This ump should be terminated immediately after the game. People pay to see players like Cabrera, not to see Steve Fairchild umpire a game. Unbelievable.
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OT: Miguel Cabrera tossed out of game with bases loaded one out.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:05 PM
#1
OT: Miguel Cabrera tossed out of game with bases loaded one out.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:07 PM
#2
Ya I'm guessing that ump
Ya I'm guessing that ump isn't going anywhere. You should start a petition though.
July 28th, 2013 at 11:23 PM
#3
idk
prince often looks weak in my opinion...
If the dude has cabrera in front of him and two solid hitters behind. Should be hitting much better. imdao (in my dumb ass opinion, cause what do I know)
jdon
July 28th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
#4
His feelings must have been
His feelings must have been hurt. If I was Leyland, they'd have to pull me off the field.
July 29th, 2013 at 10:05 AM
#5
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First and foremost the first pitch was at least 6 inches high AND 6 inches outside. It was a HORRIBLE called strike. The second pitch was almost the same pitch. You have the best player in the game up to bat and 45,000 paying customers there to see exactly this moment, and this dipshit umpire runs him out in the middle of an at-bat? Jim Leyland under-reacted. He should have gone all Earl Weaver on his ass.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
#6
Devils advocate- now I don't
Devils advocate- now I don't know exactly what an ump can toss a guy for. But miggy beefed the first one, then the second. He wasn't volatile or anything, but he did say "that's fucking horrible/terrible". Something to that effect after the second one.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:09 PM
#7
And I don't think that should
And I don't think that should be an auto ejection, but who knows.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:12 PM
#8
I've been watching baseball for a couple of decades
And I've never seen an ejection based on a similar level of argument. That was just f*cking brutal.
On the bright side... George Campbell.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:55 PM
#9
I'm guessing
Fairchild is single. Because otherwise he would know what an "argument" is!!
July 28th, 2013 at 2:11 PM
#10
The threshold for a tossing needs to be high.
Simpy mouthing off should NOT be cause to throw a player from the game. Fans, who are the reason the game exist, pay to see guys like Cabrera play. MLB know this, why don't the Umps? The Umps only have jobs because of the player.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:16 PM
#11
I agree with the threshold
I agree with the threshold part. But that doesn't mean the threshold should be different based on the talent of the player. A superstar shouldn't be able to mouth off or go crazier and get away with because he is a superstar.
This didn't happen here. But I don't agree with the "people pay to see this great guy play so he gets a long-ass leash" thought.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:21 PM
#12
That isn't a long leash
though. I have seen plenty of players be more vocal than that in games, and not get tossed. The umpire also has to be smart enough to know the situation, he potentially altered the outcome of the game, one that may be important for a team in a playoff race.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:21 PM
#13
That isn't a long leash
though. I have seen plenty of players be more vocal than that in games, and not get tossed. The umpire also has to be smart enough to know the situation, he potentially altered the outcome of the game, one that may be important for a team in a playoff race.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:23 PM
#14
Triple post, never
done that before.
July 28th, 2013 at 4:25 PM
#15
Tell that to the NBA.
Tell that to the NBA.
July 28th, 2013 at 6:41 PM
#16
I would love to. The NBA is
I would love to. The NBA is the poster-child for that shit
July 28th, 2013 at 2:32 PM
#17
No, he said something much
No, he said something much worse.
"Su mamá hace tamales leve" were his exact words. I would have ejected him too.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
#18
I agree with you. Throwing
I agree with you. Throwing out the best player in the game when he wasn't demonstrative is ridiculous. That said, both pitches to Miggy looked like strikes.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:12 PM
#19
First pitch
First pitch was definitely not a strike. I think Miggy was looking for the benefit of the doubt on the second one, but Umpy wasn't having it. Complete disgrace to his profession. I hate nothing more than when the umpire makes the game about them and tries to put on a show. People paid good money to see Cabrera play today, and he did nothing to have that right taken away from him.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:20 PM
#20
First pitch was a strike in
First pitch was a strike in my opinion. Pitch fooled the catcher which made it look like a ball, but it was in the strike zone.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:21 PM
#21
Disagree. That first pitch
Disagree. That first pitch was up, and probably outside.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:24 PM
#22
Umpire hadn't been calling high strikes
prior to that though. Phillies pitcher actually threw a couple of pitches in the first inning that were strikes, but they were deemed to be a smidge up by the ump.
July 29th, 2013 at 8:04 AM
#23
I think Rod Allen had the
I think Rod Allen had the line of the day as soon as Miggy was tossed "Whoa, we did not come here to see you today Chad Fairchild."
July 28th, 2013 at 2:25 PM
#24
If somebody isn't
thick skinned enough to take a player saying a couple of words to them, they flat out out have no business being an umpire. Ridiculous to alter a game like, based on a couple of words. I don't care what those words are, the umpire should be able to take itl ike a big boy.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:09 PM
#25
Terrible call. At least we
Terrible call. At least we have big Don Kelly.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:09 PM
#26
My biggest pet peeve of
My biggest pet peeve of baseball...umpires with ultra ego personalities trying to steal the show. C. B Bucknor and Angel Hernandez to name a few
July 28th, 2013 at 2:09 PM
#27
In the ump's defense, both
In the ump's defense, both strikes were borderline okay calls. In Miggy's defense, he didn't do anything demonstrative and was simply talking. No reason to toss him. Oh and Don Kelly is pretty bad.
July 28th, 2013 at 4:37 PM
#28
Guy ends up scoring a couple
Guy ends up scoring a couple runs and has the go ahead RBI. We don't need him.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:11 PM
#29
Yup this ump needs to go
PS not pleased with your post jacking Salvatore
July 28th, 2013 at 2:12 PM
#30
I posted mine at the same time you posted yours.
So no "post jacking".
July 28th, 2013 at 2:13 PM
#31
Sarcasm my friend
ELE- Everybody love everybody
July 28th, 2013 at 2:13 PM
#32
wheres
Lou Pinella when you need him.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:15 PM
#33
Who is Steve Fairchild?
Who is Steve Fairchild?
July 28th, 2013 at 2:16 PM
#34
The former head coach of Colorado State.
The douchebag Umps name is Chad but Steve came to mind first.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:17 PM
#35
The first pitch was
The first pitch was questionable especially with the frame job by Ruiz, he backhanded the ball back into the zone thats usually a tell tale sign its a ball.
The 2nd pitch looked perfect so I don't think Miguel had a beef on it but he clearly didn't make any motions and wasn't showing up the ump so the ejection is a pretty awful call. I'm sure Leyland will have an interesting post game, at least I hope he does because Chad Fairchild is a joke.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:16 PM
#36
As a Detroit fan, I always
As a Detroit fan, I always under- why do officials hate us so much?
July 28th, 2013 at 2:22 PM
#37
Especially Hockey when the
Especially Hockey when the officials took away a series winning goal from Chicago? That is definitely "Detroit Hate"
I'm sorry, I'm a Detroit sports fan but this whole "The refs hate us" bit is a joke. Refs and umps screw every team over all the time. Since you probably watch mostly Detroit sports you only witness bad calls against Detroit and still forget all of the generous calls we get too.
July 29th, 2013 at 12:23 AM
#38
idk
having listened to sports radio in alternate cities I think most fans are stupid... detroit, as a whole, suffers from a dearth of perspective driven mostly by the fact that we know nothing about anyone else on any other team, with the exception of football to which I credit fantasy football...
it is what it is homie
July 28th, 2013 at 2:19 PM
#39
.
Still too many umps who just like to take advantage of their authority. Like a bad cop.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:21 PM
#40
Brazilian soccer referees
Brazilian soccer referees lose their heads over less than what this twatwagon did.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:59 PM
#41
Uh, the ref that got
Uh, the ref that got decapitated by fans stabbed a player to death.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:00 PM
#42
I see
what you did there
July 28th, 2013 at 2:21 PM
#43
Crash must have call the ump
Crash must have call the ump a cocksucker.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:22 PM
#44
A Major League umpire should
A Major League umpire should not be that thin-skinned.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:25 PM
#45
same ump who tossed Leyland and the pitcher
same ump who tossed Leyland and the pitcher (Putkonen?) against the Sox with no warnings given
July 28th, 2013 at 2:27 PM
#46
That is one of the worst
That is one of the worst calls/ejections I have ever seen. It is a totally different game if cabby is sitting in a 2-0 or even 1-1 count. Heck he still might have hit one out down 0-2. Either way love how Leyland sticks up for his boys, for all his flaws he knows how to do that right.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:31 PM
#47
I didn't want to start a
I didn't want to start a whole new thread for this, but this joke of an ump is leading MLB with 8 ejections. 2 were today and 2 were in the White Sox game. Half of his ejections are against the Tigers
July 28th, 2013 at 2:36 PM
#48
Was about to post
that. Not exactly shocking that he would lead the league in ejections, with that thin of skin.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:31 PM
#49
Eric Gregg would have liked
Eric Gregg would have liked this strike zone.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:41 PM
#50
Bases loaded again. Let's see
Bases loaded again. Let's see how long it takes Fairchild to eject Fielder now.
July 28th, 2013 at 2:58 PM
#51
What do you expect? He's
What do you expect? He's arguing balls and strikes when a strike gets called looking, with the guy that leads all of baseball in ejections. Cabrera should know better. Especially with the bases juiced. Argue after the potential punchout, not the two previous pitches.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:06 PM
#52
That does not make it right.
The Ump has to understand that people come to see Cabrera, not him. Tolerance is needed in that situation.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:14 PM
#53
Ump is well within the
Ump is well within the boundaries of accepted behavior to toss someone for arguing balls and strikes, whether star player or legendary manager.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:21 PM
#54
Then that behavior should not be acceptable.
People pay money to see baseball, not umpires with the self-esteem of adolescent girls kick someone out because of "accepted behavior". What once was accepted should not always remain accepted.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:26 PM
#55
If you start allowing players
If you start allowing players and managers to argue balls and strikes you'll see a lot less baseball. Games would take twice as long to play if managers, hitters and pitchers all got to say their piece after every throw to the plate. It's a "rule" intended to ensure a bit of decorum and to keep the game moving.
Imagine if head football coaches were allowed to challenge every play on whether or not any penalty was committed and got to have a discussion with the ref about it. Would that be fun to watch?
July 28th, 2013 at 3:34 PM
#56
Making a comment is not arguing.
It isn't like he stopped to debate the call. He was preparing for the next pitch as he was making a statement.
July 28th, 2013 at 6:41 PM
#57
He did step out of the box,
He did step out of the box, look back and say something derogative...
July 28th, 2013 at 3:35 PM
#58
Guys argue all the time in that
manner, most of the time it does not result in an ejection. That is literally the most mild mannered argument I have ever seen that has resulted in an ejection.
And BlueIndy your argument makes no sense. By ejecting him Fairchild actually held up the game. Letting him say his couple fo words takes a couple seconds, ejecting him turns it into a full blown argument with the player and manager that takes 5 minutes instead. Like I said your argument makes no sense, ejections hold up the game more than anything else in baseball.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:33 PM
#59
Disregard, double
post.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:01 PM
#60
#UnFairChild
...whoops this isn't twitter my bad
July 28th, 2013 at 3:04 PM
#61
What made it even worse was
What made it even worse was the called third strike on Tuiasosocpppo (no way I can spell that without looking it up, copying and pasting). The pitch was at his ankles.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:09 PM
#62
I'm mildly amazed that
I'm mildly amazed that Fairchild didn't call the infield fly rule there. After all, the ball didn't make it to the warning track. :rollseyes:
July 28th, 2013 at 3:12 PM
#63
Am I crazy here?
Arguing
Am I crazy here?
Arguing balls and strikes with the home plate ump puts you at risk of getting tossed. Ump is well within his right to do so.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:16 PM
#64
It should not be in his right to do that.
In sports people argue calls all the time. Only in MLB and the NBA do you see ejections. That's 100% pure American bullshit. Ejections should only be for extreme circumstances.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:21 PM
#65
Setting aside the way other
Setting aside the way other sports are officiated, the perceived American bullshittedness of this occurrence and what you think "should" be acceptable, any pro player or manager will tell you that when you argue balls and strikes you're at risk of being thrown out of the game.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:28 PM
#66
I’m not arguing that. What I am saying is that baseball has
some archaic ways that need to be altered. One could also argue that saying "fucking ridiculous" is not an argument but rather a statement. It's not like he got into Fairchild's face.
Chad Fairchild comes off as Cartman in an Umpire's uniform.
July 28th, 2013 at 10:54 PM
#67
So, to recap: You
So, to recap: You can:
- Argue with the umpire and say most anything provided you don't get in his face.
- Issue insults of any kind provided that you're arguably making statements ("hey, you're a dumb### mother----!") and not technically "arguing" the call.
- Violate (1) and/or (2) above, but only if you're a star player and only under vague circumstances depending on game situation
If you argue, you can be ejected. Period. You are whining because you didn't like the call. And maybe it was a bad call. But it's ultimately the player's fault for allowing it to happen. Arguing calls mid at-bat is never wise.
Bottom line: There will always be a gray area for interpretation. Players have to deal with it and fans do, too.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:54 PM
#68
How much baseball do you
watch? Players argueing in the manner Cabrera did happens all the time, and most of the time the ump is wise enough to not eject the player in those situations. Also the other problem with the situation is why couldn't have Fairchild given him a warning before pulling the trigger? If he would have continued to argue after he said enough I think than it would be justified. It is a matter of excercising discretion on the umpire's part in that situation. If you want to be a official in sports players argueing is part of the package, and sometimes that requires having thicker skin than Fairchild showed in that situation.
It needs to be two way street, if players are held accountable for overeacting in certain situations by being ejected, fined or suspended, umpires should also be held accountable for overreacting. Some of the umpires are becoming increasely confrontational with the players, and they are not being held accountable.
Note, this post is in response to BlueIndy.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:15 PM
#69
I'm not defending the tossing
I'm not defending the tossing that much (he could have ignored it), but generally the "f-bomb" is an auto-ejection. That doesn't mean every f-bomb results in an ejection, but it means that an umpire is justified (in his boss's view) if an f-bomb was hurled at him. As someone mentioned, it looked pretty clear from the replay that Cabrera said "fucking horrible/terrible."
That said, Fairchild could have just as easily made a point by taking his mask off and telling Cabrera "no mas." Instead, it looks like he has some vendetta because of the previous ejections.
Side note: How shitty are the Phillies? Throwing the ball everywhere, not catching the ball, not making plays in the field that are slightly more difficult than routine. Pretty pathetic.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:17 PM
#70
The Phillies have given the
The Phillies have given the Tigers 5 outs so far this inning. Only one of them made it to the scoreboard so far.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:18 PM
#71
The Phils are unbelievably terrible.
Worst team I've seen since the Astros.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:36 PM
#72
That might have been the
That might have been the single worst inning I've ever seen, they looked like an Arizona summer league team, where was the Yakity Sax music.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
#73
Fairchild Background
Fairchild for multiple seasons was part of what was the worst umpiring crew in the majors. It contained both Joe West and Angel Fernandez. He learned the art of self-promotion and having ZERO tolerance with players from those two fools.
Since MLB lets guys like Joe West, Angel Fernandez, and others to insert themselves into the game and become the storyline this type of situation will continue.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:26 PM
#74
Peralta hits a grand
Peralta hits a grand slam.
11-3 Tigers.
Eject THAT, asshole.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:32 PM
#75
Further
Further proof that the pitching doesn't have to be lights-out, just good enough. 11 runs of support? I could work with that.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:36 PM
#76
To be fair Philly incompetence accounts for at least half
of those runs.
July 28th, 2013 at 5:48 PM
#77
The problem with the way
The problem with the way earned runs are defined is that, in general, one unearned run or error will poison the well, as it were, for the rest of the inning. A better (not perfect) fix might be to clean the slate when there's a pitching change so that any runs the new pitcher allows are earned. That one Phillies reliever came in, walked two guys and served up a salami - pitched like shit, in other words, which had nothing to do with the previous errors - and got no earned runs. Seems wrong.
July 28th, 2013 at 3:50 PM
#78
Obligatory
The Phillies in our 8-run inning:
July 28th, 2013 at 4:48 PM
#79
How awkward is this interview
How awkward is this interview with the music blasting over Miggy?
July 28th, 2013 at 6:33 PM
#80
Leyland doesn't even want to talk
about it, probally because if he spoke his mind it would result in a fine. As far Miggy's interview he did at least confirm what he said, which is what people in the thread thought he said. Despite swearing I don't think it was something henios enough, that a grown man shouldn't be able to brush it off in that situation.
July 28th, 2013 at 6:19 PM
#81
If I'm not mistaken....
...this thin-skinned ump was picked as an umpire for the all-star game. How does that work?
July 28th, 2013 at 6:45 PM
#82
In all fairness, you're
In all fairness, you're judging him on one decision today, maybe a couple decisions if you know that he was involved in the ejections earlier in the year.
For all anyone knows maybe this guy is the best ball/strikes caller in the game or he's got the best % of correct calls at first base. The league office tracks all of that, we just aren't privy to it.
July 28th, 2013 at 11:40 PM
#83
What's the problem
He argued balls and strikes, twice. You can't argue balls and strikes, it's the rule.
July 29th, 2013 at 10:50 AM
#84
Clever way to argue balls and strikes
I know this thread is pretty well settled, but as an aside regarding balls and strikes...
I know a former minor league hitting coach, and he and his manager had a creative way to argue balls and strikes with the umpire. Instead of arguing after the ump made his call (directly arguing balls and strikes), they would ask where the ump saw the ball:
UMP: Strike!
MGR: Where'd you have that, Ump?
UMP: A little inside.
MGR: Aw, that's horseshit. Even I could see that from here.
UMP: Don't argue balls and strikes with me.
MGR: I'm not. I'm just telling you that wasn't inside.
By doing this he wasn't arguing whether it was a ball or strike, just where the ump said he saw the ball cross over the plate. Just a semantic difference, I know, but it worked pretty well for them.
Also, when the hitting coach was a player, he drew a line on an Ump in the dirt a full six inches off the plate for what he thought was a bad call. He encountered that ump several times afterwards, and each time he'd head up for his at bat, the ump would say: "You better start swinging, because these are all going to be strikes." Ump never called another ball for him.
Lesson: Umps are dicks. Don't argue balls and strikes.
