The Mother of Landon Collins, is upset that Nick Saban focuses on the NFL more than academics with his players.
In an interview with ESPN the Magazine, Justin explained that an in-home visit conducted by Tide head coach Nick Saban last June was something she couldn’t shake. Specifically, Justin was put off by the coach going with his “I can get your son into the NFL” pitch
Saban doesn't care about academics? In other news, snow is white, grass is green, water is blue, and I will die one day.
Moms Against Saban?
Noooooooo! Not Saban. Just
Noooooooo! Not Saban. Just when I thought he was the poster child of ethical practices!
When I saw Landon make his
When I saw Landon make his decision during the AA game and his mom got pissed, I was like what a bitch. Now, I feel like the bitch. Im glad his mom disagreed with his decision and is upset at Saban for not stressing academics. I wonder if he decommits soon.
THOSE WHO STAY WILL BE CHAMPIONS
Does anyone at Alabama really
Does anyone at Alabama really care about academics?
alabama? you mean the SEC
alabama? you mean the SEC [sans Vandy]
"...when the ole' season is over, you and I know, it's going to be Michigan again; Michigan!"
Alabama's not a bad school
The real question is, "does anyone at Alabama care about the 'student' part of 'student-athlete.'"
not much of a question...
not much of a question...
not much of a question...
not much of a question...
Alabama
is a bad school. Or, at least it did not make it into the list of the 400 best universities in the world.
http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world
In the morning he would read the Bible with another coach. Then, in the afternoon, he would go out and cheat kids who had probably saved up money from mowing lawns to buy those raffle tickets. That's Jim Tressel.
Not just Alabama
I believe that outside of Vandy and Florida, pretty much all of the SEC schools aren't mediocre to bad from an academics perspective.
One other thing that I found interesting from this link was that Stanford-- which according to a number of posters from the Garnett threads is an appreciably better school than Michigan-- ranks all of three spaces higher (#11 vs. #14) on this list, and only one space higher when you look at FBS schools (Cal Tech and Princeton are #12 and #13).
Thanks so much for the data
As much as I liked Josh Garnett and hoped he'd go blue, I think I was more depressed about the suggestions that academics was the deciding factor and suggestions that Michigan wasn't even in the same ballpark for a would-be doctor. I have only anecdotal data of the success in the medical profession of a few people who either went to Michigan as undergrands (none in pre-med; one a physics major and one with a BA and MA in a completely unrelated field before taking a couple of required courses for med school application later, in a commuter school, when the career path led to medicine). The physics major went up the hill to med school at Michigan, which got him a residency at one of the Harvard hospitals and a specialty fellowship at Duke. Both eventually became professors of medicine.
Of course, they didn't play football, so they weren't tempted to go to Stanford.
Hang on there...
Alabama GRAD here, from the business school. It is actually fairly highly ranked nationally and 3rd in the SEC behind Vandy and UGA.
Its no Michigan, but not a bad school academically at all. Especially when you consider afordability for guys like me who graduated high school "thankyalaudi"
ON THE OTHER HAND - I had a couple classes with some of the athletes. WHAT A FREAKIN JOKE. Everything in the OP is pretty legit to say the least, and I wasn't even there in the saban era, I was there in the Shula era.
It's good to pay close
It's good to pay close attention to the methodology when viewing lists that rank colleges. The Forbes top colleges list, for example, has wildly different results than most other lists. I found their methodology to be somewhat odd. They base 17.5% of their ranking score off of students' debt. Private universities attract more students from wealthier backgrounds that tend not to need loans and such. This also benefited the cheaper colleges that have good academics to the point that they were beating out pricier colleges with slightly better academics. However, we all can agree that Alabama is a bad school, like most of the SEC schools.
Alabama's not a bad school?
Alabama's not a bad school? This is like saying herpes isn't the worst STD you could contract. But yeah, no totally awesome. Their Grizzly tin thumping program is very highly rated.
The girls do...
Hey, I've been on Alabama's campus, and the girls...they definitely care. They're all really...... smart
“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”
I'd rather
I'd rather lose 10 games a year, than conduct my football team the way that the SEC and Urban Meyer do.
What is wrong with Urban
What is wrong with Urban Meyer, aside from high arrest rates?
Well
Meyer has been accused of going away from academics in recruiting in the past.
accused =/=
accused =/= happened.
Duke lacrosse on line one for you...
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No
Miles is no where near the evil that is Nick Saban.
This is a positive for Saban
Any recruit that sees this says "I'm a high profile player and coach Saban is only concerned with getting me to the show".
This interview may be a bad look for parents, but it sure isn't a negative for recruiting......
Hail To The Victors!
"It should be noted that, of
"It should be noted that, of the 12 schools which make up the SEC, Alabama’s 69 percent was the fourth-highest Graduation Success Rate according to the latest NCAA findings. LSU, incidentally, was No. 2 (77%), well behind Vanderbilt (86%) and just ahead of Florida (76%) in the conference."
This is like comparing the best students at Summer School.
Oh good. I was looking
Oh good. I was looking forward to seeing which fruitful thread WolverineInABag would start today.
Not shocked at all. Some
Not shocked at all. Some recruits love this approach and some see through it. He does what he does and gets great recruiting classes. I personally think he is an evil cyborg but then again, I don't have any chance of making it to the NFL.
I am shocked to learn water is blue though. I thought it was clear.
Well
Every time I see a picture of it I'm pretty sure it's blue.
NOMNOMNOMNOM
I guess my tap is having
I guess my tap is having issues then. It seems to come out clear.
If you are being sarcastic, my bad.
Well
It's brown from my tap but then again I live in DC
And yeah that was /s lol
NOMNOMNOMNOM
Fair enough. Snarky comments
Fair enough. Snarky comments retracted. I am glad my water isn't that bad in Fairfax.
Fairfax nice
Local guy
NOMNOMNOMNOM
I read an article on this
From what I read it seemed like the Mother was also pissed because she felt like Saban stereotyped them with his pitch. Basically centering it around the NFL insinuating that it's what his family needed.
Janeane Garofalo (Film Actors Guild): "As actors it is our responsibility to read the newspaper, and then say what we read on television like it's our opinion"
I agree, and that's what some
I agree, and that's what some people are overlooking. Whether or not Miles is as bad as Saban, she felt disrespected w/ the approach that Saban took. The reality is that with a blue-chip recruit, at most of the big time programs, having them succeed on the field and eventually go to the NFL and become rich is what is one of the most desired outcomes. But, different coaches sell their school and their character in different ways and she was turned off by Saban. This isn't to say that she should have behaved the way she did at the announcement, however.
I don't understand why this
I don't understand why this always gets played out to be a big deal (Not that this is the real issue, this is the mom trying to save face, as pointed out above). The kid has a gift to play football, and Nick Saban said he can help develop that into a career better than most. Do mathletes get upset when they get academic scholarships that don't point out "you can be great at IM Sports too!"? You go to MIT or Michigan to be become great in mathematics, not junior college, and this is sold to students quite often throughout high school. You go to Nick Saban, or someone of that stature, to be great at football, not Greg Robinson. He'd have to be a terrible recruiter not to point that out.
Go Blue!
I guess my problem with it
That NFL pitch is horseshit. So few make it to that level, and become successful. The kid could rip his knee in the first non contact drills of practice and never be the same. As Saban has proven, if that happens he will ship him off the team.
He's selling an 18 year old kid a pipe dream, which is an easy sell to an 18 year old kid. The very few elite players who make it to the NFL and get that million dollar contract are so stupid with their money that they're broke before they retire. Ricky Powers' story would be a good one to read.
To each his own, but if it was my kid, I would have a huge problem with it. If you're elite, and lucky enough to stay healthy, you maybe play in the NFL for 10 years. So you're 32 years old, now what are you going to do? Maybe someone you trusted to invest your money was running a ponzi scheme, you sure as shit better have some sort of backup plan.
Janeane Garofalo (Film Actors Guild): "As actors it is our responsibility to read the newspaper, and then say what we read on television like it's our opinion"
was your post directed at me? I was indeed a mathlete (name given to math counts competitors) that received an academic scholarship to Michigan. I was not told that I could be great at im sports but I have trumped that obstacle and become an im dodgeball champ and a four time runner up in various other sports. so he clearly can still get an education even tho Saban only sees him as an athlete
I can't tell if you're
I can't tell if you're supporting the idea that this recruiting pitch isn't as evil as it's cracked up to be by playing out the analogy or if you're angry at me for not acknowledging your dodgeball skills.
Go Blue!
Well at least she responded
Well at least she responded maturely about it on the biggest stage on the biggest day of her son's young life
What the hell kind of water
Are you drinking? My drinking water is clear.
all /s aside, good post. The more pub stuff like this gets the better it is for institutions like ours which are great athletically and academically.
"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"
Wolverman wrote
"With all the negative press on Saban and how he treats recruits the last 3-4 years It's a safe bet that if you attend Alabama on an athletic scholarship you'll either A. play in the NFL B. receive a medical grey shirt or C. Manage a Mcdonalds. If you're trying to sell Alabama football of course you'll sell the NFL."
I think manage a Mcdonalds is pretty far fetched. Maybe screwing up your order at the drive thru.
BigWeenie
You might not have to die,
You might not have to die, OP. Talk to Ray Kurzweil, he'll hook you up.
Let's not forget
That his mom is relatively hot... fiesty makes her hotter
NOMNOMNOMNOM
HEY....
At least Saban is very upfront about what his focus is on, and it sure ain't life after football or any life without football!
At least he is telling the truth about what he, his staff, and his program are focused on.
This story gives some insight into how Saban
probably attracts so many top level recruits. He's pitching his ability to get them ready for the NFL, and a lot of them buy into it. Of course he can back it up to some degree by showing the dozens of kids that have gone to the NFL from their school. But the fact is still that the majority of Alabama players (like everywhere else) don't make it in the NFL. So, IMO it's unethical on his part to be selling a pipe dream to many kids vs. something that is far more tangible and real - a college degree that can help them get a better job. No revelation here. Look at who we're talking about.
"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans! Now go out there and make it happen!"
- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22 OSU 0)
I'll send $50 to that organization.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra