Well, at least they don't have autism?
OT: Mumps outbreak at the Ohio State University of Viruses
I'm pretty sure that's sarcasm? considering the fact that generic disorders cannot be caused by vaccinations...
since the Anti-vaccination people have been underfire lately with measles showing up in a lot of American cities all of a sudden.
Measels? I thought we were talking about Mumps.
It's the MMR, which is not just a random collection of letters but stands for Measles, Mumps, Rubella. Mumps is not a laughing matter. It can affect your testicles, causing inflammation and sterility.
Ouuuu you just hit a soft spot. I never want to read or hear anything affecting my testicles.
but of course, take away the inflammation and pain, anything that keeps them (ohio) from procreating would be a good thing...amirite?
I know the demographics of this site. I thought people would definitely notice that information.
I thought it was the measles and the mumps...a gash, a rash and purple bumps. Little Peggy Ann McKay will not go to school today.
Yeah. Measles just broke out at Fordham University. Hundreds of people apparently are sick.
working theory is that a genetic abnormality is the dominant cause of autism but that theory is not without notable detractors. The consensus, if there is one, is that there may be certain genes giving certain individuals a predisposition to develop the traits connected to spectrum disorders, but there is a growing body of evidence that the disease is affected by environmental factors both during pregnancy and after birth, and that the disorder may very well be triggered by gastrointenstinal and digestive factors as well. So the consensus is there is no consensus, nor is it clear whether incidents of the disorder are increasing, though many suspect that they are dramatically. I think it is hard to rule out anything, including vaccinations at this point.
I'm not an immunologist but this guy is:
You can't rule out watching TV causes autism. You can't rule out eating hamburgers cause autism. You can't rule out visiting Mgoblog causes autism.
However, EVERY peer-reviewed published studies have shown that there is absolutely no connection between autism and vaccine.
As of this date, there is no existing evidence that a connection exists between vaccinations and autism. In the absence of scientific evidence showing a connection, parents should continue to have their children vaccinated according to the established guidelines and schedule. However, given the frequently observed correlation between the time that many of the vaccinations are given and the onset of symptoms in previously developmentally healthly children, research should continue for the purpose of determining whether vaccines, along with and in conjuction with other environmental factors, could play a role in the development of the disorder or the severity of symptoms.
Is there anything wrong with that? If so, what?
It's a waste of resources if it's been proven otherwise.
Rephrased to what you're actually saying: I don't care how many studies have shown there is no link between vaccination and autism, keep studying until you find one that justifies my position.
taken any position, other than to say that research should continue into the causes of autism. I know I know, I should be drawn and quartered.
This is a strawman argument. No one is saying we should stop research into autism. It should continue until we do find a cause for the disorder, which is why research into the cause has never stopped. However, that research has determined that vaccines are *not* the cause, so inisting on further research into that topic is a waste of money that could be used to find the actual cause.
But by insisting that potential causes may include vaccinations, despite loads of scientific data to the contrary, you have taken a position.
Ding ding ding. We have a winner described the scientific illiterate.
I sympathize with you (my sister in law's daughter has autism). However, you are dead wrong about the current state of research and how modern research occurs.
A lot of modern "research" today is being funded by big pharma. And where do many politicians biggest campaign contributions come from? Pharma is the biggest lobbyist in DC. They are in the CDC's pocket too.
I have friends on both sides of this argument. Smart people, all of them. I don't think it's as cut and dry as the up votes on here are making it appear.
Don't crucify me, but let's not be so quick to dismiss other people's viewpoints. If your child developed autism after birth, you might approach the issue in a very different way.
Here let me describe the amount of peer reviewed research showing a positive causal link between vaccines and autism:
About the same amount showing that the Sun orbits around the Earth.
FYI: Conspiracy sites do not count as peer reviewed research.
But IIRC, the whole thing that got this Vaccinations = Autism thing was a hack doctor who was either paid to do the study or just was on a mission to publish a study that said what he really wished was true. If he doesn't do that, I'm not sure anyone is discussing any possibility of causation and the anti-vaccination movement may not exist
Junk science is leading to the return and continued existence of numerous diseases that we should've wiped from the face of the earth by now
the criminal who authored the only study showing a link between vaccinations and autism.
Exactly, the only reason anyone thinks vaccinations cause autism is because of one hack who just made it up.
Kinda like why everyone thinks MSG is bad for you, one writer in a newspaper noticing his friends getting headaches after eating chinese food and deciding its because of MSG>
Kinda like why all of america is fat because the food pyramid is built on a base of grains and demonizes dietary fat because of Ancel Keys' seven countries study which only actually showed a correlation between fat consumption and heart disease and only did so because people in poor countries dont die from heart disease (they die from other stuff) and being in a poor country dont eat as much dietary fat.
If ijohnb replaced 'vaccinations cause autism' with 'god exists' I wonder how many people would completely change their tune...
Interesting. Here I thought it was Jenny McCarthy was the one who started all this vaccines = autism in the mainstream.
the big pharma argument is garbage because there are just as many scum bags if not more lining their pockets pushing the autism argument and other "holistic" treatments, also it not just the US but many other countries where because of their nationalized health systems big pharma is not as powerful that are pushing vaccinations as well
Quit while you're only partially buried. The mountain of evidence isn't on your side.
There are clearly both environmental and genetic components. I would argue that there is not "a" genetic abnormality, but rather a very large suite of genotypes that can predispose toward autism. If it were "a" single allele (gene variant) then we would ahve found it by now. When you combine a very large number of predisposing gene variants with environmental effects that themselves may vary with genotype, you get things that are very hard to nail down, like autism, adult onset diabetes, multiple sclerosis and on and on. You are right that there well may be an immune system connection (overly simplified: growing up in too sterile of environments seems to be causing us all sorts of problems).
That said, one envrionmental area that has been looked at extensively is the possible effect of vaccines. NO FLIPPING EVIDENCE AT ALL. NONE! It is not balanced to say that since it is complex and we do not know everything that everything is on the table. We have ruled out vaccines as causing autism. It is a deadly suggestion and not part of a balanced treatment.
To their own but to all who might be around them (and don't know the lurking danger)
I've seen wonderful benefits for my personal gastrointenstinal and digestive issues with chlorella. My preferred brand is Raw Power, in powder form. A double serving of that in water with scoops of hemp protein powder and Organic Traditions sprouted & milled chia seed makes me feel like my shits are clearing out everything that's wrong and doesn't belong.
They all got it from Della Valle
that was lice.
Anti-vaccination parents got their wish.
Very doubtful in Columbus. Studies have shown parents that choose not to vaccinate their children tend to be from a more educated and well-off sector of the general population (they're the people who grocery shop at expensive natural health stores and get milk delivered through their cow-shares). This outbreak is clearly the result of poor hygiene and unsanitary conditions.
what studies you're talking about but my anecdotal evidence from the people I know who don't vaccinate here in Texas is the complete opposite. All the intelligent, well educated parents vaccinate because they know the myth of autism being related make no sense so it's the people who are gullible and uneducated that get on the bandwagon. Maybe it varies state to state or maybe region to region?
that is so frustrating. Nobody knows what causes autism, and it actually does not seem like anybody wants to know nor whether the symptons can be exacerbated by certain toxins. All possible causes should continue to be explored whether or not you, apparent autism specialist, believe they have merit or not.
Alright, I am out of here. This is a complicated topic and not one that should be basically just thrown around like this. There is a lot of self indulgent nonsense being tossed around on this thread.
That's coming from someone who thinks it's OK for a parent to allegedly protect their child from autism while possible exposing thousands of others to diseases whose complications include Death.
How about not belittling people who disagree with you?
It was a study by the CDC: http://www.pedsource.com/node/6788
Basically, the CDC concluded that children who were vaccinated (but not fully) tend to come from homes run by poor, unmarried, badly educated mothers, whereas children who were never vaccinated tend to come from homes where they are well-provided for, with married parents who possess a college degree.
While there are certainly other groups who don't vaccinate (Christian Scientists, Amish, old-fashioned rural country folk), it terms of the group driving the "anti-vaccine movement," it's people in the natural health community, which rejects a broad range of modern medical practices and uses of industrial chemicals beyond simply vaccines.
But the basic thrust of my post was that people in Columbus are uneducated and dirty, and that Columbus is filthy in general. Figured making that point would have collected lots of upvotes...but it appears everyone here was too hopped up on group-mobbing and lashing judgment on the poster who indicated that he might possibly have some questions about vaccinations to notice. The groupthink herd mentality has always been pretty pervasive on this board.
Unvaccinated children are the vehicle by which these diseases that were once essentially gone from the U.S. get spread to adults who's previous vaccinations are no longer effective. It doesn't really matter what the typical anti-vax parent looks like, the fact that they exist has severely hurt herd immunity and can lead to outbreaks among people who would never buy into the vaccination-autism b.s.
Yeah... I went to Best Buy to get anti virus software for my laptop and she was outside protesting.
I will just leave this here: LINK
Pretty funny stuff, finally Twitter used for good instead of evil.
On a side note, Katie Curic has dipped her toes into hot water recently, when she aired a very one sided anti-Gardasil (HPV Vaccine) show.
It is one thing when a moron ex-Playboy model spouts stupid from her talk hole, it's quite another when it comes from someone that is considered a reputable journalist.
A reputable journalist? I thought you said Katie Couric...
famous tv personality and news anchor, sure. Journalism not so much.
Well I did qualify journalist with the word considered, but yes she is essentially a ratings whore now. That doesn't take away from the fact that many people watched her on NBC/CBS news for 12 years and consider her a journalist. IMO it is much more dangerous for the public to be hearing it from someone like Couric, than Jenny "Singled Out" McCarthy.
is not really related to the mmr vaccine controversy. hpv one has a little more credibility.
While I agree the controversies between the two are very different, there is no evidence to suggest that the HPV "controversy" is any more or less credible than the other. There is however mountains of research/testing/trials that prove Gardasil is something every parent should get their child vaccinated with. If you are interested, here are examples of some of that:
Slade BA, Leidel L, Vellozzi C, Woo EJ, Hua J, Sutherland A, Izurieta HS, Ball R, Miller N, Braun MM, Markowitz LE, Iskander J. Postlicensure safety surveillance for quadrivalent human papillomavirus recombinant vaccine. JAMA 2009 Aug 10;302(7):750-7.
Thank you for real references (blog posts and news articles do not count)! Here's a comprehensive review/book of vaccines and adverse health effects from the National Academy of Sciences (Re: Autism p.145-153):
You know what is really funny (really, sad) about McCarthy?
Even though she is on this crusade to stop kids from getting vaccinated, she herself has two MASSIVE bags on silicone in her body, for no medical reason whatsoever, and regularly injects her face with one of the deadliest toxins know to man (botox).
The utter hypocricy is just massive...
I would definitely think twice about an official visit.
This is really a combo of things.
1) Universities have large numbers of kids(young adults, sorry I am getting old)
2) Many of these people will be from foreign countries that may or may not have any sort of vaccination programs.
3) Yes it is also true that many kids in America have not been following up on the Vaccinations as they should.
This can all lead to a situation where almost any of the students are vulnerable.
You generally have to document history of vaccinations to enroll. At least that's what I remember.
We had some neighbors who don't vaccinate and they just told the school that they don't believe in it. Nice,huh? Good thing they moved. Probably the same for college.
My husband says that there will be a lot of people who regret their decision when Polio returns.
That's messed up. It puts everyone else at risk. This anti vaccination thing needs to end.
I'm not sure about whether or not you can opt out of immunizations from some schools, but immunization results are one of the few healthcare items that are not protected by HIPAA law. In addition, there is a nation-wide project that has begun to send immunization results from nearly every health care hospital or provider to state registries. So documentation on this issue shouldn't be a problem. I know certain industries can mandate immunizations. I had to get my hep shots, not that I would have chose not to do so. So I think that rationality can win out here.
Even playing devil's advocate here, if immunizations DID in fact cause autism, I believe that as a whole, that would be the lesser of two evils...
Now maybe they will understand the dangers of sharing coolers.
It's Ohio. OHIO is the Bobcats
or ohio, if you wish.
All the more reason to call them Ohio State.
Of all the "pet names" they have for Michigan, if this is the worst thing I refer to them as, I'm fine with it.
I don't object because it's "bad" or insulting, I object because it's confusing. If it were somehow insulting, then it would be easily understood. Instead, you get topic titles like this one, with no context to know whether we're discussing Ohio State, the University of Ohio, or the State of Ohio, aside from some rule for ohio vs. OHIO that apparently few know.
If Hoke wants to call them Ohio because that's how he's always thought of them, I don't really have a problem with that. I think it makes little sense, but whatever. I do, however, think its silly for part of the fanbase to adopt the naming mechanism when it makes no sense and didn't exist in the fanbase 5 years ago.
I personally have never had the mumps, but my parents have some stories from their childhood that sound....uncomfortable, to say the least. I think the vaccine was only introduced in the late 1960s, well past the time my parents were kids. In any case, hopefully everyone is on the mend soon enough down there.
Hit like if you remember chicken pox parties. Oh wait.....
I've been pretty good by Mgoblog standards at avoiding politics/religion (not sure how vaccinations somehow started to fall under this category), but as a father to a young child, this is one topic I feel strongly enough about to not care if it pisses anyone off on here:
Parents, vaccinate your damn kids! You are endangering the lives of your kids and everyone around your kids if you do not (adults and children alike). The whole autism due to vaccinations study was already proven to be a scam for financial gain. As the anti-vaccination movement continues to grow anyways, the resurgence of once pretty much dormant diseases and ailments has begun and kids are starting to die. It's not worth it.
Also, if you as an adult don't believe you were vaccinated when you were younger, better get your ass to the doctor and get it taken care of.
I don't think this is poltical in the least. This is about science vs. stupid, gullible people who listen to Jenny McCarthy instead of someone with a clue.
This topic is only political because anti-vaccers say it is. I'm glad most readers of this blog are smart enough to see it for what really is.
My wife works with kids who have cancer, and they rely on the herd immunity since they either have a delayed vaccination schedule or their immune system is compromised. This is a very serious matter.
Talking about stupid people is not political.
Its actually quite common around here the day after games vs. Staee.
This is science, and MGoBlog has taken a firm stance in favor of science, you know, existing. Also, while we steer far away from the pro-life/pro-choice debate, we have stated a solid pro-life preference in terms of people not suffering and/or dying from shit they cured two generations ago.
VACCINATE. YOUR. CHILDREN.
We must end women's suffrage
yes because millions of kids were dying from the mumps and chicken pox. I for one don't care what Jenny says. It's my job to do what's best for my child. Giving a one year old multiple shots at once is as crazy as trusting the FDA. They only stoped putting mercury in kids vaccinations in 01 still use it in flu shots. I think I read some "science" somewhere that said mercury was dangerous. It also gives me a warm fuzzy reading about the huge fund set up in case your child has such a high fever that it causes brain damage. Stupid parents indeed.
that there is this intense need to discount one particular possible contributing factor and essentially mock people that think there should be additional research conducted into the issue. Autism desperately needs to make it into the mainstream consciousness of this country. Most people have no idea how common it is right now and how many families are being affected by this.
but not through immoral pseudoscience.
No link between autism and vaccines has been found. The anit-vax crowd then demanded more research which again showed not link. At some point all your demands for more research into the vaccine link is doing is drawing research dollars away from areas that have not been researched and may offer insight into the actual causes.
in the "anti-vax" crowd. I am in the "parents with an autistic child" crowd. My son was vaccinated and has autism. I don't know why, and I don't know whether it could have had something to do with vaccinations. I doubt it, but he displayed no signs of the disorder, and I mean NO signs of it, until about his third birthday. I do not plan on having another child, if I do, I have not made up my mind about vaccinations. I probably will, but not without some trepidation. Most of the people spewing this hate, and yes, it looks a lot like hate, have less than a clue what they are talking about.
it is incredibly unfair.
but i don't understand why you can't understand the hatred people have for stupidity directly causing other people's children to die.
choosing to not vaccinate your child, and then having your child acquire an illness, have that spread to another child, and killing both children is on the same level as killing your family and another family because you were drinking and driving. it's unforgiveably stupid. that deserves ample ample hatred.
I'm sure it's an intense and personal issue for you, and I'm glad you're comfortable enough to come on this board and talk about it.
The thing that I and many others are concerned about is that vaccines are essentially being propped up as a scapegoat for parents of autistic children looking for someone/something to blame. A significant amount of research has been done on this issue, and without exception, every last bit of it has failed to find any link between vaccines and autism. The only thing keeping this concern alive is public panic, which is even more infectious than the diseases these vaccines prevent.
There's certainly still a lot we don't know about autism, and there's a lot of work to be done to bring autism and spectrum disorders into the public eye, but prolonging the vaccine "argument" will not help accomplish either of those goals. If there is an environmental link to autism, it almost certainly isn't related to vaccines. On top of that, all the time and energy we spend continuing to debunk any vaccine-autism link is time and energy that could be spent looking for an environmental condition that does have some sort of link to autism.
Anyway, thanks again for weighing in. I know I speak for many people here in wishing you and your family the best.
No you are in the scientifically illiterate crowd. I am sorry about your kid. However, you are dead wrong about vaccines and autism. A high school understanding about basic research should allow you to tell the difference between anti-vax conspiracy theories and peer reviewed research.
The former “Dr. Wakefield”, they pulled his license, appears to have done damage to Autism research in addition to fueling a decline in vaccination rates. I am angry with the anti-vax crowd not only because they have led to a decline in vaccination rates, which leads to the unnecessary deaths of children, but also because they have continued to feed false information to parents with Autistic children. All the research indicates that vaccines do not cause Autism. The people out there arguing otherwise are ignoring this information, and often looking to profit from continuing the lie.
We need more research into the causes and potential treatments for Autism. This research needs to be guided by the science. Continually diverting resources to study causes which have been ruled out is not going to help solve this.
There have been numerous research done on this issue.
It is not science's problem that people don't believe in evidence that they don't agree with.
More than any other time, I wish the MGoApp could upvote.
Autism is a serious issue that deserves more attention.
Autism also has exactly as much of a documented correlation with vaccinations as it does to exposure to Barney the purple dinosaur. That is to say FUCKING NONE.
I am NOT advocating exposure to Barney. There may be no documented risk of autism or any other health problem, but he's really freeking annoying.
or how old your child is, but you really need to look into a town/school where it is in the mainstream consciousness. At our school, we have a sensory room in the elementary and middle schools as well as an "autism day" which is solely dedicated to teaching all the kids about autism. Autism is very well covered and addressed here.
Speech and dyslexia help have been cut in our school for more autism funding. But I do hear other states/communities are not the same. I would move to a more autism friendly town.
that it is not addressed or in the mainstream consciousness at all, it is that people don't know HOW prevalent it is. 1 in 88 kids will develop autism. 1 in 88!! And it is not entirely expanded diagnostic criteria. There is something to this. There has to be reasons behind this drastic of an increase in this disorder. Perhaps it has to do with preservatives in food. Perhaps it has to do with Disney Jr., Nickelodean and the Nintendo DS. Maybe children are too protected and insulated and their brain is forming abnormally because it has nothing to fricking do. I see a lot of people basically equate "vaccinations don't cause autism" to "there is nothing that can be done to prevent autism." And I don't believe that to be true. I don't believe it to be entirely genetic without any correlation to environment or cultural factors, some so strong that they may actually be altering the make up and functionality of the brain. I do hate seeing people being so dismissive regarding this issue, even the vaccination element.
I realize you're a parent of a child with autism, but rates of spectrum disorders aren't rising at any noticable level. What IS increasing is our ability to properly diagnose these disorders, which will of course give the illusion of rising rates of the disorders themselves.
I see a lot of people basically equate "vaccinations don't cause autism" to "there is nothing that can be done to prevent autism."
NO ONE HERE has done that. This is pure paranoia.
I do hate seeing people being so dismissive regarding this issue, even the vaccination element.
Who's being dismissive? You're out of control. The anti-vaxxxx movement is doing absolutely nothing to alleviate autism and is in fact working AGAINST those measures. You should be more outraged at the Jenny McCarthys of the country than most. The worst possible way to approach a hot-button medical issue is to pull out and popularize junk science.
Furthermore, and this will sound extremely condescending, but it's clear you're not a scientist nor a doctor. So stop pretending to be one just because you have a child with autism.
But I might suggest that all this attention being placed towards a cause that simply just does not exist is doing nothing other than taking away from other autism research into the potential causes. And as the posetr above says...the ability to diagnose autism has improved, and that is the simple reason why the rates have increased.
Again, none of this is to say we shouldn't be researching autism. We should. Obviously. But we need to get away from investigating causes that simply do not exist, because it actually hurts autism research that is desperately needed. It's a waste of time.
Vaccines work. That is the plain truth. The other plain truth is they do not cause autism, or at least no causal link has been found yet (and it's not like they haven't been looking). But please do not take this to mean that people don't care about autism. They do. At least, they should.
I am really sorry to hear that your son is diagnosed with Autism. Hopefully he can get the help he needs with a lot of the treatments that have come about. It is definitely something my wife and I are/were concerned about.
I do think that the people on this board would agree that there needs to be more research into the cause of the disease, however, I think they understand that autism and vaccinations have been studied a lot, and no correlation has been found. Thus, it is better to continue getting vaccinations (as you have agreed), but push the research into a new plausible argument.
and she received Oxytocin. I have my eye on those studies and the numbers are pretty persuasive. It is my understanding that most of the subject children in those studies were symptomatic from birth and not regressive as was the case with my son. I think there is enough there to at least inquire about it if induction is suggested.
I had heard the that they had found a correlation between inductions and boys with autism. I know the study has confirmed only correlation and not causation, but, like you said, hopefully they will look further into this.
Again, hopefully you can get your son into a district that understands the disease. As I understand it, there have been big break throughs in teaching methods to help children with autism, and hopefully, those become even more prominenet and mainstream.
I appreciate it.
So I should trust a bunch of random non doctors on the internet? If you are not vaccinating your kids you are an idiot. You also put other people’s kids at risk because you are too stupid to evaluate the clear evidence that vaccinations have saved millions of lives. People who don’t vaccinate their kids, assuming the child does not have a condition that prevents vaccination (you know the ones you put at risk by not vaccinating your kids) are ass holes.
“Giving a one year old multiple shots at once is as crazy as trusting the FDA” Because? It sounds bad to you?
“Vaccines reduced outbreak deaths by 74% over that period, with the number of deaths falling from about 535,300 to 139,300.” It seems like this vaccine saved the lives of 400,000 people over ten years. But hey you read on the internet and talked to some friends and determined it was bad so fuck those 400,000 people. If you are trying to do what’s best for your child and you are not vaccinating them you are not doing what’s right.
no you should trust your own judgement. I didn't say don't give your children any vaccines did I? I refused all 3 in one vaccines and paid for them in single doses. I also spread them out as much as possible. The greater good is great until its you who looses a child.
Except the whole point of vaccines is that we were "loosing" lots of children to these diseases - skipping vaccines to save a child only puts them more at risk. Which is why anti-vax is stupid - the threat from the diseases is orders of magnitude worse than potential side effects from vaccines. And no, autism isn't one of those potential side effects.
Good judgment would look at what I do and don’t know. If I have a serious legal problem I would not defend myself. I would find an expert, you know a lawyer with education and experience, to help me.
The same goes for vaccines. I did not spend years in medical school followed by years of research and study working in the field. Luckily for me others have done this. Perhaps the best use of judgment is to go to those people and follow their advice.
The most satisfying part of listening to people who buy into the anti-vaccine nonsense is the inevitable "It's not like people are dying of these diseases anymore anyway."
Do you know why people don't die of these diseases anymore? VACCINES!
does anyone take the time to look at the fatality numbers from chickenpox and mumps. Good lord you guys have Google don't you. Look how long they told us smoking was safe because of no scientific evedince.
Good lord did you even pay attention in high school science.
nope please enlighten me about what I must have missed.
the part about the science.
The day your science teacher went over the difference between causation and correlation.
I can create a graph showing cooler pooping and buckeye affiliation, doesn't mean they have a causal relationship.
There's a mountain of evidence showing that the tobacco industry spent billions attempting to obfuscate the link between smoking and health issues. It was a massive, obvious propaganda campaign. This is not analogous to anti-vaxxxxxxxers.
I think your trust in your own judgment is rather overdeveloped.
and you think pharm companies don't have lobbyists? I'm starting to loose my faith in people.
But bad science still gets exposed as bad science, as Andrew Wakefield discovered. You have this ass-backwards...it's the anti-vaxxxxx crowd playing the role of tobacco companies.
This is by far the worst argument thrown about by the avti-vaccine crowd and really makes me want to strangle them. PHARMA COMPANIES DO NOT MAKE MONEY ON VACCINES. Yes, the sell them so they get revenue. But the competition (race to the bottom in revenues) and cost of making therefore eat into all of that. More broadly, preventive care, like vaccination, DOES NOT generate long term revenue. Pharma makes way more money treating life long diseases. Diabetes, HIV, Crohn's, high cholesterol, etc. Humira is a $9 BILLION a year drug because people have to take it forever (and it's a really complicated drug that will pretty much never become generic as its a biosimilar). This is why most "big" pharma companies don't even make vaccines anymore. Not worth the investment.
And since I can forecast your comeback, there is and will not be a pharmaceutical cure for autism.
not be a pharmaceutical cure for autism, but that does not mean they are not prescribing the hell out of ADHD stimulant drugs to treat the symptoms of it.
on the overprescription and diagnosis of ADHD. I believe (not a Dr. or researcher into this) that much of this could be cured with increased recess. Growing up I needed all three (15 minute morning and afternoon and 30 min lunch) recesses to get my energy out. Without those I would have been a mess in class.
I've never understood the no recess thing (or at least limited). It's caused by, in my view, two prevalent factors: 1) number of required classroom hours and 2) potential lawsuits against schools (other items I'm sure exist as well, but these are the two I latch on to). The first is ironic. Kids would do better in school if they had 30+ minutes a day to actually be kids. The second is cultural. Parents appear more willing to feed their kids ADHD pills than allow them to potentially hurt themselves being, you know, kids.
I know it sounds funny, but you pointed out a couple. Shaq did a show where he focused on a few fat kids in a florida elementary to try to get them healthy long with the school in general. I remember the whole school doing 15 minutes of excercise in the morning and all the teachers stated that students behave and performed better, yet the initiative was scrapped as soon as he left due to curriculum. I am suprised that curriculums are that scheduled that 15 minutes isn't available for 6-10 year olds in a day. I need to take walks to keep my mind sharp during a work day.
In the 90's there was a big push for a diversified mind, that a healthy body (excercise) helped the mind, along with music and arts helping math and english. It is weird that the schools seem so far from that ideal.
And kids geting hurt happens. I broke my wrist bones in half on the monkey bars. You get a cast and other kids sign it. I think parents forget that getting hurt can be a learning experience as well. I also think letting kids be kids and organizing games, and things themselves is important. Some of your best leadership and creativity can come on the playground.
Sorry, end rant
I agree with all of this and as a 90s kid, (graduated high school in 2000) I distinctly remember this. I was also fortunate enough to have a teacher in 4th grade who came from a Montessori background. This is the one elementary school year I still remember vividly. The combination of art and music that he wove into the mandatory curriculum was the ebst singly year of education I received. Everything stuck because it wsa fun! He even wove art and music into the preparation for mandatory standardized tests. He won MassachusettsTeacher of the Year a couple years after I had him.
The reason fatality numbers for Pox/mumps are low, is because of VACCINES!
And please tell me you go to a real Doctor and not just Dr. Google.
It's my job to do what's best for my child.
Yes it is, but you do realize that you put everyone else child at risk by doing this?
It also gives me a warm fuzzy reading about the huge fund set up in case your child has such a high fever that it causes brain damage.
All medical procedures have inherent risk. If your one year old child needed a life saving operation, would you keep them from that because there is small risk that there could be complications from anesthesia? There is also a small percentage of people each year that get strangled by their seatbelts, should you not drive to the Hospital for preventative procedures because of this?
It's been a few years and they're great. thanks for asking. Again ,I didn't say I refused all vaccinations. It would be great to have a real conversation with facts like number of vaccinations per country vs mortality rate or how money and lobbyist have corrupted the FDA but I guess I should just do what I'm told.
I guess I should just do what I'm told.
Yes you should do what you are told... by Doctors.
You are part of the problem. Please don't enroll your kid at my school district.
The original paper that was cited by anti vacs has been retracted.
The articles says that there have been 23 cases at Ohio including 18 students and 1 staff member. My guess is 4 truck drivers are also sick.
I was thinking more along the lines of tatoo artists.
not mutually exclusive
For an infectious disease spread at OHIO, I would have thought STD for sure.
Please actually click the link before you downvote.
actually about the sum total of the research that has been conducted on the issue as well.
You are not very good at science. Or reading...
remember that researcher who fabricated all the data linking vaccines and autism? let's call him dr. fuckeditup.
he already did all the research you need. he looked for a link. guess what? there was none. thus, he had to make up numbers.
what is more likely? a researcher comes up with two things that he thinks have no possible linkage, and completely fakes the data to shwo that they are linked?
a researcher thinks two things are linked, gives his best shot at finding the linkage in a solid study, but then, upon finding that the two things that he realllllly thought were linked actually aren't, makes up the data to show they are linked.
bottom line, my conspiracy has way more credibility than yours.
They've been looking into this ever since Jenny McCarthy opened her mouth. No evidence. Nothing.
What we DO know, is vaccines prevent outbreaks of deadly diseases. It's very VERY effective.
We also are seeing outbreaks of diseases that had been previously eliminated. Because people aren't vaccinating.
Why the hell do you want to stop doing something that WORKS because there has been faulty research saying maybe it might cause autism. Why the hell are you trusting JENNY MCCARTHY when approximately 100% of doctors say vaccinate your damn kids!
this path to fight overpopulation rather than birth control?
You mean they have an outbreak of _u_ps. It is Ohio afterall.
people think there is a link between autism and vaccines is because there was a fabricated study linking the two. It would be the equivalent of some reputable cancer researcher fabricating a link between watching porn and getting prostate cancer, and then having a war on porn started by some family center.
Why don't we spend money to research whether there is a link between vaccines and autism? for the same reason we don't spend money researching whether there is a link between eating boogers and having diarrhea.
Actually, there's very likely a negative correlation between watching porn and prostate cancer, as regular ejaculation has been shown to reduce the likelihood of developing prostate cancer. I'm not kidding.
... but I'm not ready to rule out all environmental factors:
Maybe this link is co-incidental rather than causal, I don't know, but I won't rule it out yet.
Perhaps as a preventative measure we should all embrace the cleanest and safest form of power generation - nuclear :)
bought into Dr. Andrew Wakefield's thimerosol preservative conspiracy theory. Most of them described as "well educated" too. I'm not at all surprised to see outbreaks of mumps and measles now in 2014. Ohio is not alone. In California, they are reporting 10x the number of measles cases this year. Canada too is getting hit. The outbreak (in measles) appears to be linked to the Philippines, which I believe normally follows the WHO vaccination schedule that includes MMR. Except the Philippine govt failed to execute, and ouila: unnecessary suffering for children and adults. They're backpedalling about price and local poverty, except the MMR is free in most countries. Nice try Philippine govt.
Mumps is not deadly, but measles (incl. the teutonic brand of measles) are deadly, especially for infants/children.
At risk of being labeled ignorant, this article references 22 scientific studies done that show possible connections between vaccines and autism. All of the research was done at major university research institutes, reputable hospitals, or published in scientific journals. From what I read, nothing was conclusive, but certainly calls into question the claims of those saying that "all the research being done has shown zero connection between vaccinations and autism."
A few quotes:
[Dr. Wakefield] has been labelled a fraud by the mainstream medical world, some experts claim that his research and methods are weak and based on very little evidence. Dr Wakefield’s research will NOT be used in this article.
"...multiple studies from around the world have concluded that there is no link between Autism and the MMR Vaccine(5)."
"A study published in the Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health...Researchers found a positive and statistically significant relationship between autism and vaccinations. They determined that the higher the proportion of children receiving recommended vaccinations, the higher the prevalence of autism."
"A study conducted by the Department of Paediatrics at the University of Arkansas determined that thimerosal-induced cytotoxicity was associated with the depletion of intracellular glutathione (GSH) in both cell lines. The study outlines how many vaccines have been neurotoxic, especially to the developing brain. Depletion of GSH is commonly associated with autism. Although thimerosal has been removed from most children’s vaccines, it is still present in flu vaccines given to pregnant women, the elderly and to children in developing countries."
Not really advocating one side or the other, and vaccinations obviously play a role, but I think there's still a case for caution.
Like most anti-vaxxxxxx resources, Andrew Wakefield is held up as a martyr. His work WAS proven to be fraudelent AND his motive was known and extremely clear.
Reading that article, an awful lot of those studies aren't even related to vaccines. You can't just run with "mercury is toxic and vaccines are laced with mercury" like the article is attempting to do.
The third quoted passage refers to a study published in an obscure journal despite the mainstream-sounding title. Furthermore. Gayle DeLong isn't a scientist nor a medical doctor. She is on faculty in the Department of Economics and Finance in some New York business school. Not to reverse the argument from authority, but this is a red flag. Furthermore, she's personally plugged her OWN STUDY on "Age of Autism," which is an anti-vaxxxx site.
This pretty much dismantles the DeLong study, which appears to be the most relevant of those 22 "studies."
Good god, this place has turned into Reddit Jr. How has this thread not been locked yet??
A vibrant discussion not involving sports, politics, or religion isn't the worst thing on the board.
I'm not seeing a whole lot of discussion. More like "you're dumb, here's a website that supports my view and you're an idiot if you don't agree with me"... not really the level of intelligent, respectful dialog I'd expect from a Michigan crowd, thus the reddit jr. comment.
Honestly, there shoudn't really need to be a discussion about this, because science.
Do vaccines cause Autism? No. This has been proven by science.
Are vaccines good for the human race? Yes. This has been proven by science.
Should I have myself and kids vaccinated? Yes. Unequivocally. This has been proven by science.
There aren't really two sides to this argument. Just as there aren't two sides to the argument whether the world is round or flat. Or whether the earth revolves around the sun or vice versa. We know the factual side to these issues, because you know... science.
The whole vaccines cause autism paranoid bullshit is a perfect example of people externalizing their problems. "It couldn't have been me and my perfect DNA! It has to be...vaccines...yeah, vaccines! Does anybody even know what's in those things?"
These are problably the same sort of people who fell for the dihydrogen monoxide gag.
"Dihydrogen monoxide? Sounds dangerous! Like the sort of thing that could led to autism..."
They may be onto something though. After all, 100% of people who drink dihydrogen monoxide die at some point.
I bet they got it from kissing their sisters! Eww!
That is all.