OT Michigan Smoking Ban
Personally I love it. I was in AZ when it passed out there and the world still went on. I know this is a divisive issue and am wondering how the board feels about it.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/12/michigan_legislature_…
December 11th, 2009 at 7:33 PM ^
I agree completely.
So far no one has bothered to address the issue of the cigar bar. There is an exemption in the law that allows for them. (and casinos, but I think that was a complete sell-out).
Where are the people weeping for their poor choking employees?
Where is the outrage that you'd still be subject to all that disgusting smoke if you entered?
Is it because cigars are cooler?
That they don't smell as bad?
Too small of a niche?
If you're ok with cigar bars existing (e.i. you know exactly what your in for) then why not other special smoking bars for the 20% that want to sit around and blow first AND second hand smoke into each others faces.
Call them smoking quarantine clubs.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:03 PM ^
second hand cigar smoke is just as unhealthy as cigarette smoke. In fact, it is likely MORE unhealthy because it is unfiltered.
Personally, I feel the decision to allow smoking in a privately owned establishment should be up to the owner of the establishment and not the government.
December 12th, 2009 at 1:31 PM ^
(See my post #154 at 3:37pm)
December 11th, 2009 at 7:54 PM ^
to smoking and non-smoking sections? By the way, I was watching the local news story about this and they interviewed some guy about it who was just as happy as can be that no more smoking was aloud, HOLDING HIS FUCKING BABY AT THE TABLE. So, no one can smoke but we all have to listen to you're stupid fucking kid while we try to eat, and just hope he doesn't take a huge shit. The nerve of some people. Don't get me wrong, I understand why non smokers wouldn't want to be around smoke, but thats fucking bullshit right there, hypocrites.
December 11th, 2009 at 8:04 PM ^
My 2 cents:
Like it or not, this is the way America is going. California has been smoke free in public places for years now as well. Not only that, but entire cities (Beverly Hills, Calabasas and downtown Burbank, for example) have banned smoking outdoors. This has made these areas MORE desirable to live in.
Smoking is not as socially accepted today as it was 20 years ago, and people don't put up with it like the used to. Expect this trend to continue.
December 11th, 2009 at 8:17 PM ^
they are affected by other peoples exhaust fumes everyday...Where is the fucking crybaby army for those poor, mistreated souls?
December 13th, 2009 at 12:37 PM ^
Once you get used to it, you can no longer stand being in a place that does have smoke.
Whether or not you agree with it, it all comes down to your opinion on how much the government should regulate health or morality standards.
To those who oppose smoking legislation, do you support laws against drinking and driving? Should people be allowed to drink in their own home/cars, and then drive regardless of BAC?
Most people would agree they should not be able to...
December 14th, 2009 at 10:12 PM ^
This is the third state that I have lived when the smoking ban hit. There is always the morning freakout and the evening who gives a shit. Smokers get used to it real quick. No big deal.
December 17th, 2009 at 10:54 AM ^
but as a smoker living in Canada (where these laws have existed for a few years) I can honestly say I think they are a good thing.
As a smoking Dr. (which is quite a minority in this country anyway) I know of the various health risks associated with smoking and don't feel that I (or anyone else who smokes) has the right to impose those risks on others who chose not to accept them.
When the law first past here I was a little angry about it but that was only because of the way it impacted me personally. Once I took the time to consider the rationale behind the law and get over my selfishness, I realised it was the right thing to do.