A woman lost her life because she didn't seem upset after Alabama lost. She was called "not a true fan" and then was shot.
Discuss this craziness.
A woman lost her life because she didn't seem upset after Alabama lost. She was called "not a true fan" and then was shot.
Discuss this craziness.
What the fuck......
Football is bigger then god in the south
Okay judge Phelan...
So what's on tap?
So what's on tap?
not sure, but it's a two-for-one deal
football, then god
Alabama fans just like to kill things, giant, beautiful old trees, people...whatever. God I hate the south.
"hate the south"...how can you hate an entire region?
comments like this aren't even worth my time. I guess anytime someone is shot in Detroit, Saginaw, Flint etc. are shot because they felt "disrespected", people by your logic should hate the state of Michigan
apparently the comment was worth your time though
Detroit isn't in the South
Uhh, it's in southern Michigan...and coincidentally, just north of Ohio, so there you go.
Not well put on my pat, what I hate is the attitude of many southerners.
I have lived in the South my entire life except for three years in high school in Michigan and four of the greatest years of my life in Ann Arbor. And I completely agree with your sentiment.
I was responding to Boom.
I am in full agreement, not a fan of the south
You have clearly never lived here. It's an awful place with awful people
I feel the same way about the Midwest.
But that's why the SEC won the last 7 NC's.
Roll Damn Tide.
I'm not surprised that a football fan killed another over a game. What does surprise me was that the killer & the victim were both women. That's more of what I'd expect out of male fans of football. Sad tragedy. It's just a game, people!
I'm more surprised that they were Alabama fans. Everyone in that state just seem so level-headed.
Football fans in the deep south...
It's really not all of them. Many of my closest friends, a number of my employees, etc. are Bama fans. They root for their team like we do. However, there is a very large element of the population of this State that is uneducated, has limited prospects and have a bizzare world view that has their very sense of self worth tied directly to Alabama's football program. The truth of the matter is that many of these people resent their fellow fans that went to college, even the University of Alabama. But the Tide, that is worth caring about. It is absolutely surreal.
I live in Tuscaloosa and it is just a different world.
Would you rather live in Austin, TX or Tuscaloosa? Not that any of that matters to Saban.
Ohio, State of.
Please, Pay attention to details. THEE Ohio, state of.
Agreed. OSU fans are more likely to beat you up outside their stadium, but Alabama fans are more likely to kill a fellow fan for not being fan enough. The fringe of Alabama fans are OSU fans on steroids.I spoke in an earlier post when posters talked about having good experiences with Bama fans at Bowl games, Jerry world etc. I think the Bama fans who are well off enough to go to games, etc. are better than OSU fans. It is the people who treat George Wallace (along with Bear Bryant) with reverence to this day that are the scary ones. I will say that Auburn does not have to send out warnings to fans not to wear their colors to Bryant Denny.
It really does come down to socioeconomics. The well heeled traveling fans are almost always the cream of the crop . . . with any fan base. But Alabama & to a somewhat lesser extent Ohio have so many poorer, less educated fans that it becomes a tribal mentality.
Disgusting. Pathetic. There's not enough words in the thesaurus.
As you might have guessed, AL.com is all over this (HERE).
According to this, the victim's sister (there is a link to more detailed information in the story above) had an account of the story which went as follows:
" Neketa Shepherd said her sister was an Alabama fan, but even more than Alabama, she loved The Miami Heat. After the game ended, she and her sister were joking around, not about Alabama's loss, but about the Miami Heat. Briskey, Neketa Shepherd said, apparently took their joking the wrong way and became mad that they weren't more upset over Alabama's loss."
The local news report said that the murderer told the police, "I didn't mean to kill her. Can I go home now?"
My wife made a good point - that Bama fan is going to now be wearing orange.
But seriously, they just don't have perspective down there. They have escalated from trees to people.
Being forced to be a Syracuse football fan seems like a just punishment
I really do not know how to respond to this. I keep telling myself that this is extremely troubling. Then I think to myself that maybe people in the south just need a secondary hobby, for the times when things just don't work out the way you want.
Needless to say, I'm glad I am not in Dixie. I am sure this is neither the first or last time something like this will happen over a football game down there.
Murders take place for countless reasons. Anger, fear, jealousy, socioeconomic status, unemployment/employment, debt, etc.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass. Yes a death is a death no matter the reason. However, this woman was murdered over the loss of a local university football team. Seemingly neither party had a water on the game or anything that would/could provoke such behavior. Basically, she was killed because she wasn't seen as mournful enough that the team (Bama) lost. Haven't heard of that one yet here above the Mason-Dixon.
Has it happened before; more then likely. Does it occur fairly more often in the south; you bet.
Something along those lines is fair game.
"Then I think to myself that maybe people in the south just need a secondary hobby."
Now you're lumping everyone in the South into a stereotype. I don't think that's helpful, and as you can see, something attracted some posters on this board to live down there.
Somebody has to go there and boss those people around.
They would have no direction.
I am as appalled as you are by the situation, believe me. The suburb of Birmingham in which it occurred is just a few miles from my home and the poor woman had three children. But ironically your post discussed many of what I believe to be the underlying reasons for this element of the Alabama fan base including anger, fear, jealousy and most of all socioeconomic status. The attitude is "I'm never going to amount to anything nor will my kids, but we still have our Tide." It's really quite sad, when you look beyond people who do genuine harm like this awful woman or even Harvey Updyke.
You have to remember that this is the city where Paul Finebaum and his Jerry Springer show rejects live. It is an unbelievable tragedy, but nothing some of these people do surprises me.
Rammer Jammer Slammer
I keep telling myself not to single out the Bama fanbase, but man they sure have a lot of stupid people in that fanbase.
This is ridiculous and I hope the shooter serves serious time. Wow. I, for one, am hoping that Saban bolts Bama and heads for Austin. Surely he sees the crazy down there and after 8 years is ready to move on.
Only way he leaves is if Texas offers him twice as much money as Bama.
They'll match it.
Some seriously misplaced values here.
Someone get me a job back in the Midwest and get me out of the south. I can only handle uneducated people for so long.
Y'all're right. Deliverance is basically a documentary of my daily life. Clearly inferior to the midwest. Guess y'all're just more evolved than we are. Yep. Don't mind my hick self, just gonna go throw in some chewin' tobaccah and then impregnate my cousin.
then you should do something about it.
Who wants to be Cade Foster right now?
Maybe the reason Bama hasn't had a consistent kicker in recent memory is because no one wants death threats after every miss.
"Dawg, why'd you miss that 57-yard field goal you suck go die!"
Seriously though, his coaches might as well have painted a bullseye on him. Why anyone would be threatening him instead of the coaches who put him in a position to fail and didn't coach up the other ten players to watch for a return and maintain their lanes is beyond me.
Maybe it would look different if I were a spoiled Bama fan whose manifest destiny was to win every game from here into eternity. How many coaches do you think they'll burn through in the decade after Saban leaves/retires when they don't win the National Championship each year?
There has actually been an amazing outpouring of support for him (Tweets from teammates, a Facebook page expressly to support him has been huge.) I sent him a message of support from a Michigan fan on the Facebook page. The support has been really good to see. The bastards threatening him.......pathetic.
Poor kids going to have to kick from the Pope Mobile
I am genuinely pissed off about the way that kid has been treated although impressed by the backlash of support. However as seriously as I take that situation, your comment cracked me up.....another case where I wish I could upvote.
We've pretty much passed the point where anyone can say "don't let a few bad apples spoil the batch" when it comes to the Alabama fanbase. Murder, tree-killing, death threats to the kicker, tea-bagged LSU fans..... basically what it's come to is, if you are an Alabama fan, you're a sick fuck unless you can prove otherwise.
There are plenty of great people who are Alabama fans. I know. I live here. But there is undeniably a large number of them who are pathetic losers in the things that matter in life.
Its about a hour away from Birmingham. As everyone knows football is king and religious down here. They take this stuff way to serious and use excuses like, "Its just to much Bama in me."
There's not a lot of entertainment down here and that's putting it lightly. There's no pro teams so all they have is "roll tide" or "war eagle". That's why horrible senseless things like this can happen. The kicker and his family are also getting death threats.
Nothing new. I remember several years back a news story about a man that shot his wife in frustration over an Alabama loss. And this was before Saban was hired and Alabama lost quite often.
Well at least Michigan has Al Borges for years to come. Should never have to worry anyone taking winning that seriously.
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Really wish the higher-ups would move the process along a little bit more quickly in terms of getting the old upvote system back that is supposedly in the works. It really hurts not being able to upvote a post like this.
Its a funny comment. But id probably downvote, as it makes light of a murder. Just my delicate sensibilities I guess.
I'm glad lots of content is going up. I think I can wait until offseason is in full swing for upvoting/downvoting. Would rather read about football, hockey, and basketball.
What the hell is wrong with people?
Maybe this week is a good week to skip TWIS. Not that there's any pleasure to be taken from this in any way, but the opposite; pointing out how nuts fans can be over a football game isn't really that funny when people start acting out on being nuts.
The worst part (other than the murder itself) is the fact that half the comments under the news story are "Roll Tide!!!"
that doesn't surprise me.
I was shocked at how nice they were and were knowledgable and seemed interested in our team...sat around a good number of them.
But then again, the majority of the folks in Dallas probably have a different background than those who shoot each other over a game in a parking lot.
...but I really enjoyed the Bama fans I met at the 2001 Orange Bowl and when they played UCLA in an out of conference game at the Rose Bowl. I think expectations have changed since them...but they were pretty classy compared to fans from other schools I have encountered.
The people who shoot others in the parking lot over a loss or poison trees are not the kinds of Alabama fans you are going to meet at the Orange Bowl or at Jerry world.
- 30,000 actual Alabama fans that travel to Alabama games as opposed to fans of other teams that I have encountered...since there was some criticism of Bama fans above. There are crazy people everywhere...maybe there is just a higher concentration in Alabama.
You are right about the people who travel to games. But unfortunately your hypothesis about the number of crazy Alabama fans is also correct.
F U I-Phone.
The Alabama fan base is a fractious mix of two distinct groups who can't really stand each other.
At the top of the list is the 10-15% of the fan base that could actually be admitted to Alabama or attended the school.
This group hates most of the rest of the Alabama fan base with a passionate fury.
Right now they are reading this column and silently nodding.
I read this a while back and found it hysterical. (As I did his #2 on the list, Ohio State.) But this part was absolutely spot on, and not necessarily in a funny way.
I love sports, especially UM sports, but this makes NO sense to me. If you allow your sports fandom to drive you to the point that you wish bodily harm on someone, or to actually inflict bodily harm on someone, then you simply don't have enough going on in your life. And whatever you do have going on can't be worth a whole hell of a lot. This is sad and stupid on so many levels.
People are in a stupor over the loss. 115 teams would love to be 11-1 right now. Alabama is going to a BCS bowl. No doubt at all about that at this point the question now is it the Rose, Orange, Sugar or outside chance of backing into the championship.
If wondering how those play out, FSU and OSU win out they go to the Orange if MSU is 14th or higher, Rose if MSU is lower. FSU wins and OSU loses then sec champ goes to BCG and Bama goes to sugar. If both lose then Bama get back in the championship.
Given that the fans are still feeling this is a losing season. They have won 91% of their games since 2009, 90% since 2008. These guys just don't think they should ever lose and it has made them crazy. Too many people have everything tied up on how the football team does.
Stuffs real down Souf! Prayers sent!
that this woman would not have approved of going bowling on Saturday
Was her boyfriend the teacher high on heroin in the classroom last month?
Living here in Alabama is not a joke. They take football over god any time. I don't joke around with Alabama or auburn team. They remind me of Ohio fans big time mostly Alabama.
Will there now be an annual killing on behalf of the Tide after the Iron Bowl? Holy smokes!
I heard when questioned, the shooter paraphrased Clint Eastwood and said, "Well, she should have armed herself, if she was going to laugh at my Tide."
No Parole Tide
that Hand should choose Bama because their fans aren't crazy like Michigan fans were. Yeah right.
That is one the five most ridiculous statements I have ever heard. And I know both fan bases very well.
Cover story is this "football" murder along side some high school teacher having sex with a 17-yr old. What a state! I guess they miss sex and football early and often
The land of killing people over a football game and trampling people at a Walmart to save $200.
I slapped my wife around a bit after the ohio loss. Why didn"t you guys at least throw your wives or girlfriends to the floor once or twice? No? Well you guys aren't much of fans niether
"Shepherd said Briskey drank multiple shots of liquor during the game..."
College football in the south + ignorance + alcohol + loaded firearm = disaster
In June of 1963, Gov. George Wallace did his famous/infamous "stand in the schoolhouse door" to prevent three African-American kids from becoming the first black students at the University of Alabama, which had actively worked to prevent the admission of qualified black students. After the Alabama National Guard at the scene were federalized by President Kennedy, Wallace stepped aside after delivering his speech in defense of segregation.
Now, fifty years later, African-Americans are killing each other over a perceived lack of support of the University of Alabama. It's a peculiarly crazy form of "progress."
Stupidity + alcohol + rage + gun = Darwin.
As an OSU fan, I want to get over the feelings that I cannot quite control. I don't want to hate Michigan, really. That conditioning from youth feels familar and comforting, but it's unhealthy, like recreating dysfunctional family models in a failed marriage. Coming to terms with loss is developmentally a challenge, as I see in our five year old. But in many ways it's far more important than enjoying winning.
Good Lord, how awful. Thoughts and prayers for the family of the victim.
Nothing is ever good enough down there
I've had quite the opposite experience with Kentucky southerners
We lived in Baton Rouge for 6.5 years. Overall, it was a very good experience. Can't really say anything bad about it, except for the weather. Our three sons attended an excellent grade school that had great academics. When we returned to Michigan, we found our kids were a year ahead of the local curriculum.
For a thread about a tragic incident in which a mother of three lost her life, this thread contains a disturbingly high amount of snark and non-sequiturs.