so much for that
OT - MSU's Calc II Final
April 19th, 2012 at 3:33 PM | 
Bingo
Bingo
April 19th, 2012 at 2:09 PM |
A couple of thoughts:
-I
A couple of thoughts:
-I
A couple of thoughts:
-I thoroughly enjoyed the Futurama question on the Michigan exam. Kudos to the test-writer.
-After a quick glance, it looks like the two tests cover most of the same material. The difference is that the Michigan exam poses the question in a way that a student has to set up the problem before they can do any calculus. While this is a signficant complication, I highly doubt any of those questions are a form that that students haven't previously seen on a homework project. In other words, a well prepared student would take slightly longer to complete the Michigan exam, but not find it too much more difficult.
M BSE '05, A&M PhD '11
April 19th, 2012 at 2:21 PM |
fuck calc II. That shit
fuck calc II. That shit
fuck calc II. That shit sucked.
Now lets compare chem 216 finals. That should be laughable. Still dont know how I pulled a C in that one.
UM alum 2005 Columbus, OH Native (I know.)
April 19th, 2012 at 2:33 PM |
wait...
wait...
Is 216 Orgo II lab? Because, yeah, fuck that shit. We had to draw caffeine based only on its NMR profile.
Hail to the colors that float in the light-
Hurrah for the Yellow and Blue!
April 19th, 2012 at 2:41 PM |
Ugh, Organic Chem
Ugh, Organic Chem
I thought Organic Chemistry I and II were the worst organized classes at Michigan. Fuck that coursepack and no answers. Fuck all the Nolta fanboiz washing the board for her. Fuck the guessing game of whether something was acid or base catalyzed. Fuck Diels and fuck Alder.
Fitting that I research pharmaceuticals now...
Hail.
April 19th, 2012 at 3:02 PM |
Nolta is by far the best Orgo
Nolta is by far the best Orgo
Nolta is by far the best Orgo teacher. The organization of 210/215 were not bad, in my epinion. I actually really enjoyed them. I know they were hard, but it wasn't like some of the biology classes that SHOULDN'T be hard that are made into a disaster by incompetent professors and GSIs. /rant
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April 19th, 2012 at 3:10 PM |
For future referene to those
For future referene to those
For future referene to those taking Orgo, try signing into a campus computer and digging around in the course files. In the organic chem folders you can find a lot of the answer keys to old exams, and thus answers to problems in the coursepacks.
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April 19th, 2012 at 8:44 PM |
True Story, Bro
True Story, Bro
My sister got one non A her entire life and it was Organic Chem I at Michigan.
She went to MSUs Med School (not DO), Was First in her class, and said UM undergrad pre-med was more competitive.
She was also study with buds with Stephan Humphries as an undergrad
April 19th, 2012 at 3:51 PM |
Calc 2 and some C++ class I
Calc 2 and some C++ class I
Calc 2 and some C++ class I quit attending are the only classes I have ever gotten a F in, in all the years I've been educated
Curse Calc 2 :(
Edit: Also, never had the chance to take Organic Chemistry, but I heard a lot of foul things about that course.
April 19th, 2012 at 3:52 PM |
Not to be a meathead,
Not to be a meathead,
but fuck calc and calc II. I have never worked harder in my life for a B- and B. I didn't have a single class in grad school (top 25 for my profession) as hard as either of those two. Funny thing though, as emotionally scarred as my Michigan undergrad made me, I ended up graduating as "most outstanding graduate" as nominated by my grad faculty.
But people still wonder why I argue about the "Michigan Difference."
"Coach, if you need one yard, I'll get you three yards. If you need five yards, I'll get you three yards." -Leroy Hoard
April 19th, 2012 at 4:23 PM |
25%
25%
I got a 25% on a calc 2 exam.... Good for a b. I also got ALL of the 5 true/false questions on the test wrong. Yea. Calc 2 at Michigan is no joke.
April 19th, 2012 at 5:48 PM |
As a teacher of pre-calculus
As a teacher of pre-calculus
As a teacher of calculus (and lower level HS classes where I have to teach many learning disabled kids), I can tell you the one major, major difference:
Procedural knowledge vs. Conceptual knoweldge.
The MSU one is all about computing derivatives and integrals. All about understanding how to do a procedural. Can you repeat the necessary steps to get the expected result. This is generally easy to do, once you learn it. I have students who I can teach to solve for x, teach to complete a square, or factor. But if you ask them to apply that procedure to anything, they would sink (sincere comment, not trying to say anything derogatory about MSU).
The Michigan tests are much more deep in conceptual knowledge. How do you apply something you learned to a new problem. As mentioned, the MSU problems look like the second half of the Michigan problems - they basically are. Michigan made sure you could do that stuff by using gateway exams. Then, they see how well you understand the underlying concepts by giving you new, sometimes foreign, contexts to apply them in.
This is a fairly well known issue in learning/education. Obviously, understanding at the conceptual level is considered a deeper and better understanding than understanding at the procedural level. Furthermore, in most future, "real life" contexts, a computer does the procedural work while it's up to us to understand the concepts.
It's a fascinating case example for me, as an educator to look at.
CoE Class of 2007
April 19th, 2012 at 9:47 PM |
Toughest part of 116 for me was taking until the first hourly
Toughest part of 116 for me was taking until the first hourly
to figure out that "duhwuhbuhduhwee" was my TA's pronunciation of "dy/dv".
Things went a lot better after that.
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"You ain't gettin' that cheese by me, Meat." -- C. Davis
DAJ
April 20th, 2012 at 12:13 AM |
It's interesting to see a
It's interesting to see a
It's interesting to see a calc II exam written with some "style" (as opposed to what they give you on the BC calc exam). The Michigan State one is excessively easy, although for anyone who's not a math major, you don't really need much more than that.
It's cool that the Michigan one is harder, but for all of you people who proudly claim "I got 50% on those tests!" what exactly have you proven by doing that? If on average a student can only do 50% of what's asked of them, then something is wrong with either the instruction or the test.
Go Blue!
April 25th, 2012 at 8:52 PM |
Actually, an average of a 50%
Actually, an average of a 50%
Actually, a median of a 50% is a very well written test.
A test with a median of 85% doesn't challenge students and doesn't tell you, as a teacher/professor/department/school what students are failing to learn.
This doesn't mean that you give letter grades on your high school scale of A > 90, B >80 and so on. You adjust the letter grades accordingly.
I'm proud I "earned" a 30% on a UM Calc II final where the median was 25%. It told me that I was very, very, very much challenged and was able to outperform more than half of my classmates. Did I get an A? No, but I got a B and I know I was truly pushed to earn that B.
CoE Class of 2007
April 25th, 2012 at 7:45 PM |
I went to MSU. I can't
I went to MSU. I can't
I went to MSU. I can't comment on the difficulty of the Calc II course there, however, as I tested out of it in high school like all of the other kids who are actually smart rather than those pretending to be on the internet.
April 25th, 2012 at 9:20 PM |
That is the calc II final
That is the calc II final
That is the calc II final practice exam? Are you serious? That's simpler than the calc I exam I took at Tallahassee Community College last fall.
Campaign manager--Hoke 2012.
April 25th, 2012 at 9:29 PM |
So many geniuses on one board...
So many geniuses on one board...
Yet nobody notices the date difference?
This completely disregards any advancements or improvements MSU has made over the past decade...
pride comes before the fall
The same jackasses that spell check your posts. I hope I get an "A" and not am "A-" on this blog. Typos are killing my grades on this blog. I hope one day to have time to proofread my shit.
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