as the Prince of Bel Air."
OT: Mildly amusing post on NDNation.com about academic honesty
You can't fight Stupid and Arrogant when you are stupid and arrogant, apparently.
Seriously, I've seen better written and more compelling tales in the Penthouse Forum.
This random Joe (literally) does not equal four highly important football players. ND will be trying to prove them innocent.
Wait - just so I fully understand - the offending Prof wasn't in the Big 10 anymore. Right?
At that remark. Talk about ego/arrogance. Kettle, meet Pot.
Thank god that professor didn't come from the SEC. That domer REALLY would have had it out for him.
He definitely would have gotten that grade with much more celerity!
How many hours of scouring their boards did it take to find this gem?
Its the first post in the "top" topic on their board actually. I was checking in to see if there was any updates on that investigation and that was literally the first thing I came to.
A+. Is it bad that I kind of felt bad for the guy?
Considering he has two lines of thought that are both equally outrageous: 1 that because he is at Notre Dame, he is clearly superior to his professor's Big Ten students and 2 that the football players are somehow in the same situation he was in, then yes, it is bad to feel sorry for him.
How long would you expect him to have spent looking before thinking it was excessive?
I would have found any amount of time spent searching their boards excessive?
Thread upvote to spite the thread title nazis.
The football players have a much better chance at a "fair shake" than "Joe" did.
It's amazing how reading strings and letters on a page can make you want to do bodily harm to somebody
The sad thing about this whole mess is that Joe seems so likable.
This thread seems like a good place for this...
George Gipp was a drunk and a pool-hall gambler who would've put glory's mantle up against your $5 if you spotted him the six and the break. The school has had booster problems like everyone else, and it has had 'roidheads like everyone else. If Notre Dame "stands apart," as the Times puts it, it's as a chronic bungler of sexual-assault accusations against football players.
This school can have a scandal every fucking year and keep its hands clean simply by saying: "Oh, this is not what Notre Dame is about. We're one of the good ones!" This is the Jim Nantz of schools.
Surely, a great university with a great student, a knower of hermunetics, must also teach about small sample fallacies. Knowledge of the latter is far more important.
Yea, that was hilarious :)
[looks around for someone more interesting to talk to].
Otherwise, acknowledging that ND has a penchant for protecting itself against stupidity by ignoring facts and inventing reasons not to consider a simple grading issue, seems hardly an Honesty Committee rationale. If anything it just proves that a guy with noting to prove and nothing to lose, obsessed over the fact for years until he found the right audience to make his case with near-relevance.
I'm guessing that none of those football players have the same "honesty" issue with a Big Ten prof than the assistant prof who squealed about proper sourcing in the case at hand. Who knows, maybe its just Karma and the universe getting revenge.
To hell with Notre Dame.
I'm simply surprised he was even punished for cheating. It's no secret that at ND, answers to assignments are given to a student from the TA, and that student spreads out the info accordingly. I guess the B10 professor forgot where he was teaching.
ND > Ivy League > High School > Big 10
ND > Ivy League > Catholic High School > Big 10 > uggh... Public School
Sorry, My inner "DameFan" came out (watch on youtube if you don't get the reference)
Haha, I learned the word 'Hermeneutics' in my first year at UNC. But of course everyone here knows that my degree is a joke. ;-)
Well, Notre Dame is sorta, kinda in the ACC. They weren't looking for geographic proximity: they wanted to be with other schools who teach the word hermeneutics. It all makes sense now.
Like FSU, NC State, Louisville...sure the ACC has it's share of quality academic institutions (probably more at the higher end than the B1G does) but let's not pretend it's the Ivy League.
And wow...my only reaction to that is "I thought we Michigan alums were arrogant...ND alums are in a whole different world"
working for two ND alums. i would rather be dragged naked through a cactus field rather than have to be subjected to that again. Hell, i would gladly work for a sparty alum or even an OSU alum again if the option is to work for hen or yet another ND alums. greatest bunch of [pick a word/phrase] that i have known.
I actually also learned the word "hermeneutics" in my first year, but at Michigan (weirdly, a B1G school).
I also learned that actually using the word makes you look like kind of a douchebag. But that doesn't seem to be a huge concern of Joe's.
I had to look it up, but that is because I majored in chemistry. Now that I know what it means, I will continue not using it.
I learned it from a Michigan blog post making fun of an ND blog post. Go Blue.
When does the hilarity start?
So a demonstration of their academic excellence is a 4 page paper in lieu of a final? What is this, 9th grade? I used to have to go into 1 1/2 hour exams with like 3-4 blue books just in case (btw do they still use those?). Even Terrell Pryor could write a 4 page paper for a final.
"Everybody writes papers, writes essays, cheats off you, cheats off me..."
That isn't funny, let alone hilarious.
It sucks for that guy. But it is pretty funny how he uses "Big Ten" as a slur, and ironic that he calls Notre Dame arrogant considering his tone towards everyone else.
But he does have a point. I'm sure he landed on his feet if he's smart enough to use hermeneutic in an essay.
I find it telling that he didn't include the name of the Big Ten school. I suppose that allows the reader to fill the void with whatever B1G school he most wants to belittle. It's like he's sparing the Big Ten school the embarrassment but not really. Guy likes to have it both ways, doesn't he?
The real humor here is that the only way a Prof would leave a research university (e.g. a B1G school) for a small private undergraduate focused institution (e.g. ND) is if they didn't make tenure. This guy would be a B1G reject teaching at ND.
I'm guessing that if the word "hermeneutic" popped up in Joe the Domer's paper, his professor probably wasn't in a big research field.
NDU is not a wasteland for all B1G professors. You could make the argument that it is a big step down from the B1G for research-heavy positions (e.g., chemistry, life sciences, engineering), but that argument doesn't hold for non-research positions.
Oh, and the hell with Notre Dame.
But it's not like math and science are the only fields where research is done.
But there's research and there's (high dollar and high prestige) research. And when you drop the word "hermeneutic" into your paper, there's a better-than-middling chance that it's for a theology, philosophy, or comparative religion class. If I'm not off base on the topic Joe the Domer's professor taught, Notre Dame is a pretty prestigious place to teach those topics. Especially theology and comparative religion.
Did I mention to Hell with Notre Dame? Just want to be sure.
In full agreement.
To Hell with Notre Dame.
Did I get that right? He was just begging for a TL:DR there.
But yeah that's the gist.
Him getting an article from a car dealership was the biggest tell.
This is Bob Barker reminding you to help control the douche population, have your Notre Dame grad hermeneutered?
I thought it would be another puff piece about how honest and vnoble ND is by proactively looking for cheaters, even if they are football players. I was plesantly surprised.
guy is still a virgin!
Always prescroll the OP before reading anything.
Saved me 30 minutesl
This totally changes my opinion that ND alums and fans are arrogant....
No one is even commenting on this guy getting a letter from the professor accusing cheating and then -- in the same breathe as mentioning the internet exists -- jumps in his car and drives over 500 miles, books in tow. What a perfectly sane thing to do!
There are a number of people on the NDNation board calling him out as perhaps taking this a level or two over where it should have gone, but Rochester Domer expands a little on the driving portion of the story here - LINK. If this is how it went down, then the driving portion was done basically because he was simply that pissed apparently.
I called him when I got the letter, and he brushed me off with something along the lines of "I have office hours at XYZ time if you'd like to stop by, but I'd rather not discuss this on the phone." When I replied "I'll be there tomorrow" and hung up, I was stuck. I'm not suggesting it was the best thing to do, but i didn't exactly go Lisa Nowak on him.
"...i didn't exactly go Lisa Nowak on him."
So, either he didn't wear adult diapers so he could avoid stopping OR he wore the diapers, but didn't go there with a plan to kidnap his professor?
too long; too pretentious.
Seriously, these types of anonymous "true stories" that get posted on message boards drive me crazy, as all they tend to be are fictions that play upon the biases of the reader. Students at Notre Dame want to think they are f**king geniuses because they go to this "prestigious" school and, either intentionally or subconsciously, look down on everyone else because it makes them feel even more special. The fact they are not, that they are one of thousands of similar, usually somewhat-privileged Catholic students, nags at them and drives them to accept this myth even more dogmatically.
This same sentiment applies at most schools, and that includes UM. For example, I once was sitting at La Guardia waiting for a flight and heard a couple of good ol' boys talk up how great Ole Miss is and how dumb everyone from Miss. St. is, how Mississippi lets in only the best and Miss. St. is full of invalids. Mind you, they are talking about a school ranked #150th in America, which is below a whole mess of schools you wouldn't think are that great including Miss. St. But to listen to these guys, Ole Miss is the greatest and embodies all that is great at about Mississippi.
My point is that everyone wants to think their life is special, and a major part of that perception is based on academics. I could have written this story about Notre Dame for all they know, and its just generic enough that you can believe it without it actually having to contain useful facts; the reader naturally fills in the details. The dig at the Big 10 schools was a bonus, as everoyne in B1G is a mouth-breathing farm hick.
To the OP of the article - congrats, you have a thesaurus and could do a search on Lexis/Nexis back in 1998. Maybe you can one day figure out how to go back in time and give yourself a slap on the back and a BJ to boot for being oh so smart and better than everyone else.
So, we found the one thing worse than a Notre Dame grad: a Notre Dame grad that transferred into Notre Dame.
I think his post is up for interpretation.
There were times when I would kill for a B-..........
Well, that's probably because your classes don't allow a four page paper instead of a final exam.
I would have killed for that.
Maybe next time he shouldn't plagiarize.
To be fair, we impugn the reputation of Big 10 schools not named Michigan and Northwestern also.
this nerd is still steamed by something that happened in 1998? What a loser. ND is the worst...