OT: Michigan (the state) more popular than Ohio

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OT: Michigan (the state) more popular than Ohio

Public Policy Polling conducted an (admittedly pointless) nationwide survey to determine the relative favorability with which each of the 50 states is viewed. A few interesting notes for MGoBloggers:

  • Among Big Ten states, Pennsylvania has the highest favorability spread: 40% of Americans view Pennsylvania favorably, and only 11% unfavorably.
  • Michigan has both higher favorables (38%) and higher unfavorables (21%) than Ohio (34-18), but our 17-point spread is slightly better than their 16-point difference.
  • Illinois is by far the least popular Big Ten state, and one of only 5 states in the country that's viewed more unfavorably (29%) than favorably (19%) by its fellow Americans.
  • Unsurprisingly, Hawaii wins the blue ribbon as the most popular state in the Union.

If you're interested, full results can be found here.

(Yes, it's "cool story, bro" material, but we haven't had a commitment in over 36 hours (!!!) and I'm trying to keep myself occupied in the deafening silence)

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February 21st, 2012 at 3:39 PM | All humans hate Ohio. (Score:5 Normal)
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All humans hate Ohio.

Michigan: 895–310–36 (Best in NCAA)
vs Ohio State: 58-43-6
vs Notre Dame: 23-15-1
vs MSU:  67-32-5
vs B1G: 516-196-24
vs SEC:  20-6-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<

February 22nd, 2012 at 11:50 AM | agreed! (Score:1)
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Breathe If You Hate Ohio State T-Shirt

February 21st, 2012 at 3:44 PM | I wonder what the IL (Score:1 Flamebait)
reshp1
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I wonder what the IL fav/unfavs were prior to 2008

February 21st, 2012 at 3:44 PM | I'm surprised that New Jersey (Score:2 Normal)
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I'm surprised that New Jersey isn't last. Also: if you removed LA from California, I bet its at least mid-pack. 

February 21st, 2012 at 6:03 PM | Well (Score:2)
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It gives me hope that America might actually realize that New Jersey is comprised of a lot more than the (admittedly) terrible 2% of the state that is shown on MTV/Bravo.

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February 21st, 2012 at 6:31 PM | Agreed (Score:2)
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I was born and raised in new jersey and lived in pa for a year and pa (where I lived) was brutal. New jersey has alot of run down areas but it's got alot of nice parts and there is tons to do where I live atleast. For the record people in new jersey hate the jersey shore show

February 21st, 2012 at 3:46 PM | coach hoke should make a sign (Score:5 Normal)
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coach hoke should make a sign out of this.... take that urban

February 21st, 2012 at 3:54 PM | Well I grew up in PA and I can tell you.. (Score:5 Normal)
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I can tell you from a Pennsylvania point of view I hate Ohio and NJ the most. Imagine being lumped between those 2 states.... 

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February 21st, 2012 at 6:51 PM | Don't forget gorgeous West (Score:2 Normal)
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Don't forget gorgeous West Virginia to the south, with beautiful and warm Lake Erie to the north, plus all those exciting population centers in mid-upstate New York!

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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:18 PM | West Virginia's scenery is (Score:2)
jmblue
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West Virginia's scenery is actually very pretty.  I went on a rafting trip there a couple years ago.

February 21st, 2012 at 4:01 PM | How is California the most (Score:5 Normal)
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How is California the most disliked?  I mean, I understand that the state had money trouble, LA sucks, and it may drop off the continent at any point in time, but California does have some very nice places.

Plus, it's not Ohio.

February 21st, 2012 at 5:00 PM | Yeah, that's interesting.  (Score:4 Normal)
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Yeah, that's interesting.  I've never been one to rave about CA, but it certainly has a lot of redeeming qualities.  It has an ocean with great beaches, beautiful mountains, tons of sunshine and some of the best schools in the country.  Not to mention the best wine in the Western Hemisphere.  And even if you don't like LA, San Diego and San Francisco are two of the coolest cities in the country, both for totally different reasons.

February 21st, 2012 at 5:01 PM | People in the surrounding (Score:3 Normal)
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People in a lot of Western states hate Californians for moving to their states and making them more crowded and expensive -  more like California itself.

February 21st, 2012 at 5:05 PM | Thats a good point though, (Score:2 Normal)
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Thats a good point though, but it calls into question what the poll really asks.  Does America dislike California, or Californians, because there's a huge difference.  Easily the worst part about CA is the people who are from there, but one of the great things about CA is that so many people who live here aren't from here. 

Californians, by and large, are terrible people.  The state, however, is gorgeous. 

February 21st, 2012 at 6:00 PM | Wha? (Score:2 Normal)
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I've lived all over the place (urban, rural, US, abroad) but I'm from the East Coast originally. I lived in Santa Cruz and San Francisco for a few years not too long ago and found the people from there to be lovely and really, really fun. The folks I didn't like were the gazillion hipster transplants in the Bay Area. Los Angeles is a different story, I'd never want to live there or the Central Valley, but I'd argue that the people actually from there are nice enough. They're definitely not terrible people overall, IMHO.

 

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February 21st, 2012 at 6:02 PM | Santa Cruz might be the most (Score:1 Flamebait)
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Santa Cruz might be the most laid back place on the planet, and is certainly not indicative of the state as a whole.  And I suppose I was speaking more of Southern Californians than people from the Bay Area.  Born and raised Angelenos are terrible.  The transplants in SoCal are mostly Midwesterners looking for jobs or sunshine. 

February 21st, 2012 at 6:13 PM | Fair point. (Score:1)
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Most of the Angelenos I know are people who left to move to the Midwest or Bay Area, so probably not representative of the majority.

Dude, now I miss California. Don't get me started on Jersey though.

 

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February 21st, 2012 at 6:16 PM | And I guess most of the (Score:1 Flamebait)
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And I guess most of the Angelenos I know are the ones who didn't leave, and most of them think Los Angeles is the only city on earth worth living in. 

So I should specify - Angelenos in Los Angeles are terrible. 

EDIT:  Additionally, a good chunk of the bad apples here are the kids who come to LA to "make it" and they usually think their shit doesn't stink for about 5 years until they're just 28 year old cocktail waitresses, and the kids who are total douches in whatever state they live in and move to LA to become super douche.  That happens a lot.

February 21st, 2012 at 5:47 PM | I am very surprised by this (Score:1)
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I am very surprised by this as well. Have people really forgotten everything the Beach Boys taught us?

February 21st, 2012 at 4:03 PM | This just in... (Score:2 Normal)
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February 21st, 2012 at 4:10 PM | So this is what you'd (Score:-1 Trolling)
February 21st, 2012 at 4:11 PM | How is it that Deleware got a (Score:4 Normal)
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How is it that Deleware got a 0% favorable and 0% unfavorable?

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February 21st, 2012 at 4:19 PM | Clearly no one can bring (Score:3 Normal)
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Clearly no one can bring themselves to have any kind of opinion about Delaware.

February 21st, 2012 at 4:40 PM | I don't think (Score:3 Normal)
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I don't think anyone has been there.

The only time I'm in Delaware is on the train to NYC. I have yet to actually stop in that place.

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February 21st, 2012 at 9:20 PM | It's existance is debatable (Score:2 Normal)
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My wife firmly argues that the existance of Delaware is a fiction. My counter-argument that I have actually been there does not dissuade her.

February 21st, 2012 at 4:52 PM | I live in Delaware (Score:5 Normal)
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it's ok

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February 21st, 2012 at 4:30 PM | There's a reason why so many (Score:5 Normal)
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There's a reason why so many astronauts have been from Ohio. They're trying to get as far as away as possible...

February 21st, 2012 at 4:31 PM | I'm a Michigan fan who lives (Score:-1 Trolling)
February 21st, 2012 at 4:32 PM | OT, but Huge just said why (Score:4 Normal)
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OT, but Huge just said why doesn't Ohio pay tribute to Woody Hayes by scheduling Clemson and punching a guy on the sidelines.

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February 21st, 2012 at 4:51 PM | I am genuinely baffled by (Score:3 Normal)
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I am genuinely baffled by Illinois and California being the two least favorable states in the nation. As an Illinoisian who loves to visit California, I would like to know why so many Americans have a beef with two great places.

February 21st, 2012 at 5:09 PM | "Hate" is a strong word, but (Score:3 Normal)
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"Hate" is a strong word, but I definitely don't enjoy driving in Illinois.  It seems like the entire driving experience in that state is either 1) being gridlocked in horrendous traffic (and paying tolls constantly) or 2) 500 miles of flat cornfields.

February 21st, 2012 at 5:33 PM | See, I would get that if they (Score:1)
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See, I would get that if they told people to take into account the entire state of Illinois, but as stated below, most people equate Chicago with Illinois.  So as a person from the Chicago area, I don't really get it.  Traffic isn't really that much worse for a massive metropolitan region and the terrain isn't too different than most other Midwest states.

I'm thinking the unfavorability comes from some political things that are not kosher for the board.

February 21st, 2012 at 5:47 PM | Traffic is definitely worse (Score:2)
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Traffic is definitely worse in the Chicago area than anywhere else in the Midwest.  It's bad enough that a lot of people headed that direction will go out of their way to plan alternate routes to avoid the gridlock.  I know people who, coming from the Lower Peninsula to Wisconsin, will actually drive the long way (through the U.P.) to avoid the Chicago traffic.

It may be that for a metropolitan area of 9-10 million people, that level of congestion is normal, but for a Michigander it's the only city of that size within reasonable driving distance, so we don't have a point of comparison.  If I'm going to NYC, I won't take the car - I'll fly and use public transportation when I'm there.

 

February 21st, 2012 at 5:12 PM | For most people Illinois = (Score:1)
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For most people Illinois = Chicago.  While Chicago has some great things about it, driving there is awful.  Chicago also has a reputation for political corruption.  Regardless of whether or not that reputation is warranted, that is probably the perception among many people.

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February 21st, 2012 at 5:17 PM | Why is traffic such a major (Score:3 Normal)
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Why is traffic such a major factor to so many people?  LA has bad traffic, Chicago has bad traffic, NYC has bad traffic - most major cities have bad traffic, it's a product of being where a lot of other people also are. 

Chicago is one of the coolest cities in the country, and I've never not wanted to go there because of traffic.  In fact, I would have voted for Illinois (because of Chicago) as the most favorable state in the Midwest. 

February 21st, 2012 at 6:02 PM | Traffic is an issue party (Score:2 Normal)
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Traffic is an issue party because it does affect the quality of life (i.e. extended commutes leave less time with family, friends, etc.).  When I lived in San Diego there were a lot of things to do there, but there were plenty of times when we decided to scrap our plans to do something because we knew that traffic would be too much of a hassle.

Also, I personally had a lof of experiences with Chicago traffic when I lived in Milwaukee and had family in Michigan.  Because I was going through Chicago and not visiting, the traffic was my primary concern.  The Chicago highways always seem to be undergoing major construction but never seem to make much progress.

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February 21st, 2012 at 6:08 PM | That being said, I agree that (Score:1)
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That being said, I agree that Chicago is not alone in having traffic problems.  Like you said, many of the largest cities do have issues with traffic.  I just have more experience driving in Chicago than in NY, and it always made me crazy.

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February 21st, 2012 at 6:09 PM | My question wasn't "is (Score:3 Normal)
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My question wasn't "is traffic a bad thing" because I think we'll all agree that traffic sucks.  But the point I was trying to make was that every big city worth living in or going to has bad traffic.  You use San Diego as an example of bad traffic, but my wife and I like to go to San Diego because the traffic there is so light. 

If you're not a big city person, that's fine.  Then it's a lot more than traffic.  But when judging big cities against each other, saying "but they have bad traffic" is like comparing skyscapers against each other and saying "but I don't like elevators." 

February 21st, 2012 at 9:29 PM | It depends where you're going (Score:1)
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I lived there for 3 years and I can tell you there are certain routes (very popular ones, obviously) where the traffic is worse than it is in LA. There are routes where there is surprisingly little traffic, but there are some that are just a total nightmare. It all depends on where you are staying and where you are going.

That said, it doesn't come close to Chicago. I did three years there and that is the worst traffic I have ever experienced, easily worse than LA and the Bay Area, two other places I've lived and are notorious for bad traffic.

February 21st, 2012 at 9:58 PM | Not that I can trust anyone (Score:2)
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Not that I can trust anyone who would willfully move away from San Diego, but there's no way Chicago traffic is worse than LA.  I've lived in LA for a while and been to Chicago many, many times.  Even my buddies from Chicago complain about LA traffic when they come here.

February 21st, 2012 at 5:18 PM | Speaking of cities.... (Score:2)
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The same polling outfit asked Michiganders about their opinions of several of the state's most famous cities. The results can be found here, but suffice it to say that Ann Arbor won in a landslide.

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February 21st, 2012 at 6:28 PM | I don't get the IL hate either (Score:1)
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I'm from Canton, MI and I love the Chicago experience.  Why so many haters?

 

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February 21st, 2012 at 5:00 PM | Live here for a while..... (Score:3 Normal)
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Once you actually move to Cali, you will understand a little better why it is disliked. 

For me growing up over on the west side of Michigan on the farm, this place is about the most backwards place I have ever seen, and i have been out here for a couple of years now!

Probably has a lot to do with everything being expensive, everyone being somewhat fake, and having to deal with a lot of commuter/traffic issues that you wouldn't normally see.

Just the other day it took me three hours to get from LAX to Pasadena, which is only about 25 miles or so away.  Very frustrating.

February 21st, 2012 at 5:01 PM | You should always fly out of (Score:2)
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You should always fly out of Burbank, that's what I do.  It's crazy when I fly from LA to Grand Rapids, and GRR is the busier airport. 

February 21st, 2012 at 5:17 PM | True, but it generally tends (Score:2)
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True, but it generally tends to be more expensive to fly BUR to GRR than it does to fly from LAX to say MDW or ORD.  I end up getting sent on work stuff last minute, so that is why i end up there a lot more often. 

Not at all saying I hate living here, just a change that takes some time to get used to i guess.

February 21st, 2012 at 5:22 PM | Yeah, it's a bit more (Score:2)
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Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but time is money, and if your company is paying for it, who cares?

That said, Pasadena is about the worst place to live in LA as far as getting to LAX is concerned. 

EDIT:  If you're going to Midway, Burbank is perfect because you can fly Southwest, which is what I fly almost exclusively.  I would recommend checking that out, it will probably even save you money.

February 21st, 2012 at 5:41 PM | I completely agree for (Score:2)
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I completely agree for personal travel, and believe me I always go that route first.

However, there are sadly not too many flights out of Burbank that go to the UK, which was the case not the other day.  That is the curse of having to go on last minute overseas trips!

February 21st, 2012 at 5:17 PM | San Diego was fun for a (Score:2 Normal)
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San Diego was fun for a while, but the traffic kept getting worse and the cost of living kept going up.  I used to ride my bike about 12 miles each way to work and back when I lived there, and I would usually get there faster than if I had driven my car.

When it was time to start a family I returned to the Midwest for a bit before finally settling here in Boise and we are loving it here.

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February 21st, 2012 at 9:25 PM | Total concurrence (Score:1)
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I lived there for 3 years and was happy to leave and never plan on moving back. Though I also got sick of the weather, which most people have a hard time understanding.

February 21st, 2012 at 5:08 PM | Nice to see my home state of (Score:1)
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Nice to see my home state of Idaho coming in at a +19.  I am not surprised that 58% of people are "not sure" of their opinion of Idaho (only Nebraska and West Virginia had a higher percentage), but I was wondering who are the 11% with negative associations.  Oregon fans, I presume.

You could also state the results as indicating that Michigan was in the top half of the results and Ohio was in the bottom half.

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