Two outs, bottom of the 8th inning in the game where the Tigers are trailing by a run. Runners on 1st and 2nd. Cabrera hits a homerun with a look on his face that could melt sand into glass. So the question...is Miguel a great hitter or the greatest hitter?
He has 19 home runs and 56 RBI's so far this season, both leading the AL.
(also, why is he 3rd in first base all star voting?!)
Somewhere in the middle.
I feel the exact same way. He
I feel the exact same way. He has the ability to be the best hitter in the game, but I think he isn't mentally ready to take it to the next level. He gives away too many at-bats. Which is scary considering what his numbers look like year after year.
And some morons wanted to
And some morons wanted to trade him because he came home drunk and got beat up by his wife... I hope he is a Tiger forever.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
I own this label (moron).
I own this label (moron). Lesson learned. Without Miggy the Tigers would be where the Indians or Royals are now.
Yes and No. The Tigers still
Yes and No. The Tigers still have much better pitching than the Royals and Indians.
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the greatest hitter...
... of what? tigers greatest hitter? baseballs greatest hitter? i cant tell which one your talking about
Take your pick. It's an
Take your pick. It's an opened ended question meant to make you think.
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hes great right now...
... but the possibility he becomes one of the all time greats i think is very possible because he plays 1st base so durability isn't concern like it would be if he played short like jeter, or catcher like piazza. he could go for 10 more years and be in cooperstown on the first ballot
Punctuation and
Punctuation and capitalization are your friends. I don't mean to pick on grammar, but it took me far too much effort to read that, which is probably why you were negged.
CoE Class of 2007
wow...
.... just looking for some clarity so i could respond. thanks for the negs
Cabrera has a possibilty to be one of the greatest but
for right now he is a Elite hitter.
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but is he an elite hitter or
but is he an elite hitter or is he the elitest hitter?
Most elitist, definitely.
Most elitist, definitely.
Wouldn't that be most elite
Wouldn't that be most elite player?
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Hard to say
the race between him, Pujols, and Fielder is to close call for elitest hitter for all of baseball but in A.L. he is unaminously.
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Fielder isn't even in the discussion
Arod, Mauer and probably Ryan Howard would be however.
He has the potential, but I just don't see him getting to the greatest/ legendary hitter level. However, I do see him getting to a level just a hair below the legends when it is all said and done.
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Arod and Mauer yes. Howard-no
Arod and Mauer yes. Howard-no freaking way.
He already has an MVP
and has finished in the top 5 in mvp voting every full season he's been in MLB and has hit 45 hr's or more in each of those seasons.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/howarry01.shtml
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Well Howard has a
Well Howard has a ridiculously high strikeout rate. Something like that prevents you from being elite.
Ryan Howard...
... is one of the most feared batters but is not one of the greatest in the league. Pujols, Mauer, Miggy and Utley (despite his current slump) are the best hitters in the league. Howard has been the best power hitter in the league since he was called up. By the end of his career he will not have the stats of Ruth or Aaron but he will go down as one of the best and most feared power hitters in history.
He's incredibly impressive
baseball-reference.com has a feature where they compare a players stats to players who were at a similar age throughout history, and Miggy's list really shows how impressive he is. The list goes 10 deep, and Miggy's features Ken Griffey Jr., Hank Aaron, Orlando Cepeda, Frank Robinson, Mickey Mantle, Al Kaline, Joe Medwick, and Albert Pujols, all of which either are or will be Hall of Famers, as well as Hal Trosky and Andruw Jones, Trosky won't get into the hall, and Jones probably won't, but he can certainly make a case. The man is very good at hitting a baseball, and soon he will be involved in any discussion about who the best 1B of all time are.
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He definitely could be the
He definitely could be the best hitter in the MLB at the moment. But as far as overall consistency and dominance, Pujols has got it hands down IMO.
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So you are saying the
So you are saying the greatest Tigers hitter ever it isn't Ty Cobb? You know, the guy with over 4000 hits and a lifetime .360 BA.
Hits and RsBI are terrible stats
But yeah, Cobb has a huge edge in career OPS+ and WAR.
There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter.
Sorry, BA, not RsBI
There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter.
I
I think this is the year the torch of best hitter in baseball goes from Pujols to Cabrera. I realize that's a strong statement to make but it's something I stand by in believing. He's locked in and I don't think he really looks back for at least the next five years.
He's 3rd in All star voting
Because Morneau leads the league in OPS+, VORP and wOBA while playing better defense, and because Teixeira is a Yankee.
There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter.
lol
You really think the average all-star voter even knows what those mean let alone use them as the main reasons behind voting for a certain player?
Of course not
Morneau is leading the voting because he has a really high batting average and a ton of RBI. Just wanted to point out that he's actually having a better season than Cabrera, which is pretty frightening.
There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter.
Using basic stats, Cabrera
Using basic stats, Cabrera has 43 runs, 53 rbi's, 18 homeruns, BA of .32 and OBP of .409. Morneau is at 40 runs, 43 rbi's, 13 homeruns, BA of .357 and OBP of .467 (all stats not counting today's numbers).
I don't know if I would say Morneau is having a better season. Even though Morneau has a higher average, Cabrara is leading total bases 146 to 136.
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Offensively
Offensively they are pretty similar but yeah Morneau has been a better defender this year if you use the sabers like UZR.
56 points of on base
56 points of on base percentage is a huge advantage. Way bigger than ten total bases.
Um. Why? Cabrera gets a lot
Um. Why? Cabrera gets a lot more extra base hits, which is huge when you are talking about scoring runs for a team. I'm not saying a slap happy singles hitter is worthless, but I think total bases is a better judge of value to a team than batting average.
Yes, I could name 42 stats I like more than total bases and BA, but comparing only those two, I would pick total bases.
Edit, I misread your comment. I read OBP as BA. My bad.
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He didn't say batting
He didn't say batting average. He said OBP. Which is how good a player is at not making outs. Which is the most important thing a hitter can do.
Fucking magnets, how do they work?
He didn't say batting
He didn't say batting average. He said OBP. Which is how good a player is at not making outs. Which is the most important thing a hitter can do.
Fucking magnets, how do they work?
Edit, I misread your comment.
Edit, I misread your comment. I read OBP as BA. My bad.
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Cabrera has a BA of .32? That
Cabrera has a BA of .32? That is really bad. I can see why he isn't starting the all-star game.
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.32=.320
.32=.320
For sure one of the best hitters...
in the last five years. The guy is special.
All in for some manball.
As far as Cabrera, if I was
As far as Cabrera, if I was an opponent I'd walk him with any base open at this point. To me, he is now the second best all around hitter in the majors behind Pujols.
In more general things related to the Tigers, am I the only one sick of seeing Leyland throw a AAA lineup out there? They were fortunate to get a sweep because when they have two wins in a series, Leyland gives key hitters the day off and has a weird batting order from day to day. He has definitely taken the Tigers to another level from where they were in the previous 20 years, but sometimes they don't have that killer instinct.
Also, can someone tell me why Ryan Rayburn is in the big leagues? He's been a terrible hitter as well as a terrible fielder. I'm just a fan, so I'm sure someone will have a different reasoning.
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Rayburn played today only
Rayburn played today only because Jackson left after the top half of the 1st inning with back spasms. It's nice to have someone on your bench that can play a lot of positions.
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I know why he played today,
I know why he played today, but I question why he's still with the big league team to begin with. When you're hitting under .200 and you don't field the many positions you play well, someone else deserves a chance. Veratility is overrated at times, but is the only way some players stick around. I'd rather have a guy play a couple positions well than have a guy who I can stick anywhere but can't rely on.
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Great Hitter < Miguel Cabrera < Greatest Hitter