fan on the street, not just as much. You're in the most talent rich draft of the last 25 years with a top pick and you come away with nothing, That's a problem. Frankly, if they weren't excited about Carmelo (who they didn't take because they had Prince...I mean, really) and they were going for a big guy they should have taken Bosh. He was thought to be up there, and less of a stretch at the time than Wade. Bosh might have meant they didn't need to trade for Sheed, or he'd have been a hell of a rotation in the front court. And when Ben left they probably would have kept playing for championships.
Lol we win the coin flip with Washington and still lose....RAGE!!!
Looks like those $3.95 Stubhub tickets will be safe next year.
I have a hard time believing this is actually legit. But then again.. I'm a cynical asshole.
We've made the best out of the 6,7, and 9 picks. Might as well complete the quad
I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have Kemba Walker or Klay Thompson over Knight at this point.
im actually taking tobias harris now. but still, those three guys with those picks? thats pretty good
Kyrie Irving, #1 pick this year and LeBron comes back as a FA. Hmmm
What makes you think Cleveland is where LeBron wanted to go?
OK, but it's not like he made an ultimatum, Eli Manning-style, that it was Cleveland or else.
I feel like your thinking is all over the place here. Patrick Ewing isn't from NYC, so why didn't the NBA rig the lottery to "keep him happy"? What about some other cases? How do you explain San Antonio, a small-market team, twice winning the lottery when franchise big men were available? Was there no conspiracy those years?
I'm no big fan of Stern's, but for every "fishy" lotto winner, I think you can find plenty that weren't.
I'll allow it.
Moar Lebron payback
Should you really get that excited over getting the #1 instead of #2 pick in this draft?
I don't see the Nerlens Noel hype and everyone thinks he'll go #1. Maybe when LeBron comes back in a few years as a FA he'll have an offensive game by then.
Well...Trey definetely isn't going #1 now. Not with Kyrie
But he's probably going #2 to Orlando
Sucks he won't have anyone to play with though...
If he doesn't go #2 and Orlando takes McLemore...then Burke will likely slide unless (or until) someone trades up for him.
Really no one would need a PG until #7 Sacramento and they too could go with a wing player.
Obviously the Pistons fans would love to have him at #8.
IMO, if he doesn't go #2, he still goes Top 5 because someone will trade up for him. Hopefully Detroit.
I don't know how they would do it, but somehow I'd love to see Detroit come away with Burke and Shabazz Muhammed. Trade everyone not named Drummond, Monroe or Knight if you have to. Wishful thinking.
By all means, trade Knight if you have to
Trey won't make it past New Orleans at 6 if the Magic don't take him.
Greivis Vazquez had a very good year. Even led the NBA in assists, I think. I mean, it always depends who else is available, and whether or not they want to commit to Vazquez long-term (he can sign an extension to his rookie deal this offseason), but PG was not a weakness for New Orleans last year.
Unfortunately for Trey it could be a bit of a wait if Orlando doesn't take him, unless some team wisely trades up. But the Pistons could end up lucking out (if they'd even know what to do with the pick.)
and hes a smart player. But hes already 26 and is very likely near his ceiling as a player.
I also think that there is a cliff after the top 5 or 6 players in the draft, noel,mclemore,burke,porter,oladipo,bennett, so i doubt theyd reach positionally for a lower ranked player.
New Orleans runs a lot of screen roll as well, and they may be shopping eric gordon, their combo guard, so despite having Vasquez, I dont see them passing on Burke if hes there. But it does look like #2 or #6 for Burke unless there is a trade in there.
I have never seen anything like the rotten fucking luck the Pistons have in the draft lottery.
You guys deserve it for drafting Darko.
Who is enameled with Darko? There's rumor that some preferred Darko over LeBron but definitely Darko over Melo/Wade/Bosh.
They haven't really had bad luck in the lottery. They just haven't been able to beat the odds. Their bigger problem is that they always win a bunch of games at the end when they should be tanking.
In 2010 they were tied with the 76ers and the Sixers ended up with the 2nd pick. This year they were tied with the Wizards and Washington ends up with the 3rd pick. Things may have fallen for them on draft day, but teams at the same spot as they were defied the odds and bumped them back.
This was the best case scenario for Trey. He will probably be taken second by Orlando now.
This wasn't even close to the best case scenario... The Magic are the only team in the top 4 that needs a PG. It's also definitely no guarantee that the Magic pass up on McLemore for Burke. He could definitely fall out of the top 5 now.
I think Noel and McLemore are the top 2 prospects in the draft and I dont think it is likely that a team takes Burke in front of either.
So the best case for Trey was to have teams that need Mclemore or Noel pick 1 and 2, so theyre off the board and then have point guard needy teams lined up 3,4,5.
Is Noel really going to be a center? At the combine he measured in at 207 lbs. That seems very very slight for someone expected to play on the inside.
As a cavs fan I like this in theory. I'm not sure how I feel about drafting a raw beanpole 19 year old coming off of an acl tear.
A raw beanpole 19 year old coming off an ACL tear...
...with a dope ass haircut.
As a fellow Cavs fanatic I love it. Nerlens doesn't need an offensive game immediately. Offense is far from the problem of the Cavs. Noel will score 10 a game off lobs from a driving Kyrie and Dion, or at least off some driving Kyrie and Dion hockey assists.
The problem is his knee and if he can come back relatively sooner than later. I'm scared as heck. I know a lot of people talk about LeBron coming back ... Which would be awesome. The problem is if LeBron doesn't come back, they draft a paper mâché ACL in Nerlens and he can't or doesn't come back until next year they may not win many games again this year. Kyrie at the end of the was getting SAAAALLLTTTYYY at the losing and it showed in his demeanor. Last thing I want as a Cavs fan is another superstar and what could wind up being a top 5 player in the league in a couple years leaving like LeBron did.
Cleveland is the factory of sadness.
I don't think Lebron is ever coming back. No inside info, just what I think. Having the first pick is great, but I'm just not in love with Noel. Based on the current roster I'd love to see the cavs package the 19,31, and 32 for another top ten pick. We need a tall rangy 3.
Absolutely. I just don't really see Porter as a #1 and a trade back isn't very likely. The 19, 32 and 1 of next years #1's could move us into the top ten and definitely get Shabazz who I dislike more and more or maybe a Porter that is falling out of the top 5. That is my ideal scenario. Kyrie, Dion, Porter, Tristan, Noel with Varejao, Zeller, CJ Livingston Ellington and Gee in the bench is really solid .... A pipe dream, but an awesome one.
Just talked to my buddy. We reminisced about the old Richfield Coliseum. They went one step beyond the trough in the mens room. They tiled the floor, wall and added a raised tiled ridge to keep the piss from going everywhere. Basically, you pissed on the wall and floor. As a young kid it was a dream, come true.
Might be hard attracting FAs with that owner of yours.
That and it's Cleveland. Gotta build through the draft out of necessity.
and get andrew wiggins
As bad as most of the professional leagues have treated Detroit, part of me thinks that there is no way they will ever win the lottery, even if they tank for ten years straight.
Either he's REALLY small, or the woman interviewing him in this ESPN video is huge. I'm guessing the former.
I just want the Pistons to be good again.
Is that too much to ask for?
The Stones need a leader and Trey Burke is that man. Without a trade, Trey will be long gone by the time we pick. CURSE YOU DUMARS!!!!! You continue to put out a team thats just good/bad enough to pick mid lottery. HIRE BRIAN SHAW!!!!
I don't mind the 8th overall pick. They can still get good players at that spot. Dumars have darted well in 1st round recently but it helps that Monroe, Knight and Drummond fell to his spot.
Anthony Bennett would be a perfect bridge player for Monroe and Drummond as a Lamar Odom type at the 4. He has good size, skills and is a good all around player.
CJ McCollum isn't a bad consolation prize if they don't get Burke but Pistons have a million combo guards on the roster. If Dumars thinks that he can be a PG in the next level, he may be the pick.
Still a chance that either Otto Porter or Victor Oladipo could fall to their spot. You just never know.
He plays a position they need and went to Georgetown, so he's easy to market.
That said, I think they'd be smarter to try and trade Wall and pick Burke.
So obviously happy night for me. Still, I hate the Cavs. Hate them more than the Knicks/Celtics/Heat. Glad there isn't a true #1 stud for them to take.
Having said that, 3 is a good spot to be. Noel should go #1, Mclemore or Burke to the Magic I would assume. Leaves Otto Porter, Bennett, and either Mclemore/Burke. Mclemore and Burke wouldn't fit in DC, unfortunately, but could be involved in a trade.
Lots of excitement on 'Bullets Forever' about potential trades. Could be a lot of value attached to the pick on draft day, but some of these trades are pure Wizards fan porn:
($, but you can see the top 3 picks)
rethorical thinking... If I was a GM of a team would I listen to the fans?
Was so hoping the Mavs would get lucky even though their sights are set on CP3. Trey could be a better shooting version of him in 3 years. Hopefully they take Timmy, or trade up for Burke.
I think there is a great chance that Trey ends up with the Pistons. I would have liked to see him go further up, but the teams above the Pistons are getting decent production out of the position, and I don't know if any of them would consider Trey enough of an upgrade to use a high lottery pick on him.
With the Pistons not bothering to interview him, it looks like classic "sandbagging" and trying to hide their true intentions.
Thought I'd throw this into the dogpile, as a few posts have suggested the Cavs trade down.
Wouldn't be a bad move in this draft, IMHO. Anyone who watched Nerlen' injury should have second thoughts about the young man's knees/health. I hope nothing but the best for the young man, but I would be very nervous using a number one pick on him.
Hoping that Porter somehow falls to the Pistons. We need a SF very badly. Could use a PG or a SG as well. We're just hurting on the perimeter and I don't see Knight as anything more than a combo guard off the bench, which is fine.