xbox one? more like xbox180
OT: Microsoft Crumbles Under Consumer Pressure - Major Changes to Xbox One Policies
/s - way over used already in one day
Damn PS4 was about to crush them too...
This totally changes the outlook for the console wars...as well as the fortunes of GameStop!
they can tell me anything that I will get from it in addition to what I already get from the extremely elaborate X-Box 360 set up I have right now than I will consider it. I don't think they can.
They basically said that it will now operate just like an elaborate X-Box 360 so you should be safe there. The main addition being that the Kinect will always stay on (not recording or uploading video) so that you can walk in to your living room when you get home from work and it will turn on if you ask it to. I do wish the Kinect was not mandatory though as that is what is driving the cost to be $100 more than the PS4, but this change should keep it working very much like your current X-Box 360. Still not sure which system to get at this point though, they both look to be offering very nice exclusives.
From what I've read the keeping the Kinext camera on at all times is so you can say "turn on xbox" and it'll turn your console via voice activation however I read that you have the ability to disable this option. Which is good cause I'd rather have it off and just walk and turn my console on. Plus you can turn the console on thorugh your controller anyways.
Yeah I agree with you that I hope we can turn the voice activated feature off. The only way this will stay on at my house is if they the voice recognition is greatly improved along with the tracking (which I do believe is). I spent so much time trying to play Skyrim with Kinect and yelling at my TV trying to get it understand me that looked I like a crazy person, just gave up eventually.
...or if the kinect can also turn everything else on, like tv, receiver, etc. Otherwise it is pointless.
Attempted to insert video clips of Scotty from Star Trek but apparently it's restricted content and not able to be embedded. Dang you!
Kind of getting rid of "New Coke!"
was though they opened cans of Pepsi and poured them into New Coke cans.
Microsoft, Crystal Pepsi called, they want their idea back.
How long did that gimmick last? About 3 months?
I saw this news yesterday and was ecstatic. I'm sure they heard enough negative feedback and threats from loyal XBOX users to switch to Sony. The used game thing was what really pissed me off, as I only buy three franchises new, those being Halo, Call of Duty, and Assassin's Creed. Most other games I don't buy until I find a used copy on Amazon for $20 or less. Most games are not worth $30 or more.
I've just always liked Playstations more, I'll stick to Sony.
I have hated PS since Sony's first version. They have had one of the worst controllers ever, too.
It's basically the same as Xbox except smaller and the black and white buttons are two more triggers where you have available fingers anyway. Why is that so bad?
The Xbox layout is better. I have too big of hands and my thumbs cross on a ps.
FWIW, that's one of the main fixes in the PS4 controller - they spread the analog sticks farther apart to keep people's thumbs from bumping each other.
It's not comfortable. I think the best ever is Gamecube and 360 is the second best. I just never liked the feel of a PS controller.
When was the last time you have touched an XBox controller, 2005? The gun triggers on the XBox controller are infinitely easier to use since the 360 came out with them. I do own both systems and play both semi frequently, the XBox controller is leaps and bounds more comfortable than the PS controller.
Yup. I don't know how the triggers are now on a PS controller, but I recall a controller (may have been a PS2) from Sony that had the four shoulder buttons. The two bottom shoulder buttons were not even triggers, just four shoulder buttons, which made it way too confusing. Sony just does not have good controllers.
It doesn't really feel like next gen gaming to me, just more of the same.
The graphics are definitely better and the consoles will have a lot more power and memory. They will also be able to do more.
How can people flock to PS4, is it out yet?
Preorders for PS4 have significantly outpaced preorders for Xbox One
Was going to reply with the same. PS4 was significantly boosted in pre-order sales after E3.
If anyone is gullible enough to buy an Xbox One thinking there will be no DRM then they deserve it when Microsoft puts it back in six months after release via firmware update.
This is one reason I am waiting until at least late 2014 to buy an Xbox. I am fine with my 360 for a while.
I +1'd you, I agree with your sentiment though I will likely buy only PS4.
That isn't going to happen. Microsoft may be arrogant and occasionally oblivious, but they aren't suicidal and pulling that stunt you are claiming would effectively kill the entire company. No one would be able to trust the Microsoft brand again.
Besides, Microsoft made most of its "console" money off of Live subscriptions, especially early on. Companies sell consoles at a loss until WAY late in the cycle, so if Microsoft pulled this stunt at 6 mo in, they would have to eat tens of million in losses as everyone flocks to GameStop to trade in for a PS4.
I highly doubt this will be a feature that Microsoft itself will ever implement, in fact they actually said they are having to turn off features, such as sharing downloaded games with friends when you dont have an actual disk. Now DRM has been around for a few years anyways with publishers using a code for all online features that you have to pay $10-15 for used, so it is neither a new thing or something that only Microsoft has had to deal with, Sony has the same issue.
I had the playstation 2 and loved it. My kids got the Xbox 360 and I liked the system but hated the controllers. I think once your used to something, its hard to adapt to something different. As for me, im going with the PS4.
Did this Borg guy do something to piss everyone off at some point or is there just an unusual number of people that don't like his pretty standard comments? Am I missing something or is there a reason he's being negged every time he posts?
Wondered the same thing.
it's one or two people who have a middle school pickle up their ass for some reason.
but how do you look up who negged a post?
It's due to his Karma level, every post for him starts at 0, he is not being negged by someone immediately.
|2 days 6 hoursago||This is a Michigan blog.||
This is a Michigan blog.
But then posts a million times in a thread that has nothing to do with Michigan. So it's a Michigan blog when he wants it to be, but not when he likes the topic.
should be very gratefully to people making them 'crumble' under pressure because these fixes will probably save the console. Otherwise PS4 probably would've dominated the xbox one and all those higher-ups would be looking for new jobs
I might get the xbox one now. I've owned PS3 and Xbox 360 and like them both. I think I will wait and see what games microsoft offers that sony doesn't, and vise versa.
The hubris of Microsoft in this whole issue and their draconian rules will ensure I will not buy an Xbox One. I'm glad they reversed the decision, but voting with my wallet is the only way I can voice my displeasure at them thinking they could get away with it in the first place. Especially after they so vigorously defended it after the immediate backlash.
So instead you'll give your money to the company that tried to sneak in DRM software on a music CD, took away features with software updates on the PS3 and then was bright enough to put my credit card info and password in an unencrypted clear text file and if that wasn't enough, was stupid enough to have that file hacked.
All that stupidity and all I got out of it was one free game.
Yea... let's go with those guys.
Why aren't more people mentioning this? The internet forgets rather quickly it seems.
Prolly going to go for PS4 after the price drop, doesn't seem like that HUGE of a jump over the current gaming systems right now
I'll be getting an Xbox One but I think I'll wait about a year after it comes out to get it. I've owned the Xbox and the Xbox 360, happy with both of those purchases. I've never owned any of the playstations but I've played them at friends and I'm just not a fan.
My 360 is doing me more than just fine and I dont really have a desire to own the Kinect. I do prefer the microsoft online experience over PSN though.
As I posted above somewhere, I'm also waiting a year or year-and-a-half. I am hoping any bugs will be worked out of the console by then AND a better deal (and hopefully some kind of bundle that includes a game I want). $500 is just too much for a gaming console. I know it is meant for more than that, but I use my 360 primarily as a game console, so $500 is not justified IMO. I have a smart TV in the basement with Netflix and Roku Box in the living room, also with Netflix and HBOGO. Since I don't have access to Watch ESPN (I have DIRECTV and AT&T Internet, so I can't access it for those reasons), I don't need to use the XBOX to watch that either. Now the TV integration looks really cool based on their demonstration, but I likely would not use that often.
...is that the tools for the DRM will remain in the machine. Once 20 million units are moved, what's to stop them from changing their minds again? I don't feel like rewarding a company that considered it a good business practice to put in place draconian measures dictating what I can and cannot do with discs after I've bought it. Sony might not be perfect, in fact, last gen their arrogance cost them a ton of momentum which gave the Xbox 360 room to breathe in the first place; however, this gen they seem to be asking, almost begging for my business while Microsoft is doing everything they possibly can to piss me off.
I've owned both current gen machines and enjoyed both and have had both break on me (RROD x2 for 360, just finally wore out for PS3). Though I'll wait until 2014 to see what second wave games come out and which exclusives are more in line with my gaming style...I am much, much more likely buy the PS4.
The "tools" you refer to are just software. They don't have to remain in the box, they could be downloaded into the box at any time during an update. For that matter Sony could add them into the PS4 at any time during an update as well. So there is really no sense in worrying about whether the "tools" are in the box. Any box that can receive operating system updates could be updated to do pretty much anything Microsoft or Sony wanted them to in the future.
I very highly doubt Microsoft would add back in this DRM stuff after they start selling the XBOX one with some bait-and-switch move. That would open themselves up to a class-action lawsuit, not to mention the PR nightmare it would be. I just don't see it happening.
There's nothing keeping 3rd party developers from adding DRM. Don't think for a second they didn't push for this stuff (don't believe their denials for a second).
I didn't quite understand the hubbub. I know DRM is a bad word on the internet, but we have it every where. Phone apps, tablet apps, books, music. Video games will move to mostly digital over time. MSFT should have let that happen naturally and been prepared for it (as they seem to be) when it does. No need to pick fights you don't have to pick.
This is easily the most frequently I've seen the word "draconian" used in one place. Bravo, fellow M fans.
If I get anything it will be a PS4. I am not convinced it is worth upgrading yet though. I only play sports games on console, everything else is on PC.
I know the xbox 360 costs to play online. My son told me that its free to play online with the PS3. Is that true?
I think the PS3 is free but the PS4 is going to charge for multiplayer online play.
Yes, but the PS4 will not be free to play online. It will be $50 a year I think, which is not much if you use it a lot, but if you only play online occasionally it may be harder to justify. Not sure if you have to pay to use streaming services (e.g. Netflix) on PS4 - right now streaming is free (for Netflix members) on PS3, but XBox requires a gold membership on top of the Netflix fee to be able to stream.
Both PSN and XBox Live do give a lot of freebies and discounts to members though to make membership more worth it (for example, XBox Live Gold Members get Fable 3 for free this month, nominally a $20 game, and PSN has had similar giveaways in the past).
Services will remain outside the paywall on PS4...same as PS3 other than multi-player.
That's excellent. I was a late adopter to PS3 (bought mine ~3 years ago), and the fact that it had Blu-Ray and I didn't have to pay extra for the privilege of streaming content I was already paying for were the main deciding features in choosing PS3 over XBox 360. I wanted one box to handle all my media needs on my main TV, and PS3 was it.
We can't say for sure what will happen when these consoles actually come out, but there's no question that this controversy has been a huge bonus for Sony. Getting a solid start in a console showdown is crucial, because it affects what games you get and what buzz your system has; the PS3 sold pretty well, but it was behind the 360 from the beginning and never made up the gap. A strong early start will be huge for them.
The stakes are pretty high, too--both Sony and Microsoft have been lagging in other sides of their businesses and need winners. And there is a good chance that the games market, which has been sagging as a whole, will be completely different in a couple of years. All it would take to destroy their sales to moderate and casual gamers would be an announcement from Apple of low-priced Apple TV unit that played games using either a controller or a free app on your phone and Sony and Microsoft would be left to battle for the hardcore gamer scraps.
I think Microsoft really thought the other console manufacturers, all equally (legitimately) disgusted with serious piracy issues and all (greedily) hoping to capitalize on some of the used game market, would do exactly the same kind of thing they did. They got worked.
And when the data collection news of the last couple of weeks came out and spooked people of every conceivably politicaly orientation, they knew they would be in deep trouble if they didn't pull back.
They can recover, but it will be hard. They need to drop their price, too.
I don't see this happening as the $499 will stick in people's minds through the holidays - they're giving people time to "get used" to the price point.
More likely, I see them packagaing the base system with an exclusive title for the holidays at the $499 price. Some sort of bundling to justify the extra cost (extra controller, etc.).
Comparing Sony and MSFT's other business is laughable. Sony is a $20 billion company, MSFT is literally 14 times that. This is definitely critical to Sony, but it's a very small slice of the MSFT revenue and profit pie.
Comparing Apple TV to a console is also misguided. Apple TV is less powerful than most smart phones. It couldn't even run 360/PS3 level games.
and give up its idiotically horrible policy of making users of their products rent them from the Cloud instead of being able to make a one-time full purchase.
Unfortunately, I bet the XBox user base is louder and more vehement than the mild-mannered designers and communications types who have to use Adobe products.
I am way over my head, and have nothing to contribute, because I haven't entered into this world. My son does xbox, and had a ps3, and we have wii, but I just don't want to take the time to learn all the combinations of moves, and to master what it takes to shoot imaginary bad guys and drive imaginary cars and do imaginary things.
I'd be fascinating to know the demographics of this thread: I'm guessing it is even more overwhelmingly male than usual, along with being closer to 20 years old.
i think the average age of gamers is over 30 now.
1973 Michigan grad.
I don't know if that is the average, but many people over the age of 30 (I am 31 and play XBOX a lot) still play. Why? Well the answer is simple. People in my generation were kids when NES came out in the 80s and lived through the boom of the video game industry. We still like video games and there is nothing wrong with that. They're just another mode of home entertainment and I don't know why some people make fun of adults for playing video games. What is the difference between sitting on your ass for hours watching television/movies and sitting on your ass for hours playing video games (or even reading a book for that matter)? There is NO difference. I guarantee there are some video game stories that are far superior to many movies and books. If anything, at least I'm involved in a video game as opposed to watching television.
... But you sound overly defensive about it.
Maybe. I just get annoyed when others say, "Video games are for kids" because not all of them are. In fact, I would guess that there are more adult video games than those for kids.
It's the only demographic that I know of that keeps getting larger. People like me (born 81) had them around (in the home or friends) since they can remember.
Almost 39 here - NCAA14 comes out on my birthday and I've already earmarked it for purchase.
Whew, I'm old.
Despite my counter example of being 35 and married with two kids(wife still cannot figure out why I still play videogames), I imagine in general your suppositions on the demographics of this thread are true, but that's because that's the general demographic of most hardcore sports fans.
I think the gaming demographics are changing as people who grew up playing videogames won't stop, but there will probably always be constants influencing the demographical trends such as: disposable income(as a dad I don't have much, one reason I was so pissed about the used game thing for the Xbox1), inherent storytelling limitations of the videogame medium, and also free time(something younger people tend to have more of). Similar trends influence almost all entertainment mediums though(types of movies that get made, TV shows, popular books, etc.)
I'm on the fence. I'm not much of a gamer but had both consoles. I generally like the Xbox 360 more simply because I like the interface and controller. That being said, the PS3 was probably the greatest piece of home theater equipment I have ever owned. I have one of the original fat PS3 players and it still works perfectly. It has always been used basically as a blu-ray player, and has been outstanding. It was basically future proof. I think it was kind of ahead of its time and probably cost the PS3 the last console war. It was expensive at the time and hard to develop for, but it was an amazing piece of equipment.
I think I'm on my 3rd Xbox 360. The newer ones are very nice but the original ones were not reliable. It never had close to the bells and whistles the PS3 had. I like all the apps associated with 360 interface but could do without kinect.
I'm not sure which one I will end up with. It may come down to the simple fact that I really like the XBOX controller much better. I use my consoles more as entertainment boxes that can play games. Both of them appear very similar this time around.
Saying the original 360's were "unreliable" is a massive understatement. There was a horrific design flaw in the original run of 360's that caused a HUGE failure rate. Microsoft never released the numbers, but my own personal talks with at least 50-60 people who owned inital run boxes found about a 100% failure rate with those boxes. They pretty much all failed eventually if they were used on a regular basis. Luckily Microsoft replaced/fixed a lot of them for free since they failed under warranty, but it was a major pain in the ass. The flaw involved something with overheating causing one of the boards inside to warp slightly which caused a chip to actually pop out of the socket.
My first 360 red-ringed in 5 minutes. My second one lasted just to the edge of the warranty before failing.
They finally found the design flaw and since then the reliability has been fine. After I sent my 2nd one in to be fixed by MIcrosoft, it has run fine for the last 6 or 7 years or so.
If you ever took one apart you can see that the heatsink/cooling was totally inadequate. However, I only ever suffered 1 RROD b/c my 360 was in an open area and not stuffed into a entertainment console with the cable box, router etc.
Once, MSFT released the "Jasper" chips most people never had a problem again. While it may have been shitty engineering, people also have to think about the amount of heat these things give off. Its just like a laptop, get a lapdesk so you dont fry your MOBO/battery because your laptop is propped up on a pillow with the fan covered for 6 hours a night.
You could have the damn thing running in a wind tunnel and it was still likely to fail eventually with heavy use. I never had mine in an entertainment center either. It was completely out in the open with nothing else around it. My friends did the same and all lost theirs too, usually multiple times. The things were just doomed because the initial design was flawed.
Like I said, Microsoft figured out what the problem was and if you got it fixed after the date that Microsoft had the proper fix, then you were pretty much golden. Mine has worked flawlessly for years since they fixed it.
I'm not bagging on Microsoft, just stating the facts of what was a major issue for early adopters of the 360. I've loved the 360.
New consoles are one area where I always opt for the extended warranty.
I went through four PS2s in less than 18 months and three 360s over the same amount of time. The Xbox red ring got a lot of attention. But in my experience (consoles owned by me and those I know/knew) the PS2 was at least as problematic. The original Xbox and the PS3 seemed to be better... But I always assume it's a roll of the dice when buying a new game system.
There are massive corners cut in the rush to gets these systems out and get them produced cheaply enough to turn a profit on them. In the 360's case, Microsoft really rushed the product to get it market a full holiday season before the PS3 and it was a hugely successful decision, but it also probably led to the flawed design that caused so many of them to fail.
I would expect this generation to have more stable hardware just because it has been so long since the consoles have had a refresh that there has been tons of design time for the hardware. They should have had a lot of time to figure out exact what they wanted to do. But new consoles always have room for errors.
My first one got the rrod and I bought a new one and it wasn't much of an upgrade either. I bought a clear blue case, about 8 different led fans, and put in an internal liquid cooling setup. Loved every bit of that upgrade. Worked flawlessly for years.
I got burned by buying the kinect for the xbox. Also I read that the PS4 is being released after XMAS????? WTF
As of right now, both the XBox One and PS4 are being released on November 30th, but a few of the multi-platform (PS3, XBox 360, PS4, XBox One) games currently have 12/30/13 as the release date while they work on them as they were originally planed only for current gen consoles.
I'm glad this is out of the way now (and it is). People afraid they'll bring this back post launch are insane. If they folded to the backlash of a bunch of people who hadn't spent a dime, what makes you think they'd invite the massive cluster fuck that doing it to paying customers would look like?
I was actually browsing a couple places trying to decide where to pre order a PS4 yesterday when the news broke. Glad I didn't... I'm happy to able to stick with the Xbox.
While I own both consoles, and I am glad to see Mircrosft reverse their stance on the always online "lincenseship of games", I can see the argument that their plan wasn't bad. I mean they were basiclly using the Steam model for gaming. Be able to log into your account on any machine and have access to your games. I know when Steam first moved towards this no disk policy there was alot of uproar, but now PC gaming cant be imagined without Steam. Just some things to think about.... Gizmodo had a nice article about it that..... LINK
The kinect being on 24/7 scares me. With all these government assholes spying, I'm very apprehensive. That and it is $100 more.
While the Kinect may be on at all times, it will not be recording or uploading any video, you would notice this fairly easy when it slows your internet speeds way down. It is staying on in a low power state so you can turn your system on with voice activation, which you may be able to turn off.
"Honey, not right here in front of the Kinect..."
This isn't MSFT listening to the consumer, this is MSFT covering their own ass in the wake of a consumer with a superior substitute product. If MSFT was only competing with Nintendo the wouldn't give two shits about whether people wanted DRM and always online or not.
They are a business. Fuck integrity, they are in this to make money. Do you honestly think Sony went into E3 thinking "No DRM!! For the consumers!!"??
no. Sony chose no DRM because they have enough business sense to see it ad a competitive advantage over Microsoft. Sony doesn't care about you or I any more than Microsoft. They just want you to think they do.
Is that you will need a day one update to get rid of the DRM/internet every 24 hour.
So what are the costs to play online for both systems
I have heard some games will still be free to play online for the PS4 /
So somebody tell me the cost to play online for both systems
All i play are sports games, and for 2014 , FIFA probably the only game, maybe MADDEN, as I am not feeling NCAA 14, as they haven't updated it in awhile it seems in regards to gameplay, they don't give player updates during the season ( Manziel was still a 76 overall after he won the heisman), and too many issues in dynasty mode, EA seems not to give a daam about NCAA once Madden comes out.
As for Madden, the only 2 reasons I am considering it is Barry is on the cover, and the direct tv deal. But I already have direct tv, so it not even be worth it.
So if you already have Direct Tv, is it worth buying madden for the sunday ticket , i had direct tv last year and had the ticket, but is their any benefit of getting madden if your already a direct tv customer ?
Well if your buying for the Barry cover, you may want to get the PS3 or 360 version. Rumor is that Peterson is on the next generation covers and Barry gets the PS3 and 360 covers. How lame is that if its true.
I believe they'll find another way to go about doing the same thing once they have people committed to the system. I'm going with Playstation 4.
I gave Sony a lot of credit for "listening" to the consumer base, but now that Microsoft has caved I have to admit...If they were the same price, I'd get the xbox. Their launch exclusices do look better. But with the $100 difference...I'm still going Sony. I'll probably grab an xbox when I can get it used on ebay for $150.
It's all about the PC
I dont know as much as many of you do, but is the XBOX going to be able to play blu ray?
I'm thinking to wait til next summer to get a new system right now leaning toward Ps4 because of the price and RDM and need to be online 24/7 and it didnt help when president said "if you want to play offline we have the 360". But the gamer in me want to stay Xbox because they have a better gaming stream then PS4 since Xbox is partnered with twitch and PS4 is with U-stream. In videogame streaming Twitch is good while U-stream not so much.
Whats the online cost per month to play PS4 and X Box One ?
Trying to figure out If I gotta pay to play online or is it free still for ps4
somebody said if you have plus you have to pay
anybody with any info on cost to play online
Not sure of the exact cost ($5 a month?). But from what I've been hearing the PS4 will not be free to play online like the PS3 was/is.
Was considering the PS4 partially due to the costs of Xbox live which will conveniently come up for renewal first of January...would have been nice to go free online with purchase of PS4.
Playstation Plus is $50 a year and is only needed for multiplayer access. Xbox Live Gold is $60 and I'm pretty sure you have to use it for any online service.
Sorry, Microsoft. Too late. I already pre-ordered my PS4. But it's all good. I won't be able to play my 360 games on the Xbone anyway so I said screw it. Used to have PSone and PS2. Bought a 360 because all my college buddies had one and it was cheaper. I love my 360 and will continue to play it after I get my PS4. But the policies Microsoft came out with originally really tainted my view of the new console. I'll be perfectly happy with my 360 and PS4.
they will reverse field on this too and work in some backwards compatibility into the Xbox One...in time for the holidays? Probably not...lol Yet another nail in the coffin for me too.
I did the same exact thing. Microsoft blew it on this one I also have pre ordered my ps4. Also Sony has better exclusive games then Microsoft so it's cool.
Studies have shown that people always say they want backwards compatibility in consoles but then almost never use it for more than a very brief period at the beginining of the consoles lifetime. So it's a question of, do you give people what they SAY they want, or what they actually demonstrate that they want?
Honestly, outside of a few games of Halo 2 I can't think of a single XBox game I ever played on my 360.
I want to bitch slap the hell out of the person who told We Are The Borg that his DarthWolverine handle was caved and nobody has been able to see his posts without the iPhone app for the past few months.
It still has a REQUIRED kinect device that is capable of hearing your heartbeat (... whispers in the other room????!?!?) that WILL be collecting data.
I'm assuming a lot of you never had the original kinect, I personally enjoyed having that thing turn itself on (360 off) in the middle of the night to take a peak around my room, that lasted 1 night before being sold.
On top of the used game policy is the patents filed for individual charges for use of products. "Oop, you have 4 people in the room, well you only paid for 2 people to watch it so you have to rent it two more times."