The article claims he was up for significant disciplinary action, and left school, wasn't even enrolled for the semester he "transfered" to JUCO.
OT - More heat for Cam Newton (cheating scandals at UF)
Not gonna lie, I saw the name Cam and I immediately thought Cam Gordon then it all came to me. Guess that's my cue to get some sleep.
cheats, steals from you, steals from me. Whatever.
Hmm, there sure is a lot of smoke around this. Buttt, as with anything, I'll wait to cast judgment. I'm sure your average Auburn fan thinks Rich was running an internment camp based on what the Free Press wrote.
Then again, maybe looking at what the average Auburn fans thinks isn't the best use of anyone's time, since I imagine it mostly involves pigs, hating Alabama, and more pigs.
wait what were we talking about?
Hint: they do more than just eat the pigs.
so instead of pigs and more pigs, I would suggest guns and pickups.
Maybe this is the start of NCAA investigations, the Auburn program becomes the next USC/UNC, recruiting becomes even tougher for them, and recruits such as Kris Frost come to Michigan and become a defensive studs for 4 years.
I'm sorry, but I'd rather get recruits without having to have other big schools have less scholarships or something like that.
In a perfect world, I would too. But after all the demonization and decimation, I'm really not gonna feel bad benefitting from the consequences of actual malfeasance.
(I'm all for the high road, but I don't think wishing ill on the obviously-filthy institutions of the SEC is anything like, for instance, hoping an opposing player gets hurt.)
surfaced about this kid I didn't really look into it much. But as more and more of these things pile up it makes you wonder..
The entire article is based on the quotes of a single anonymous source. Not saying Newton did or did not engage in any of the alleged cheating, but the integrity of a single source who wont go on record for the public to see is suspect. Was it a school official? The student who Newton did or did not cheat off him? Or some bro-ha who lived on Newton's floor at UF and got denied a friend request... Obviously this "source" has to have some knowledge of the situation...but if you're not going to stand behind your claims then you shouldnt open your mouth to begin with. Ugh sports journalism has become a stewing pile of shit. Thanks 24 hour news cycle.
On some level Thayer's trying to make a splash like Snyder and the Freep.
If it's a "source" from within the University, they can't just "come forward". The are laws protecting student info.
I'm not stating an opinion one way or the other, but there could be legit reasons the source must remain anonymous.
Yeah its called FERPA. But if the "source" is within the university then they're breaking the law anonymously or not... In order to come forward the "source" would have to break the law. The difference is allowing the source sling mud with or without consequences. Its just a lack of accountability.
...the U of F doing some damage control also. Right now their program does not look so good for letting the best player in the SEC leave. Let's be honest at Florida you have to do a whole lot to get kicked off the football team. Their fanbase wants an explanation, and through "sources" they are getting it. It makes the university justified in letting him leave, which in all likelyhood they would have never wanted. This is real ugly SEC stuff.
The info sounds very plausible -- it's likely a student or administrator who would have been on the committee that heard the case -- but I'm sure the leaker is in part motivated by explaining why Florida let him go.
Btw, on the original scandal, they reviewed his Dad's bank statements, but it's not clear that they reviewed his church's bank statements. When his dad was asked how his church got the money for a major renovation, he said "I'm not getting into that."
None of this means the Newtons are guilty, just that there's smoke out there.
It depends on the source and the journalist. The public should always be skeptical of anonymous-source-based reports but some journalists are worthy of more trust than others (as posters to this board know all too well). There are legitimate reasons why a source doesn't want to be identified and it's up to the journalist and her editors to decide whether the source's information is legitimate, important enough and something that can't be obtained from an on-the-record source.
Well I've certainly heard the rumors, but I must say that I would be shocked, SHOCKED I tell you if it was true that a reputable institution like Auburn would ever admit a prospective student athlete who did not take his academics and amateur status seriously.
How do you get caught 3 times??? dude must be an complete idiot. Is that even possible to get caught 3 times?
yes it is possible....
Granted, it was with like three dozen women... but they all kinda came out at the same time.
gotta give him props for somehow keeping it silent for as long as he did. What he did is morally reprehensable, but how did he he keep all those gold diggers silent?
out of a hundred or so isn't that bad.
That source gives concrete examples of academic fraud, arrest and enrollment departure "timing". It sure looks as though it sucks to be Cam Newton right now. I don't think this is a witch hunt like the Freep perpetrated and will reserve judgement for now. It does not look good for Cam and Auburn right now.
Denard for Heisman? No smoke there.
Seriously, with Denard getting healthy and two HUGE games left on the schedule (plus a 200/300 vs. Purdon't), it's not out of the question. All that said, just win baby.
I think there would be serious traction if he "led" the team past top ten ranked Wisconsin and Ohio State to end the year.
dont wer have some Heisman tradition like that?
this Newton stuff is bad news. the kid cheats in school and people mysteriously hit schools up for money. sounds pretty SEC to me.
the idea that Florida might have released the info so they dont look so bad for having a top kid leave....wow, they should put this in a romance novel.
A little background on some people that run storefront Churches. I work for a commerical real estate firm in Houston that owns several retail centers. In those retail centers we have some storefront Churches. Last year we had one of the churches raided by the IRS and state attorney general for tax fraud. In discussions with the legal folks I discovered that a large percentage of these types of Churches are merely fronts for tax evasion and tax fraud.
Cam's father runs 5 of these things and had one in bad shape last year that magically was able to procure funds to get back to code. Now in no way am I saying that Cam's dad is not a legit pastor and his establishments are crooked, but the possiblities are there.
This is not a good kid, the laptop story is real, the academic fraud stuff has dates etc.,
"Now I'm not saying Glenn Beck murdered a girl in 1990, but I don't hear him denying it."
To me it seems like the SEC plays by the "Mutual Assured Destruction" playbook. Keep flinging poop till something sticks, plus it seems its Auburn turn for probation since Alabama had it last (text book scandal) in the state.
When I look at Cam Newton, even before all these accusations, I see Terrell Pryor.
Do not cross a team, do not transfer intra-conference, or else..
If any fan base should be giving these guys every benefit of doubt it should be us don't you think? Not saying they're innocent but good God has everyone forgotten the Jihad we just went through compliments of our local media?
Just because some asswipe journalist writes it doesn't make it true.
Cam already has a black mark with the laptop story. The decision to call your lawyer instead of telling the truth to the police does not sound like a kid worried about making correct decisions but only about a kid worried about making PR decisions. I'm sorry but the whole he was just a young kid blah blah. He had enough sense to call a legal rep before he decided to throw the laptop out the window into the trash.
The decision to call your lawyer instead of telling the truth to the police does not sound like a kid worried about making correct decisions but only about a kid worried about making PR decisions.
It doesn't seem like he is an innocent fellow, but I don't care what situation you are in, it is almost ALWAYS wiser to call your lawyer instead of talking to the police, now matter who innocent you actually are. That is just (un)common sense.
and this is the second story about Newton cheating (and the laptop incident was accurate).
You can't automatically defend the accused, just because a news source levies allegations.
I'm not defending him. Hell, if I had to guess based on what i've read so far I think he's probably guilty as home-made sin. My point though wasn't that I thought he was innocent. My point was that of all the schools in America, we should be the last ones to rush to judgement based upon a media report. Local, national or international for that matter.
I"m simply asking for Michigan to behave in a manner that we all wanted the rest of the college football to do for us last year. Wait until all the facts are in before we condem the individuals who have been accused. Based on the speed of which new information is coming out it shouldn't be that long of a wait.
I wonder if Auburn will receive the death penalty. I assume they are on probation for something. Just remember if you aint cheating you aint trying. And, Auburn is 10-0
I'm not familiar with how accurate FoxSports' news on college football usually is (though I want to give them some benefit of the doubt since their NFL news is almost always spot on, from what I've seen), so I can't get completely behind an "anonymous source" story, especially since UM just finished washing off the mud from the Freep.
That having been said, though, the fact that this is a completely different issue from the "buy his enrollment" thing does start raising some questions, especially combined with the laptop thing that is an official strike against him. I did not care too much about the first mention of cheating (2nd paragraph) since it doesn't go into any degree of detail, so it could've been something like asking to copy a little busywork problem set that he'd forgotten to do. I'll admit that I got mixed up in something like that once when I was in college, and the department head basically said, "We know this happens, and it doesn't matter much, but we have to make a stink over the obvious cases to discourage it. Just don't do it again, okay?"
However, the second and third instances are much more serious, in my eyes. I don't know if they would have any impact on his eligibility at Auburn (I'm guessing they would not since they happened at another school), but if it does end up being true that he did those, it'll be a pretty ugly mark against him.
Again, I don't know if these charges, being at another school, would have any effect on his student-athlete status at Auburn, but it might make the Heisman voters hesitant to vote for him. They'll certainly invite him to the ceremony if he's eligible, but having just gone through the Reggie Bush scandal, they might prefer to pick a winner that doesn't have any tarnish on his character. You know, that Denard Robinson kid seems to be putting up hefty numbers, is nice as a sleeping kitten, and has been nothing but a sterling ambassador for his school....
is gangsta. I am convinced he is helping leak all of this stuff against Newton.
I'm Urban Meyer and I approved this message.
But I saw a short interview with Newton a couple of days ago in which he denied the play-for-pay allegations, and my overwhelming impression was that he was a smiling, lying punk.
I saw the same clip and the feeling was very strong that this kid is bad news. His smile is not like Denards' - honest and sincere.
It is more like a mask.
It's about time a shit storm hit someone else to help UM in the recruiting front. Come on Kris.
He cheated at UF, because it is an extremely difficult curriculum, but at Auburn, classes are easier, and the school offers much more support to hard working student athletes.
Actually, I have more respect for Urban Meyer because UF could have been #1 with Cam Newton around, but instead Meyer did the right thing and didn't let the cheater hang around.
By the way, how does a guy like this get into a school (any school) but Dorsey can't (I don't mean UM, I mean any school)?
Really? more respect for Urban Meyer? Have you seen the sort of guys that he has on the team? Roughly 30 arrests in the past five years. Guy who shoots an AK-47 out of his trunk. A guy who texts "Time to Die, Bitch" to his girlfriend, then waits outside of her house. Urban doesn't suspend people for poking opposing players in the eyes. Then, when a player leaves and is successful for another team, he starts leaking condemning information about them? Oh, not to mention how he threatens the reporter who quoted his WR about Brantley being a better QB than Tebow. "You're a bad guy, a bad, bad guy..."
St. Urban's morality:
The player did not text "Time to Die, Bitch" from a hot laptop, apparently.
Newton screwed up a lot at Florida. Though he says he "voluntarily" transferred, most of the people down here thought he was pushed out by Meyer for a lack of discipline. What he did at Florida, though, has nothing to do with what he did in JUCO, or what he has done at Auburn. On the surface, he has been a good citizen since arriving there.
It is well-documented that Newton was not much of a citizen at Florida. The main question around Newton is whether he matured and grew into a good citizen, or whether he is still the same person he was at Florida. Whatever the case, it will all "come out in the wash." Thanks to the internet, it is getting harder and harder to hide major violations.
The bloodhounds are definitely on Newton's trail. If there is anything to find, they will find it.
1) the growing taint around UF lessens the chance that Pope Urban transmigrates to Notre Dame. He's up to his ears in the slime and unless he jumps quickly--with some pretty good explanations--the ND window will shut permanently.
2) A certain kind of thoughtful kid and his parents who want an education for their kid may stear clear of programs connected to the SEC--with its suggestion that the kid was being shopped to all comers, the Newton story implicates the whole league.
An increasingly powerful Big 10 may come to look attractive to the public in comparison to the SEC.
If the NCAA wasn't the de facto minor league of the NFL these problems either wouldn't exist or would be minor and rare occurrences. It's the system that's flawed. Shady agents, parents, and players are just symptoms of the disease.
I'm surprised that no one has ever started a legit minor league program. It would have all/most of the top tier talent that really doesn't want to go to college, but isn't 2 years removed from HS. Essentially it would be a college team without the academics. A better picture would be any Saban coached team that can right now be called Alabama.
Fans love NCAA FB and NFL, why not a minor league?
Recall when a team tutor at OSU let out that tutor employees were taking tests for players and the coaches knew.
NCAA laughed and let it all slide.
Nothing will happen here, either.