...they had a playoff so there wasn't any doubt?
OT - National Championship Game "What If"
What if LSU was crowned national champs tonight and all the bowl games were simply one game exhibitions?
Edit: not a reply to your post, I hit the wrong reply button.
In a multi-tier playoff, if the higher ranked team loses to the lower ranked team, the lower ranked team wins that round and advances. Doesn't matter whether the victory was in achieved in extremely unusual circumstances. Doesn't matter the ranking disparity of the two teams. Doesn't matter if the higher rated team had beaten the lower rated team previously that season. So, while the issue the OP refers is not solved with a multi-tier playoff folks are generally accepting of this.
The 1 game/2 team NCG is a weird form of a playoff, so I don't get why folks wouldn't accept that the lower ranked team could win and be crowned champion. It doesn't matter how you get to the championship game. It just matters if you win that game.
If they had a playoff most likely these teams would meet in the final. So if his scenerio happened where Alabama won super close then the playoff would give us the same result as the BCS. 1-1 record of LSU vs Alabama.
I was thinking the same thing. 'Bama wins the MNC. Some will go for a split MNC, but the fact is the last man standing wins. Sparty learned that yesterday.
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Just don't ask him about the bulldog...
If I watched such a game, I could only tell you that I would be asleep by halftime.
In any event, it would provide more evidence that the BCS is a horific tragedy, and if voters still kept LSU at #1 despite a loss in the NCG, it would show that, among Miles' other talents, is the art of hypnotizing the media.
There is no split. Coaches have to vote for the winner of that game. If its 153-2 or 2-0. AP is dead.
The voters are obligated to vote for the winner. At best, you could get them an AP national championship, but what is that really worth.
Hey! Careful there.
It would be worth half of the MNC
Just ask the 1997 Michigan football team.
What is an AP national championship worth in the BCS era though. No one really considers USC the champs
Or what if it's 13-5 or 7-6 or better yet 12-11? What then? What happens if the score is 21-20 but then 24-23 but ends up 31-30? I'd be like, damn...what now?
I believe that the human polls that the BCS utilizes require them to vote the winner of the title game #1 in the final poll. This is why the AP broke off and can choose to vote OSU or LSU #1, if Alabama were to win.
Not entirely true, the AP broke off in 2004 after Mack Brown made HUGE amounts of lobbying and publicizing for Texas to go to the Rose Bowl over California
I thought they broke off because they realized what a sham the BCS was and didn't want to have a part of giving legitimacy to it. Or something to that effect.
If nothing else, the fact that there is a rematch between Alabama and LSU confirms that. This makes the umpteenth time that a team that couldn't even win its conference finds itself in the National Championship game. Hell, this team couldn't even win its division. And it shows just how enamored the various folks are with a conference that flouts the rules. Of course they are going to be heads and shoulders above the competition.
So I'll watch the Michigan game...probably the Sparty game but I'm not going to watch the "Championship". And I'd put money down that Alabama will win.
What if the moon were made of barbeque spare ribs, would you eat it then? I know I would. Heck, I'd have seconds. Then polish it off with a tall cool Budweiser.
If the moon were made of MCRIBS, I'd leave it the f**k alone.
I was with you until "Budweiser". I don't do that to myself
that the SEC expands to a 117-team conference after the MNC game. It's the only way ESPN commentators will be appeased by the outcome of the BCS polls.
I feel like Alabama would have to win by a ridiculous score of 50-0 before I would put anybody else above LSU as #1.
LSU beat Oregon in Dallas, West Virginia in Morgantown, Alabama in Tuscaloosa, Arkansas and Georgia in Atlanta. They have one of the best resumes of any team I can think of from recent years. They have already beaten 3 of the 9 other BCS teams.
...a thousand times.
LSU already went into Alabama's stadium and beat them there.
Of had the chance to pound OSU. No other college football team in history would of had such an impressive schedule
What if 'Bama beat LSU and Okie State pounded Stanford. Any chance Okie State would get some AP votes? I think this is more likely than LSU getting votes just bc it'd be fresh in voters minds.
Edit: Sorry, similar post below
I feel that you are doing nothing more than digging yourself a 'hole!'
But I like they way you think!
Would ND automatically be included in any playoff system?
The BCS Computers will simply shut down, reboot, and ask Lee Corso if he wants to play a game of chess.
Didn't want a good movie reference to go without acknowledgement.
If they won 9-3 in overtime on a missed LSU field goal it should be a tie. That would just be rediculous.
this is why it is dumb to put alabama in there. ok state would have been much better for LSU to crush.
of course, this will all be moot when the oversigning bowl ends, and lsu has won 35-3.
What's more, if Alabama wins a sloppy, low scoring game (like the last one) and OkSt dominates Stanford, does the AP start looking at OkST as champs?
My greates hope this bowl season is that this happens. Anything that help hasten the end of the BCS makes me happy.
If Bama wins I feel like LSU totally has grounds to stay #1. They played a harder schedule and left it unscathed, and their only loss would be to #2 Alabama. Bama's schedule has been laughable this season.
I hope the AP picks LSU as the champ regardless of the outcome of the MNCG. They earned it and just because Alabama gets a rematch doesn't mean they should get the title. I think the most chaotic thing that could happen (long term) would actually be if LSU crushed Alabama like 31-10. The circular arguments for the SEC being dominant would be hilarious
they are 1-1 against LSU, with LSU winning against them at home and AL winning against LSU at a neutral site. With a stronger strength of schedule and more convincing record against 'Bama, I think it's very reasonable to put LSU first regardless of the outcome of the NCG.
This is why the rematch was a colossal fail on the part of voters.
but the game is being played in Louisiana.
they deserve the NC with no argument. I think this LSU team is one of the best teams I've seen in many years. Their 4th string RB is better than 80% of the teams 1st string and their only weakness is somewhat slow starts. I think LSU will beat them by 14 because this may as well be a home game for them.
is not good.
If LSU destroys Bama then a real shit storm starts. Especially if OK State wins.
Coaches have to vote for the winner of the BCS championship game. AP voters could still vote for LSU or OSU. I just know that I won't be watching it. I'd spend the whole game just bitching the Bama is there.
Agree with you. Let's protest the SEC NCG by not watching. Can you imagin the fallout if the NCG ratings were the lowest since the BCS started? What kind of message would that send? ESPN manipulated and pressured votes to get a SEC matchup and let's reward them by tuning out.
Think the new Coke is better than the old Coke, which is still better than Pepsi, but not in the same league as Dr Pepper which has SEC speed.
What about Vernors?
They've changed the formula, I think.
More importantly, though, there is no doubt that LSU is the best team in the country. Even if Bama beats them, I still don't see how anyone can say LSU is not the overall best team in the country. The current system is flawed because it clamors for a definitive "best" team. Whereas in basketball, we all accept that the best team rarely actually wins the national title. It's interesting that one sport embraces this fact and another tries like hell to defy it. Really shows how much influence the bowl commitees have. Surely the NCAA realizes that combining March Madness with their flagship sport would make them richer than they already are.
Bama beats them 31-7?
LSU has beaten the #2, 6, 7, 18, and 23 ranked teams (final AP poll). Only one of those games was at home.
They are the best teams hands down. They beat Alabama and Alabama didn't play anyone other than LSU.
How awsome would it be for LSU to lose the National Championship game and still be declared National Champions?
It would be the final sign of the Armegeddon. The whole pathetic innane system would come crashing down. Even people in Uzbekistan who think that football is soccer and colleges are where you go to attend classes would hear about it and make fun of us.
This must happen.
in the early years of college football.
Pretty much what I was thinking. Unless LSU loses big to Bama I don't know know how you still don't say LSU is the best team in the Nation.
It's so annoying to listen to all these talking heads completely ignoring this possibilty.
Or am I wrong and the winner of the game is automatically decrlared the champ ignoring the polls?
....for those of us who have been saying for years that the BCS computer needs someone to open "cmd.exe" and type in "Format C:" at the prompt.
A precedent was set in 2006. Even if things are "different" this year, it still shouldn't happen.
it is the National Championship Game...period...feel any way you like but that is the deal
Not really. It's the "BCS Championship" game. I don't believe the NCAA recognizes the winner as an official NCAA National Champion.
Didn't say anything about "official" or "NCAA". Virtually everyone recognizes it as the National Championship game, so it is.
Alabama. They won the game that counted, so they should be the champion.
In the 1992 basketball season, the Fab Five's freshman year, we lost to Ohio State twice during the season. However, we played them in the tournament, and beat them in the Elite Eight, so we advanced and they went home. That's how a playoff works, whether it's 64 teams or only 1 game. It isn't the BCS's fault that the voters and the computers agree that LSU and Bama are the best two teams in the country. This year, it did what it was designed to do.
But the BCS's motto is "every game counts". That is literally their twitter name: twitter.com/EveryGameCounts So according to the system, the game that LSU already won was one that counted.
The BCS bills itself as a not-playoff that preserves the importance of every regular season game. Therefore, there are few situations in which I would say that LSU doesn't deserve the AP championship. If Alabama beats LSU, they get the Coaches Poll but the AP Poll should go to LSU.
The computers in no way agree that Alabama is #2. In fact they give a 4-2 edge to Oklahoma State.
It's a shame OSU didn't get a shot. Blackmon against those CB's would be fun to watch. And WVU put up more yards than anyone else did against LSU and OSU runs the same system, much better too. I'll turn the game on in the 2nd half when LSU decides to show up and blow Alabama up and hope Saban's head explodes.