Edit: I didn't know there was something against Cam Newton threads. Delete it if you want. Sorry about that...
OT - Miss. State booster claims he received payment plan for Cam Newton
Oh shit...... Tim you out there?
Do we get to see the -1,000,000 point neg?
Tom's feelings reflect my own.
Will someone just suspend Cam Newton, or say he's 100% eligible already. I'm sick of hearing about this kid.
I was just thinking the same thing... why even waste two championship games? There has to be evidence available, just expedite this already. This could screw over several teams (e.g. Occupy SEC title seat, NC title seat.)
I'm really over this (no offense to the OP at all, i think it's been a few days since Newton was discussed... ithink?)
Auburn is rolling forward as is because they know that if this all crashes down, the damage is already done. If it doesn't crash and somehow they come through this gauntlet faultless, they might have the hardware.
Suspend Newton now and they'll get basically the same blame, but without the hardware.
The standard applied to USC was unprecedented in the obligation it placed upon the University and the coaches to know the personal business of it's marquee players. What Auburn is being rumored having done is way worse than what USC did. The idea that they may have brought in a known hired gun both destroys amateurism AND was done so with an eye towards a competitive advantage.
USC's severe penalties might end up looking like a wrist slap if Auburn knew or even should have known.
But is there any evidence that Auburn knew anything? Miss. State claims they didn't do anything wrong (maybe because they lost a bidding war) but they still claim no foul. Auburn can say they weren't aware that a booster or someone else was doing this... wouldn't this be the exact same thing as the Reggie Bush thing? I'll admit my ignorance on this subject...
Unless they have records of the school emailing a payment plan to a booster.
Watching GameDay last Saturday, I was laughing my ass off because they were making a huge deal of "Will he play? Won't he play?" speculation re. Newton.
Any smart person knows that of course he's gonna play, for the reasons you pointed out above.
There are 2 possible outcomes:
- Guilty - in which case doesn't matter anyways since they're screwed
- Not guilty - in which case of course you play him
Since they don't know, because the investigation is pending, they have nothing to lose by playing him, but if they're found not guilty would have a lot to lose by not playing him and would have no reason to.
to illegal gambling interests, failed banks, and crooked boosters and pols dating back to the Pat Dye era. It's all still in the realm of hearsay, but it is enough to make the average Auburn and SEC fan's hair stand on end:
Whoa... if 1 claim on that is true... that's some shady, shady stuff.
I mean that I couldn't get my head around why the FBI had anything to do with this "alleged" matter. Seems to me that SEC boosters and sketchy conduct are like cornflakes and milk.
Do they do investigations for the IRS? Tax evasion and money laundering.
People have to realize that the FBI is getting involved for reasons other than football and Cam Newton's eligibility. It seems like the FBI is investigating corruption by lobbyists, senators and judges that were getting compensated for giving pro-gambling votes.
Also the amount of money being discussed is allegedly in the 50 millions. I'm guessing that caught the attention of the FBI.
Either way Auburn is gonna be in some deep doo doo in the near future.
Cam Newton post AND making fun of the SEC? Not long for the board.
I didn't realize there was some sort of rule against Cam Newton threads... the mods can delete it if they want.
There was a few days ago. But that was when we were getting like 3 a day. I personally am fine with it because this is the first news where we actually have some documentation of the proposal.
Man its not looking good for Auburn and Newton...Its gonna be USC all over again.
If Auburn knew about him trying to get money from Miss State (or worse, paid him, themselves), and played him despite him being an ineligible player, does this warrant the Death Penalty? Combine it with their recent history of allegations, seems like that may be on the table, no? Even though they are an historic program.
I would be extremely surprised if the NCAA ever used the death penalty again on a football program. SMU was an elite and very historic program, and they're still clawing their way out of irrelevance over 20 years later.
And there is definitely no way that the NCAA dropped the death penalty on Auburn at this point. Even if they did pay Newton, there would have to be a much longer, nastier, repeated disregard for the NCAA before they would get the death penalty. SMU had been snubbing the NCAA for years and had been been caught repeatedly directly paying players.
I can't see it realistically happening either. But I remember reading when these allegations first came out about Auburn's past transgressions. Can't remember exactly what they were now, but they seemed bad at the time.
When the FBI is investigating several of the Trustees at Auburn, and one of them the same individual (Lowder) that was involved the last time they were busted. Things could get very ugly.
the NCAA won't dish it out again. They will just get their version of the ban hammer. Hell, Auburn was just on major probation in the mid-nineties when they went undefeated.
I was in Dallas for a long time and knew people who knew the guys who bankrolled the Pony Express and other players at SMU. Sounds awfully similar...
And it certainly seems like Auburn paid him, doesn't it? He really wanted to go to Mississippi State, just for the school without the money, but they wouldn't pony up. Auburn was a 7-5 team (not counting their shootout with NW in the bowl) so it's not like it was a no-brainer to go there anyway. He couldn't have known they would end up undefeated just by adding him. Something definitely swayed him. Sounds like their hammer is certainly coming.
It's going to be worse than USC if even half the allegations are true.
I kinda like the newton updates fwiw. I'm the guy who pleaded for board patience before conviction in the court of public opinion. Sure is an awful lot of smoke pouring out of the windows though.....
this is the only Cam I am interested in:
Auburn standards + SEC way of doing business + Alabama success equals Auburn tries anything to win. The only surprise I suppose is that they apparently were so blatant. How did anyone involved ithink they could get away with this?
Especially after they were busted after their last undefeated season.
I wonder if that leak/source hails from Tuscaloosa. I am sure Alabama is clean with all their medical red shirts as well. Three jeers to the ESS EEE CEE!
As much as I hate Saban, he doesn't necessary cheat or violate rules, he just pushes the rules beyond the ethical limits most reasonable people would say is the intent of the law, but still within the letter of the law. This Auburn case is nothing like that-- it's about out and out corruption and no shit violations of NCAA amateurism standards with a lack of institutional control mixed in.
Gene Shizik played a part in any of this, or was this rolling before he even got there?
Same stuff happening since the Pat Dye era.
makes it sound like Chizik is the unknowing pawn / figurehead in Lowder's control of the AU Ath Dept. In fact it basically sounds like all the Auburn coaches since Dye knew about the pay-for-play and tried to stop it but were forced out by the Auburn Board of Trustees, specifically Lowder.
read some articles from Birmingham or Huntsville newspapers about the public official corruption trials and arrests going on down there-- it makes the Kwame and Monica Conyers cases seem like a episode of Night Court. In short, it seems that in SEC Nation, if you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin
example-- there's the former mayor of Birmingham who just happened to hit the jackpot at a casino up for a permit for electronic bingo in his county 555 times. No, not a typo, that's five hundred fifty five times in a three year period.
the Auburn money man is already indicted by the Feds for financial shenanigans and pubilc official bribery down in Alabama with a bank. Supposedly according to a number of SEC sources that appear on Paul Finebaum's radio show, the FBI has hundreds of hours of wiretaps on Macgregor and that's where this FBi involvement in Cam Newton is coming from... once that money crosses state lines or uses federal communication infrastructure, it's hello FBI.. if I was Cam Newton's dad I'd be more worried about a shitload of FBI and IRS investigators probing around my multiple churches financial books. If I was Auburn and an honest broker (which frankly seem to be mutually exclusive items each day that passes), I'd be looking at this and saying to myself, "We have our largest booster (Macgregor), a university trustee (Louder), and the godfather of our program (Pat Dye) being linked together paying this kid to play football? And we were notified by the SEC about this in the summer? And we still played the kid? Well I guess we just made the Websters Dictionary definition picture of 'lack of insitutional control' "
BREAKING NEWS: We now have a photo of the Auburn AD being driven by SEC Chairman Mike Slive to the FBI interview on what they knew when....
Favorite show ever. Boss Hogg and Roscoe P Coltrane. Damn, what was the dog's name again.
was the hound in Dukes of Hazzard. May have been the same dog in Smoky & the Bandit (Fred) riding in the truck with Jerry Reed.
Thanks for the assist, going on Amazon and getting the collection.
This thread will likely get locked down/deleted, but let it be on the record that this scandal, if it turns out to be true, may very well be the defining moment when the NCAA is forced to reevaluate its focus on amateur athletics and its massive profit-making endeavors with schools.
And so the first shred of evidence emerges. I'll let Newman sum up the predicament Newton is in here:
Thanks GB, still reading, but love tater tot nickname.
it's a 10-part miniseries starring Jimmy Smits! Holy $H!t if this goes down like the post reads... an entire university losing accreditation, multiple federal indictments, the only thing missing was hookers meeting recruits and human trafficking being run through concession stands at games.
from a rival fan, on par with MSU (E Lansing) fans thinking UM would be destroyed over Stretchgate. it would require the signing of Newton to go through the administration in full to lose accreditation, etc. doubt even the SEC thing would be possible unless they could prove the regents or similarly empowered individuals systemically encouraged cheating over decades of athletic participation. i do, however, see the possibility of Auburn receiving a punishment double that of USC's, with their indignance over newton proving fatal.
should be amusing to see coaches claim they didn't know he was receiving money when newton sr. was so candid to Miss St coaches.
I just got through reading this and man is it good. Not only are they facing sanctions against the football team, but possibly getting academic sanctions that could cause them to be kicked out of the SEC. I really want to hold passing judgement until the FBI and the NCAA finish their investigations, but this information is extremely damning.
Oh this is tasty.
Wow, the As the Plains burn link makes for stunning reading. If only a portion of that is true Auburn will be facing far stiffer penalties then USC. Will be interesting to refer back to once the volcano blows to check for accuracy.
What are the odds on Auburn lashing out and taking a chunk of the college football universe with it? If outside boosters were involved in / knowledgeable of the recruiting situation and pay for play schemes it seems natural they'd have information on other programs.
After reading the link geaux blue provided it is clear that this is massive clusterfuck and would make a great movie sometime in the future. Is this even close to the M basketball situation in the 90's? I didn't follow M sport then and haven't read about it in detail.
This kind if shady business must be going on at many other athletic departments. I still don't understand why a booster who is rich but not filthy rich would give so much to a football program without expecting any returns. I understand in the case of the super rich like Ross, Glick etc. they have enough money and want to give back to the university.
I was thinking the exact same thing last night. This would play as a perfect script for Hollywood.
If The Blind Side and Social Network made millions don't see why this couldn't!
It would seem that with all these potential sanctions hanging over Auburn's head that our chances are getting better with Kris Frost.
Can we get another Gene Chizik crying/defending his program, his own integrity, and Cam Newton's lack of involvement in any wrongdoing after this story gets blown up some more? Morally righteous lying from SEC coaches is basically a weekly delight.
At this point Auburn has no choice but to proceed as they have all year. Denial is their only option. The ramifications will ensue no matter what they do. If they sit Newton now, they will be admitting guilt, and will get crushed by the NCAA. The paper trial leads to Mississippi, not Auburn right now. All they can do is pray that they were smart enough to cover their behinds for when this does hit the fan.
1. Newton, who is a year older than Mike Martin (two years at Florida, one in junior college in Texas), will go into the NFL draft after this season. He has one year of eligibility left (medical redshirt his second year at Florida), but no way he uses it now.
2. The Mississippi State thing might cause Newton to be declared ineligible. But that's really the worst that can happen there, since it was just talk -- nothing actually happened. The SEC was alerted, but they didn't do anything. It would be nice to see the SEC censured, though.
3. This was a kid with only two years of eligibility left, but he was also as close to a proven commodity (won backup job behind Tebow as a freshman, won national championship in junior college) as you'll find in recruiting. If Cecil went fishing at Auburn, he would have gotten some nibbles. But anything beyond that is going to be tough to prove.
the unrivaled level of Auburns corruption. I know it is a blog, some has to be taken with a grain of salt. But the level of detail & tying each character into this whole thing is WAY TOO DEEP to be completely off. If this stuff is only partially true, Auburn might be playing in the Sun Belt Conference as early as next year. This is ugly and sounds like we could see a lot of details sometime in the near future.
FYI: This is from a good friend who went to South Carolina