just started a new job on Monday.
Good luck to all those looking for work.
just started a new job on Monday.
Good luck to all those looking for work.
my job of nine years yesterday, to take a lower paying job with no benefits. The move was made possible by the fact that my wife has a job with great benefits for our family (2 kids). My new job offers more challenge, more responsibility and a better chance for long term reward and satisfaction, but with more risk and less dough in the short run.
All of this probably sounds ok, until today. Today my wife lost her job. Oh well, it looks like my daycare bill is going to be a lot less this month.
+1 to you, so you can trade in your MGoPoints for benefits. You can do that, right?
Not to make light of the situation, but MGObamaCare sounds awesome right about now.
Sad to hear about your wife; I hope things work out for you two and the kids.
I graduated last April from our beloved university with two engineering degrees but still can't find a job. I'm working IT where I worked as a student but I hate it so much (I used to come home with moderately bad headaches every day).
I'm actually nominally looking for a job right now while watching the Iowa game. But MGoBlog is a bad tab to have open while looking for jobs.
Anyone in need of a chemical engineer?
I'm also nominally looking for jobs while watching the game, but at least in this area, it seems like no one's posted anything new since well before Christmas.
Oh well, at least I have football.
No wonder I can't get hired anywhere.
Sorry for the length of this, but I still get the emails from the BME department and they sent this out today. Requires 3 years of experience, but somewhere to try to network if nothing else.
Process Development Engineer
Draths Corporation, located in Lansing MI, is building a next generation chemical
company focused on manufacturing biobased materials for use in everyday
products via environmentally friendly and economical processes. The technology
platform covers the entire benzene value chain, enabling it to manufacture products
that are identical to intermediates used to make nylons, plastics, and a host of other
materials. Draths is unique in this capability and is different from companies that
are manufacturing biofuels or targeting other parts of the carbon‐based chemical
value chain (e.g., C‐2, C‐3 materials). Draths is looking for individuals who are
committed to changing the way chemicals are made and who are willing to put forth
the effort necessary to enable a growing biotech startup to achieve its technical
The Process Development Engineer will work closely with biologists and chemists
to optimize current process technologies, suggest and implement process
improvements, and assist in the scale‐up to successful commercial manufacturing.
The Process Development Engineer will also assist and collaborate with external
service providers retained by the company to work on the design, construction, and
initial operation of all pilot and commercial manufacturing facilities. Key functions
in this primarily technical role include implementation and optimization of chemical
and biochemical unit operations such as reaction, solid/liquid separation,
liquid/liquid extraction, distillation, and others as required. The successful
candidate for this role will be fully engaged in the commercialization of the
technology. The position will report to the Director of Engineering and Process
Development, and has outstanding potential for career progression.
‐Plans and conducts process development programs and process improvement
research to advance the business objectives
‐Works effectively with internal and external partners to deliver the process
development and capital project portfolio
‐Implements and optimizes process technology at the pilot scale and develop design
criteria for full commercial scale operations
‐Be a constructive member of the technology team; participating in the conception
and implementation of new process and product technology for corporate growth
‐Exhibits safety leadership and promotes safe operations
‐Experience and proven track record in some or all of the following: process
development, process safety, process engineering, and project management
‐Potential leadership capability and current skill at managing interpersonal
‐Experience with scale‐up of new process technology to commercial operation
‐Passion to be a ‘ands on’contributor to the process development and engineering
‐Strong communication skills, collaborative by nature, and committed to the success
of self and coworkers
‐Capable of delivering a portfolio of multiple projects simultaneously
Education and Direct Experience:
‐BS degree in Chemical or Biochemical Engineering required. MS or PhD in
Chemical or Biochemical Engineering would be a strong plus
‐At least 3 years experience in the chemical, biochemical, or pharmaceutical
industry with some direct experience in process development, pilot plant
operations, or project management
Draths offers competitive compensation commensurate with education and
experience and a benefits package including health, dental, and vision insurance,
flexible spending plans, life insurance, and 401k.
Submit your cover letter, resume/CV to [email protected]
Please use the job title in the subject line of your email submission.
Thanks, I'll apply to that.
Working IT is something that's easy to get stuck in, too. Anyone intelligent enough to get a degree in Engineering is more than smart enough to do well in IT, and the problem solving skills are usually greatly appreciated. Nothing wrong with IT (I've worked IT throughout my undergrad so far), but when you're taking engineering classes and seeing all of the cool things you could be working on, it's tough to be content.
Definately IT is easy to get stuck in and be overqualified for. Despite holding degrees in both Business and Computer Information System (CIS) I am currently stuck in this world of being a glorified techie. As the market is currently flooded with out-of-work Computer Engineers, etc its difficult to move to the next step. Oh well, at least I have a job though is pretty much what I can say.
/now back to my job and dealing with know-it-all Engineers ;)
...IT the entire time I was in undergrad and it sounds like not much has changed.
UMMS was the worst because the doctors ran the place and they could request, and get the most uniquely incompatible software and hardware permutations you can imagine. The network was also transitioning from coax Ethernet to twisted pair, and the server farm included the mainframe, a VAX, Win NT4, Novell, and AppleTalk boxes.
I don't remember too many headaches though. I think bike commuting helped me work off most job frustrations. If I was better at getting ass I think I could've taken care of most of the rest.
Grad school is a great way to avoid the economic downturn. If you find the right lab in engineering (or math or basic science) they pay you for it too. Something to consider.
I'm there with you. Been out for about 5 months now. The company I worked for went bankrupt last year. Been looking and its been a bitch. On the plus side, I've been able to rethink my direction in life. On the negative, bills are piling up.
Not to be mistake with the MGoDepression Club. My dad was recently unemployed for a while last year, and I know how tough that is on a person. I'm currently in high school, so I don't have to worry about it. I guess it's a good time to be in school, anyways. Good luck to all without a job right now.
Stay in school and eat your vegetables.
Graduated with a teaching degree and promptly went to Iraq. Now currently working on one for next school year.
I was in a tough spot for a while a year ago (and who knows, it could happen again) but I recommend throwing out as many resumes as you can, networking, and most importantly - have some fun with your new found free time!
Hell yeah. Unemployed. Finance in New York.
Unemployed going on 5 months. Just finished my Masters in August. I've sucked my savings dry. Resorted to signing up for a cycling research study for $500 this month.
Anyone looking for a meteorologist, or know anyone looking? Yeah, didn't think so.
Same here, I finished a Master's in July. I'm paying the bills working in retail, and my managers are great and all, but it's not exactly what I was hoping the next step would be.
I had job offers after finishing my BSE, but thought it prudent to get my MS right away. Rethinking that strategy right now. On the plus side, it allows me to bring my mgopoint total.
I would not have over 1000 points if I had been working full-time the past few months, that's for sure.
I thought I needed two more years of education to be competitive for jobs. Now I look at all my friends who graduated in '07 and still have their jobs, and I kick myself a little.
I got my BSE in the spring of '01 when everyone had multiple job offers and life was good. I skipped out on it and went right into getting my MSE in Biomed. Long story short, I spent about 8 awful months unemployed after I graduated and was killing myself for not just being happy with what I had after undergrad.
Fast forward 7 years and there's no question I made the right choice. I have a great job in a great field that pays more than I would have made with 20 years of experience with my BSE in Materials Science.
So, there's my story, for what it's worth. I think more and better education will not hurt you in the long run.
Crazy how that works huh? I'm finishing up my BSE in May, and am planning to get the MS right away so I can avoid this crappy job market. Hopefully I get into Michigan, because then I'd avoid the market and become a true Wolverine in the process.
But you're already a true Wolverine. <3
A greater amount of MGoPoints should definitely be a plus for your resume.
I can offer you a phd position in meteorology. Wyoming is always looking for students.
School? Schools what got me into this mess :) I'm done with school. Thanks though.
It's a pay check and you'll get to do something you are interested in. We need students so badly here, you can do just about whatever you like.
Have you looked at Wind Energy companies or the companies that support them? I work at one and we have meterologists on staff who run our wind prediction models. It's a pretty cool job at least from where I sit - no idea what they are paid as I'm in a completely different area. I know the market has slowed some, but previously we had trouble finding people.
Some big players on the independent wind analysis side are Garrad Hassan, Wind Dot, and Global Energy Concepts. Renewable Energy sites like Greenjobs.com and renewableenergyjobs.com occassionaly post positions as well.
Best of luck.
I'll certainly look into it. I had seen a few postings for wind energy type jobs, but most of them were heavily programming based. Programming is my nightmare. It's a good industry to get into though. Thanks for the tip.
I've been laid off since dec 18 2008. Worked for about a month during the summer. Boss keeps saying its coming its coming, but I don't know. We're suppose to have a job coming up in the Soo (electrcian). Nobody is hiring any electricians around here. The only good thing that has come from it is my daughter was born feb 4 2009 so i've had pretty much a whole year being home with her. So its kinda a blessing in disguise. Luckily my wife got a full-time teaching job this summer or i'd probably be in wyoming.
Yep doing nothing with that engineering degree I got last April. On the plus side I get to sleep in most days
My company actually still hires on a pretty regular basis. I won't take the time to go into too much detail, but if you have a degree with some sort of biology connection, don't mind the sight of blood, are interested in an emerging patient care field, and don't mind moving to random parts of the country and working a different schedule everyday, check out www.biotronic.com. I'm not involved in the strategic planning portion of the company, but in general we hire a group of 10-13 people every three or four months.
(and if someone actually does this and gets a job, hunt me down so I can get the referral bonus!)
From the description it sounds like your company could do all sorts of things.
You guys hunt Zombies?
Who do I tell them sent me?
I feel for you all, especially the recent grads. I graduated in 2007 when the employment situation was very different.
I'm trying to help you fellow M grads out ... every recruiting cycle I'm at the LS&A and Engineering career fairs representing my company trying to get some fellow Wolverines hired. I push our recruiters to give every M grad the cut and have gotten in touch with the departments considering candidates to suggest that they hire Michigan kids.
Trust me this is an uphill battle when you work for an East Coast company where they would rather hire grads from Bentley, Marist or Northeastern over U of M.
I work for a Fortune 100 company in the midwest that actively recruits from the local schools, Wisconsin, and Michigan State (!!??!!). I have no idea why we don't hire Michigan grads, I was the first direct Michigan hire in the last 3 years.
I can't seem to convince them to go to the M career fair.
For a host of reasons, I moved to FL after finishing my degree, and I'm just now starting to think that being a Northerner with a private school degree may be a disadvantage when applying within a state higher ed system.
...and I feel you on the eastern bias. The current school in recruiting vogue at my workplace is Penn State and I work with a couple of their grads.
Based on my experiences working with Nittany Lion engineers I'd like to take a moment to haul out the ol' Michigan arrogance and state that yes, there truly is, a Michigan Difference.
The other frustrating thing about my firm is that I've tried to get in front of a Director and VP at my firm that are Michigan alums and they show little interest in developing younger alumni. I've passed them resumes from MechE honor students with 3.94 GPAs and they haven't even sniffed them.
I'm really starting to question them as Michigan Men because they seem to let themselves get pushed around by a PSU alum at the Director level. In fact, the VP's name was even visibly and repeatedly tied to a Penn State recruiting trip in the company newsletter. Absolutely disgusting.
I've been running a photography business, but it's not enough right now. I'm working on finding a part-time job to supplement the business, but that's not an easy task in a small town right now.
I really can't complain, though, because I'm doing something I really enjoy in a town I like. I feel for all the unemployed people here -- I hope you find work soon.
Bought a nice camera today in hopes of generating some side income, as well as to pursue my art fancies. I have other sources of income but I think it's a great idea to take photographs for money as well.
...is also a good way to get chicks.
Or so I hear.
Taking pictures of =/= getting.
...I've also heard that taking pics can get one to the promised land...
...but I tend to shoot architecture and landscapes, so I have no personal experience in that realm.
But be sure not to undercharge for your work. Professional photographers everywhere will thank you.
That's good advice, sir.
Not-so-proud member right here.
Seems like an LSA degree from our esteemed University really isn't so useful after all. :\
Unless you want to work at the mall. Or go to grad school.
Working on the latter.
History of music?
well... that depends.. LSA degree got me to med school..
Navy pays for all my shit now, but they own my ass for 5 years after I'm done.. plus an extra 4 years if I want to retire and get a pension.. might as well, since by the time I'm done studying I'll have 11 years of service + the 5 I owe them.. only need 20 total to get a pension at the age of 42..
Count me in for the MGoUnderemployed club.
Hopefully degree #2 fixes that, when I get it.
They kill hookers around here
As of today, I'm now funemployed. Well, heck, lets enjoy this. Anyone interested in traveling to East/South East Asia in late February or early March? Perhaps some back packing? It would be a great way to do something interesting in the long off season.
This topic makes me feel a little better about being unemployed. At least I'm not the only one...
You're not the same as kraMAB are you?
Finished up my BA from UM last May, been busting my ass to find something, anything. Double-majored in SAC (film), so I'm hoping to take advantage of the emerging film industry here in Michigan in some way.
I just spent the last four months in LA trying to find something, but if you can believe it, the entertainment industry is even harder to enter now. There are no jobs in LA; the fifty-ish veteran costumer I shared a place with couldn't even find work. He's off working on a television show shooting in Atlanta at the moment.
Just trying to find work and an apartment in Ann Arbor for now, maybe save up some money before I try the move in more prosperous times. Let me know if you're looking for a good roommate!
So yes, count me in. Good luck to us all.
...in that I've managed to stay continuously employed for the past 8 years or so. I finished my BSEE in summer '01, but I did not find a position until late fall '01. The economy wasn't great then, but it was nothing like what we're seeing now.
Most people on this board have probably figured out the points I am about to post, but I thought I'd share a few hard truths I've learned in case there is anyone out there that might benefit from a little external prompting.
If you're just starting out, or still have enough courses left to affect your GPA do everything you can to raise your average. Your GPA will directly influence your starting salary and the number of opportunities available to you. Also be aware that people will latch onto your GPA a decade after graduation as an easy way of summarizing you as a candidate. Yes it sucks, but that's the world we live in today. This lesson also applies to kids in HS headed for college in terms of acceptances and financial aid.
One thing that I'd advise, particularly if you hold a technical degree and plan on working in your field, is finding some way, any way to keep your skills sharp in the interim.
I say this because I don't seem to have absorbed everything presented in undergrad as deeply as I ought, and I noticed that my skills had faded appreciably in the six months between graduation and landing a job. I feel as though that initial decay has hurt my career somewhat.
Getting stuck in a position that involves more bureaucratic wrangling and red tape hasn't helped keep me sharp either. On the other hand there really aren't a lot of companies doing deep R&D these days. You may be better off staying in academia if this is what you're dead set on doing.
I tried to escape my current position a few months ago by interviewing for a position out West. I was actually shocked to get the onsite because I felt I seriously mangled the technical phone interview.
That was the most brutal interview process I can imagine for a posting looking for a BSEE + 3 years experience, MSEE preferred. All the interviews were team technical interviews with 2-3 people and the hiring manager was present at all of those sessions. There was also a VP + director team interview, and I was required to give a technical presentation to 5-6 people on a topic of my choosing.
The presentation went fine, but my decayed skills were painfully evident during the technical interviews. I crammed 6 hours a night for two weeks prior to the onsite, but my review topic choices were slightly off. People want instant results, not potential, and I needed to deliver in those interviews even if my lack of veracity was more a matter of rust than inability.
Presentation is also a killer in interviews, and it begins when your resume hits the recruiter's desk. I am sometimes involved in the interview process at my current workplace, and we regularly reject candidates based on poor written presentation. We recently declined to phone screen a candidate with relevant experience because of multiple egregious spelling and syntax issues in his resume. Our feeling was compounded by the fact he'd spent decades as a sergeant in the military and claimed an English degree with a high GPA. You'd think someone with these experiences would have learned to pay a bit of attention to detail to their quality of presentation.
Also, get a good suit, but don't dare pay MSRP for it! Pass up Macy's or any other department store because their suits are crap. You should be able to find at least one menswear outlet or chain in your area. Big name suits will be available there for firesale prices.
I am fortunate enough to live near a Hickey Freeman outlet, and they regularly carry $1000-1500 MSRP H-F and Hartmarx suits for $250-400 out the door. The staff there will be able to measure you and point you toward a reliable tailor that should also be able to do rush jobs.
That's about all for now. Yes, a lot of these points are probably common sense, and I probably should have realized them about 7 or 8 years ago. Hopefully I've been able to clue in at least one person that was in the fog I was at the end of my undergrad days.
Alright, comment, laugh, flame away...I'm 31, I'm a MAN, I CAN TAKE IT!!!
I originally thought this thread was TMI, but I don't feel like I'm the only one earning far too many MGoPoints.
Was laid off in July, told it would only be to the new fiscal year in October, then till the New Year, now...later. I've applied for over 200 jobs, and had like 6 interviews. But at least one pending. MGoLuck to everyone.
South Park is always funny...
It is not that much more fun, but I guess it does make you more marketable.
graduation is for quitters.
Learned that one the hard way.
Ehhh. MGoPhDClub sounds like an awful time. But I'm sure there are some folks that may disagree.
MGoPhDClub is were it's at! I work from home when I'm not out doing field work. I just got a puppy. I take only what classes I want and get to teach. I get paid a lot relative to the standard of living (in Wyoming...) and I get to take as much time off as I want, as long as I bring my laptop and work on research/writing.
It's like a masters but with more flexibly, more money and no reason to ever leave.
Guess it all depends on your choice of subject as well. Are you at the University of Wyoming?
I'm a recent alum of that group. It does require a certain self motivation to make it through though (i.e. pick a topic you think you'll actually be interested in for the 5-7 years it takes to finish). It's also a decent paying job and universities have great benefit programs typically.
There's plenty of stuff on the web about the financial crisis facing American higher ed - state budgets have plummeted, so colleges are increasingly hiring adjuncts.
I tend to counsel students (teach at MA program in social sciences) NOT to pursue PhDs, given that I know many Ivy League PhDs who never got jobs (to whit: in the nineties when states were flush, not today).
As for the humanities, that's an even tougher nut to crack.
Being a prof is a great job - I wouldn't change it for anything - but it is definitely "nice work if you can get it."
All of this having been said, I continue to think about applying to jobs back in Mich - the Lions seem to be always hiring....
I feel for you guys and you are making me feel better out my situation. My job pays well, i'm in a great city (chicago), and my company is pretty cool. So I have no right to complain but I really want to move back to a2 (hometown) and work for myself even in this shitty economy.
It would be a huge (huge!) risk and my parents would definitely frown upon it but I'm not a big city guy, I hate working behind a desk, and I know that I won't be here long-term anyways so i'm rethinking things big time. Also i'm young and single so if there is a time to do it, it would be now, right?
This is a bit different than the theme of this post, but if anyone has been in a similar position and can offer up some advice, i'm all ears.
First of all, young and single = the best time to do anything. Seriously. I'm in the same boat and I love it.
Many of my friends from U of M bolted to Chicago after we graduated (three years ago). I think it's awesome that you're re-thinking things and where you would be happy.
This is probably going to sound dumb, (and I don't know if you're an M alum) but there's this M alumni magazine that comes out a few times a year. An issue a couple years ago had an article that basically was about good advice for successful people. There's only one part that really stuck with me, and it was basically saying one should (if financially possible) have ~ three months' salary saved up in case something comes up at your job where you are ever asked to do something you don't believe in, have to get out urgently, etc.
I know that's drastically different than trying to relocate and work for yourself, but it's a start anyway. My friend Mike is a young attorney (originally from Troy) who took a sweet job in Chicago after graduating from law school and is now trying desperately to come back to Michigan (he wants to be in Ann Arbor, too.) I could put you in touch with him if you want, he's been thinking about this for several months.
But there is no place like Ann Arbor...
Depends on what you want to do to employee yourself. If you can make do, you can do it. If it's a complete start-up, there may not be a lot of business.
If you've saved up some money, it's a great time to buy a house; they're practically giving them away.
Depending on your age, Chicago's hard to beat for women. There's a point in Ann Arbor if you much older than grad school that you become creepy old guy though.
If you're an undergrad alumnus, it's about 22. They make you feel reallll old, real fast.
So True...reminds me of one of my favorite Grad School Stories. Was on my way to Happy Hour at Rick's for the MBAs and happened to be walking behind a group of undergrad girls.
Girl A: "Where should we go"
Girl B: "How about Rick's"
Girl C: "No...it's Fat, Bald Guy Night".
Well, till you're at least mid-20's, you can hit Main Street...
...for 23 or 24?
I was always on the looks older side, so the only ones that worked with are the ones with daddy issues. Which is a whole other problem....
Do it. Do whatever the hell you want to do. It's your life, and you only get one. I quit the office job and did what I wanted to do and I'll never look back. The only caution I offer is that I believe it's easier to succeed in a big city because networking is a HUGE part of success in most businesses. But if you got the self employment or freelancing bug, do it. I say fuck the desk and be your own boss.
After a year out of college and work it looks like I just got a job near Bloomington, IN. I will use this opportunity to partake in person, Big Ten sports in their full glory (Though I did travel down and see the the surprisingly close '06 Ball State game)
from the UPS hub in Columbus on the 28th so yeah I'm in this club too. It sucks not having a job right now. Especially when it comes with free health care and dental care.
InCircle is a free M alumni job board: http://alumni.umich.edu/networking-tools/social-networking/inCircle
It not only has job postings, but also lists alumni who currently work at the company, so you have a chance to network and ask questions before applying.
Good luck and go blue!
This thread as a whole makes me really, really thankful for this blog.
You guys are awesome. <3
I had to move to Seattle to find a job after getting laid off in October.
I couldn't find anything for project management in SE Michigan, Seattle however, had a million oppertunities to apply for.
The only problem is...I am about 2700 miles further away from The Big House.
it's a great place to be.
I love the area. I managaed to find a decent place to live that didn't drain all my money on Mercer Island and love every bit of it.
Well I'm still studying but my dad recently lost his job after 22 years of work with a British Insurance group in their Asian operations based in Dubai. Anyone looking for someone with 20+ years of experience in Finance or IT roles.. let us know. He seems ok for now... playing golf everyday but dont know how much longer he can handle
My self, I was let go from my job and have not been able to find one for about 3 months. In the end I guess it worked out, I didn't like what I was doing but it was paying the bills and I'm not the type to quit on anyone or anything for that matter.
Two weeks after I was let go I decided to join the Firefighter Academy and I am well on my way to doing something that truly makes me happy. I know it sucks losing/not having a job, stay positive and good things are sure to come your way.
thanks to General Motors and scholarships. Shortly after they offered to buy me out. I figured with the Masters from Michigan I would have no problem getting another job. Oops, I've spent almost twice as much time un/underemployed as I have with a real job. I even applied to the school for jobs I have been overqualified for and got turned downed.
Currently substitute teaching to supplement my unemployment. The teacher I subbed for yesterday had left detailed instructions on the board and had spelled repetition as repitition.
I got out of the Marines to got to college. I was told to do what I love. So, now I have this BA in history (don't act like you're not impressed). Teachers got laid off, and there aren't people knocking down my door for historic research or preservation. I'm SOL...
If anyone has bright ideas, I'm all ears.
Grad school. I have friends in the PhD program for History and they all say you need at least a masters, ideally more to roll in the field these days. History is a very popular major and you need more degrees to stand out.
Michigan at least is good at getting its grad students stipdends, you won't get rich, but you can afford an apartment and beer on itr.
From a fellow history major (with a double in an equally non-useful major), grad school is the way to go. If you really love history, you can go for the PhD, especially if you manage to scrape up funding, but getting a masters in a professional program is not a bad choice either.
I came out with a PoliSci Degree and an engineering degree. I want to work in the political field, but there is nothing going down there. Couldn't even get an interview with freakin Homeland Security.
So I had to fall back on the engineering degree. I'm working for the Hospital system. I figure I can take this for about three years, after that its either grad school or the military.
Anyone need a political aide? I can do math, crunch numbers and I know how to keep my mouth shut when the Justice Department starts nosing around.
If you're considering grad school, with ur background and interesting mix of degrees, u should look into law school and practicing patent law. IP law will always be easier to find a job, particularly hard ip (e.g. patent law).
I'm trying to avoid becoming a lawyer. I'm really interested in human trafficking and crimes like that. Supposedly a good number of Eastern European women are brought in to America via the Detroit and Port Huron border crossings and end up working at strip clubs in Chicago and other cities in the Upper Midwest. I'd love to score a job in that area.
I don't know man, I've never heard of a stripper named 'CRex'.
of the club since june 19th, 2009... i was part of a bundle contract service at GM doing data entry for 3 years. my parent company was great. when they hired me they told me that they had a 3 year contract with GM and hoped to stay as long as possible but if not they'll move on to the next job and take me with them... well then the auto industry took a dump, and GM started cutting their own people. because of that GM started asking the contract workers and the bundle contract services to do more stuff. my company agreed to do more work, but they wanted to get paid for the extra hours that we would have to put in. well GM didn't like that and our GM supervisor went on a head hunting mission to get rid of us. that person found a company that low balled everyone and GM decided to go with them when our contract was up instead of re-upping with the company that was there for 3 years, and had fixed all of their problems in that department. because of the fall of the economy my parent company had no where to place the 4 of us so they had to lay us off.
the best part is my wife and i closed on our house the day after i found out that i was losing my job...since our house was a foreclosure it needed to have some work done, so being out of work gave me the time to do it. but now everything is done for the most part, so i sit here and send out resumes all day to fake job postings on craigs list(who else is having that problem). since june i've had 3 real interviews. but things are looking up. i got $40 a week raise when i got my extension with UE and i might be getting a part time job with a software company, hopefully i hear back from the guy today.
I say that in sympathy, not making fun.
i've sent out over 200 resumes to craigs list postings and about %50 of them are fake... out of the 3 real interveiws i've 2 of them are from craigs list posts. i've also had 2 "fake" interviews from craigs list postings. the reason why i call them fake is because the company said one thing in their post but when you went for the interview the job was completely different.... one was "work for a sports marketing company" it really was to go door to door and try and sell these coupon packages... and the other was for "customer service rep" which really meant you're going to have to call 15,000 customers and find out if there vacums need service, and for every one you bring in to get fixed you get paid....
on the possible part time job... yesterday the guy offered me the job on a trial basis i told him that i had to talk it over with my wife before i agreed... i talked to her and we decided that its a job and its a start... so i emailed him back with a couple of questions and that was around 7:30pm last night. so today i have been waiting for either a phone call or a email with my questions answered and a start date... well it neither ever came. so i went on craigs list to see if there is anything worth emailing a resume for... and what do i see??? oh just the job that i thought was mine reposted at 8:55am with a opening line of "open for immediate hire"... that little fuck couldn't even take the time to just email or call me back and say sorry but i don't think you're right for the job....
Shitty job called me for a phone interview, then emailed me that they had filled the position. THEN the ad popped up on Craigslist again. And it's STILL not filled.
But then, both examples may just be fakes that got too deep.
but with mine, the guy responded to me the day that i emailed him my resume to ask questions... i answered them and then asked some of my own. we exchanged about 4 emails before he setup a phone interview with me. i did the phone interview and he told me at the end of it that he had a few more to do and after that he would contact the ones that he wanted to bring in for in person interviews. the next day i had a email from to setup a in person interview. so i did the interview on monday... it went well, he told me that he had to do a couple more and he would contact the person by the end of the week. i had to go over to the michigan works office to hand in my paper work for my UE extension... and when i got home there was a email from the guy asking for my references.... i emailed him back with 3 of them (my last 2 bosses and my uncle). my last boss called me about 45 mins later to tell me that the guy called him, and i had a message from my uncle in the morning saying that he got a call also. the guy also went as far as to send me these online assessment tests... i was able to do 2 of them but the 3rd wouldn't work on my computer, i told him this and he said that i could come to the office to do it the next day (that would have been tuesday). so i went to his office to do it, but he was have issues getting his computer to connect to the internet.. so we talked some more about the job. i left his office at 2:30pm thinking that i had the job, at 4:30pm he calls me back and tells me that he is going to offer me the job on a trial basis and so on (the rest has already been explained)... i'm not overly pissed that i didn't get the job, because i've been turned down before. i'm more pissed about how he went about it.
That one goes back to the fake newspaper ad days.
I find myself going through Craigslist just to make the fake ones as spam, I've gotten so good at picking them out. What the fuck, I've got the time.
them back nasty emails now... as soon as i see a link for a "free credit report" i hit reply...
Graduated from WMU with Manufacturing Engineering and straight from college went to a GM supplier...GM scraped the line it August and I have been dating Marvin ever since.
were you working on??? and doesn't marvin has such a wonderful voice....
It was the GM Medium Duty line...the 560 line (Top Kicks)...We manufactured all the Frames for the Chasis in Flint.
the good old GMT 560... i had that program up until the end of my days a GM. what a pain in the ass when they started screwing with "up time" and "down time" at that plant. i never knew if they working or not because GM kept changing the weeks they were down....
To the both of you: do Marvin online. It is sooooo much easier. You can certify for your pay any day of the week, and any time of the day as long as it is between the hours of 7a-7p instead of going through that bullshit of calling in during a certain time on a certain day only to get the oh so pleasant "all circuits are busy, goodbye" crap. Today marks the one year anniversary of being with Marvin, and I want a divorce. Easier said than done unfortunately. On the bright side, I get to devote more time to my schooling, and my 4 yr old son and 3 yr old daughter. Can't help but feel like a total pansy because the missus is the breadwinner with great benefits, but she constantly tells me what I do around the house is greatly appreciated which makes me feel somewhat better. As bad as I wish that everybody here finds gainful employment, I do feel a little better knowing that I'm not alone out there. Here's to good times ahead for all.
After my layoff from the newspaper in October, I found a job with the rival paper as a freelance writer. I make my own hours and what, but I would still like to have a full-time job with benefits. I need to find something else, but there is nothing.
I always wondered if you really were a crime reporter. Stay positive--something will work out!
Thanks for the positive words. I'm trying. Some days are better than others. That is why I love this blog so much. I enjoy talking with you guys and the support given when needed.
My best friend Jason's first love has always been newspapers. We were Michigan Daily geeks and he was EPE and then EIC. After we graduated in '06, he flew to California, rented a car and drove around looking for a reporting gig. He got a job at the San Bernardino Sun as a Metro Reporter.
He loved it, but the resources weren't there for him to be able to do the stories that needed to be done. He chased fires and went to crime scenes, etc. (He even had a fire suit in his car which we still tease him about!)
By '08, he saw cut after cut and people who had been there much longer than he was were being laid off. He panicked, applied to law schools and is now back at U of M in law school.
Michigan Law is incredible and a tremendous accomplishment, but he finally admitted he's doing this because he longs for security (financial and otherwise.) I tell Jason all the time how much it bothers me that he's doing this law school thing, because newspapers will always be his first love. I feel like he sold out, but he tells me he just grew up.
My gut feeling is that he still will end up working at the NYT at some point, because no amount of money is worth being away from your first love.
Anyway,I think it's awesome that you're still doing what you love. Continue to do what you love and the rest will fall into place, I promise. <3
I appreciate it. I have been in the newspaper business since I was 16. Unfortunately, a lot has changed in the 11 years since my first internship. The place I was just cut from has undergone round after round of layoffs since I started there in 2007.
It was demoralizing, to say the least, to see people you respected, get let go because they made too much. It bothered me because the paper was getting rid of all its leadership and replacing it with yes men. I didn't really chase ambulances, as that's not my thing. I find my approach worked much better for getting people to talk with me.
The paper I'm at now is owned by the New York Times, which is pretty cool. I don't know how long it will last, though, as the industry is in shambles. It sucks, because this is what I know and love.
I can't imagine how difficult it must be, and I commend your bravery for continuing on. Isn't there a quote about how nothing worth having comes easily?
Are you in Michigan? Have you ever spoken with Phil Power? He is a really great resource. Jason (my newspaper--> law school best friend) knows a lot of people in the industry and may be able to help put you in contact with other people who could help. If you're interested in getting in contact with Jason, shoot me an e-mail ([email protected]), even if you're not in Michigan.
I love this blog because I think we all can help each other in some real way. <3
I took a job in Florida in 2007 to be closer to my family. They retired and moved here several years earlier. The experience was not a waste, as I did some interesting stories and hone my skills, but it be nice to have some security. I will e-mail you soon. Thanks.
...that at this point your friend should pursue Michigan Law to the fullest extent. If he focuses on something like bankruptcy law he will be able to find steady work for several years in the near future. In today's world I think people are better off finding the steadiest work possible to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads.
However, your friend should be able to structure his law practice in such a fashion that it would allow him to write for a paper in his locale a few nights a week. I say this because one of my best friends from HS is a full-time teacher, but he spends a few nights a week working the sports desk for the local paper to fulfill his passion for covering sports.
. . . MBA, LSA at Michigan. Years of experience in project management, marketing, electronic publishing.
I just got this email (NOT spam, from the U of M SNRE mailing list) if anyone is a minority considering an MBA program:
Subject: Fwd: [SAIGE] Scholarship Opportunity for MBA program in North Carolina
FREE MASTERS PROGRAM AT WAKE FOREST RECEIVES POOR RESPONSE
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See details below. The contact person information is:
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Room 3139 Worrell Professional Center
Babcock Graduate School of Management
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Forest Drive Winston-Salem , NC 27109-8758
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The Corporate Fellowship provides full tuition and a $21,000 stipend to cover living expenses. Additionally, each Corporate Fellow will participate in a practicum. The practicum has two components, educational and professional development. Each student will be assigned a mentor that is a high level executive with their sponsor corporation. The mentor will oversee an educational project covering 4 of the functional areas of business using their own corporation as the subject.
The student will visit the corporation 3 - 4 times during the program to present his/her results of their research project. Additionally, the "professional development" component of the fellowship provides career coaching and leadership development for the students.
The goal for the corporation is to be able to groom and hopefully, hire a top candidate from a diverse background for their organization. Of course, there is no obligation that the students accept any offer of employment. Still, the student benefits, even if they are not ultimately hired by their sponsor corporation in that they have the MA degree and the type of experience that will make them more marketable.
I graduated in December 08 from U of M. I had a job lined up at a biomedical company that fell through because of the economy. I searched for 3 months, applied to about 400 jobs, and had a couple interviews. I stopped looking, and about 3 months later, I got a phone call from someone who found my resume on monster. Now I work in the back woods of South Carolina.
My advice to job searchers who are flexible is to apply to jobs nobody wants to live. I got most of my interviews from small towns. I applied to jobs in middle of nowhere Kansas, Wyoming, Nebraska, and other places. I usually heard back within 2 weeks from applying. Applying to metropolitan areas like Los Angeles, New York, and Chicago may be a lost cause for new grads.
Good luck for all you MGoUnemployed club members.
Housing rates have collapsed so much that you need a job that's willing to pay moving expenses, and most small town companies aren't able to pay off mortgages. I mean, you're talking houses that are maybe worth 50-75% of what you paid for them. That's a hell of a buy out to change jobs.
And didn't you save enough money from your time with the Raiders to get by?
...I rent. This is totally my opinion, but in this day and age I would rather have the flexibility to move to where the work is, and it's much cheaper for a company to buy out a lease versus a mortgage.
I've been steadily employed for the past ten years, and still am, the problem is my income has fallen off a damn cliff in the last year. I'm finding myself in an increasingly untenable position, mounting bills, and a very uncertain future.
Here's hoping Michigan turns around soon.
I've gotten pay a big pay cut the last time I had to switch position (we're talking 5 digits here), and everything I'm applying for seems to be going down around the same amount. Everything cost more, but salaries are going down.
I feel your pain. Big paycuts suck, especially when you're used to being comfortable, and your expenses reflect that. The expenses can be very tough to cut. Lesson learned; live below your means.
Damn double posts.
First post but long time reader. This place has helped keep me sane during my unemployment.
Been unemployed for a year now. Had a management position with a building products company for the last 8 years. I got the job right out of high school and progressed up the company and then the housing market took a dump. Took my severance and doubled up on class-load to finish my degree ASAP.
Graduated in August 09 with a BBA and a near perfect GPA but have received only 1 call for an interview. Thats just half the battle though. Its usually 1-3 weeks between finding a job posting worth applying for.
Gotta love all of those insurance company sales positions ....no thanks!