That's good advice, sir.
here's one vote for "John Beilein's head in a Futurama jar"
That's good advice, sir.
Not-so-proud member right here.
Seems like an LSA degree from our esteemed University really isn't so useful after all. :\
Unless you want to work at the mall. Or go to grad school.
Working on the latter.
History of music?
well... that depends.. LSA degree got me to med school..
Navy pays for all my shit now, but they own my ass for 5 years after I'm done.. plus an extra 4 years if I want to retire and get a pension.. might as well, since by the time I'm done studying I'll have 11 years of service + the 5 I owe them.. only need 20 total to get a pension at the age of 42..
Count me in for the MGoUnderemployed club.
Hopefully degree #2 fixes that, when I get it.
They kill hookers around here
As of today, I'm now funemployed. Well, heck, lets enjoy this. Anyone interested in traveling to East/South East Asia in late February or early March? Perhaps some back packing? It would be a great way to do something interesting in the long off season.
This topic makes me feel a little better about being unemployed. At least I'm not the only one...
You're not the same as kraMAB are you?
Finished up my BA from UM last May, been busting my ass to find something, anything. Double-majored in SAC (film), so I'm hoping to take advantage of the emerging film industry here in Michigan in some way.
I just spent the last four months in LA trying to find something, but if you can believe it, the entertainment industry is even harder to enter now. There are no jobs in LA; the fifty-ish veteran costumer I shared a place with couldn't even find work. He's off working on a television show shooting in Atlanta at the moment.
Just trying to find work and an apartment in Ann Arbor for now, maybe save up some money before I try the move in more prosperous times. Let me know if you're looking for a good roommate!
So yes, count me in. Good luck to us all.
...in that I've managed to stay continuously employed for the past 8 years or so. I finished my BSEE in summer '01, but I did not find a position until late fall '01. The economy wasn't great then, but it was nothing like what we're seeing now.
Most people on this board have probably figured out the points I am about to post, but I thought I'd share a few hard truths I've learned in case there is anyone out there that might benefit from a little external prompting.
If you're just starting out, or still have enough courses left to affect your GPA do everything you can to raise your average. Your GPA will directly influence your starting salary and the number of opportunities available to you. Also be aware that people will latch onto your GPA a decade after graduation as an easy way of summarizing you as a candidate. Yes it sucks, but that's the world we live in today. This lesson also applies to kids in HS headed for college in terms of acceptances and financial aid.
One thing that I'd advise, particularly if you hold a technical degree and plan on working in your field, is finding some way, any way to keep your skills sharp in the interim.
I say this because I don't seem to have absorbed everything presented in undergrad as deeply as I ought, and I noticed that my skills had faded appreciably in the six months between graduation and landing a job. I feel as though that initial decay has hurt my career somewhat.
Getting stuck in a position that involves more bureaucratic wrangling and red tape hasn't helped keep me sharp either. On the other hand there really aren't a lot of companies doing deep R&D these days. You may be better off staying in academia if this is what you're dead set on doing.
I tried to escape my current position a few months ago by interviewing for a position out West. I was actually shocked to get the onsite because I felt I seriously mangled the technical phone interview.
That was the most brutal interview process I can imagine for a posting looking for a BSEE + 3 years experience, MSEE preferred. All the interviews were team technical interviews with 2-3 people and the hiring manager was present at all of those sessions. There was also a VP + director team interview, and I was required to give a technical presentation to 5-6 people on a topic of my choosing.
The presentation went fine, but my decayed skills were painfully evident during the technical interviews. I crammed 6 hours a night for two weeks prior to the onsite, but my review topic choices were slightly off. People want instant results, not potential, and I needed to deliver in those interviews even if my lack of veracity was more a matter of rust than inability.
Presentation is also a killer in interviews, and it begins when your resume hits the recruiter's desk. I am sometimes involved in the interview process at my current workplace, and we regularly reject candidates based on poor written presentation. We recently declined to phone screen a candidate with relevant experience because of multiple egregious spelling and syntax issues in his resume. Our feeling was compounded by the fact he'd spent decades as a sergeant in the military and claimed an English degree with a high GPA. You'd think someone with these experiences would have learned to pay a bit of attention to detail to their quality of presentation.
Also, get a good suit, but don't dare pay MSRP for it! Pass up Macy's or any other department store because their suits are crap. You should be able to find at least one menswear outlet or chain in your area. Big name suits will be available there for firesale prices.
I am fortunate enough to live near a Hickey Freeman outlet, and they regularly carry $1000-1500 MSRP H-F and Hartmarx suits for $250-400 out the door. The staff there will be able to measure you and point you toward a reliable tailor that should also be able to do rush jobs.
That's about all for now. Yes, a lot of these points are probably common sense, and I probably should have realized them about 7 or 8 years ago. Hopefully I've been able to clue in at least one person that was in the fog I was at the end of my undergrad days.
Alright, comment, laugh, flame away...I'm 31, I'm a MAN, I CAN TAKE IT!!!
I'm a man, I'm 40.
I originally thought this thread was TMI, but I don't feel like I'm the only one earning far too many MGoPoints.
Was laid off in July, told it would only be to the new fiscal year in October, then till the New Year, now...later. I've applied for over 200 jobs, and had like 6 interviews. But at least one pending. MGoLuck to everyone.
South Park is always funny...
It is not that much more fun, but I guess it does make you more marketable.
graduation is for quitters.
Learned that one the hard way.
Ehhh. MGoPhDClub sounds like an awful time. But I'm sure there are some folks that may disagree.
MGoPhDClub is were it's at! I work from home when I'm not out doing field work. I just got a puppy. I take only what classes I want and get to teach. I get paid a lot relative to the standard of living (in Wyoming...) and I get to take as much time off as I want, as long as I bring my laptop and work on research/writing.
It's like a masters but with more flexibly, more money and no reason to ever leave.
Guess it all depends on your choice of subject as well. Are you at the University of Wyoming?
I'm a recent alum of that group. It does require a certain self motivation to make it through though (i.e. pick a topic you think you'll actually be interested in for the 5-7 years it takes to finish). It's also a decent paying job and universities have great benefit programs typically.
There's plenty of stuff on the web about the financial crisis facing American higher ed - state budgets have plummeted, so colleges are increasingly hiring adjuncts.
I tend to counsel students (teach at MA program in social sciences) NOT to pursue PhDs, given that I know many Ivy League PhDs who never got jobs (to whit: in the nineties when states were flush, not today).
As for the humanities, that's an even tougher nut to crack.
Being a prof is a great job - I wouldn't change it for anything - but it is definitely "nice work if you can get it."
All of this having been said, I continue to think about applying to jobs back in Mich - the Lions seem to be always hiring....
I have recently joined this particular club. Hopefully the current economic mess is straightened out within three years.
I feel for you guys and you are making me feel better out my situation. My job pays well, i'm in a great city (chicago), and my company is pretty cool. So I have no right to complain but I really want to move back to a2 (hometown) and work for myself even in this shitty economy.
It would be a huge (huge!) risk and my parents would definitely frown upon it but I'm not a big city guy, I hate working behind a desk, and I know that I won't be here long-term anyways so i'm rethinking things big time. Also i'm young and single so if there is a time to do it, it would be now, right?
This is a bit different than the theme of this post, but if anyone has been in a similar position and can offer up some advice, i'm all ears.
First of all, young and single = the best time to do anything. Seriously. I'm in the same boat and I love it.
Many of my friends from U of M bolted to Chicago after we graduated (three years ago). I think it's awesome that you're re-thinking things and where you would be happy.
This is probably going to sound dumb, (and I don't know if you're an M alum) but there's this M alumni magazine that comes out a few times a year. An issue a couple years ago had an article that basically was about good advice for successful people. There's only one part that really stuck with me, and it was basically saying one should (if financially possible) have ~ three months' salary saved up in case something comes up at your job where you are ever asked to do something you don't believe in, have to get out urgently, etc.
I know that's drastically different than trying to relocate and work for yourself, but it's a start anyway. My friend Mike is a young attorney (originally from Troy) who took a sweet job in Chicago after graduating from law school and is now trying desperately to come back to Michigan (he wants to be in Ann Arbor, too.) I could put you in touch with him if you want, he's been thinking about this for several months.
But there is no place like Ann Arbor...
Depends on what you want to do to employee yourself. If you can make do, you can do it. If it's a complete start-up, there may not be a lot of business.
If you've saved up some money, it's a great time to buy a house; they're practically giving them away.
Depending on your age, Chicago's hard to beat for women. There's a point in Ann Arbor if you much older than grad school that you become creepy old guy though.
If you're an undergrad alumnus, it's about 22. They make you feel reallll old, real fast.
So True...reminds me of one of my favorite Grad School Stories. Was on my way to Happy Hour at Rick's for the MBAs and happened to be walking behind a group of undergrad girls.
Girl A: "Where should we go"
Girl B: "How about Rick's"
Girl C: "No...it's Fat, Bald Guy Night".
Well, till you're at least mid-20's, you can hit Main Street...
...for 23 or 24?
I was always on the looks older side, so the only ones that worked with are the ones with daddy issues. Which is a whole other problem....
Do it. Do whatever the hell you want to do. It's your life, and you only get one. I quit the office job and did what I wanted to do and I'll never look back. The only caution I offer is that I believe it's easier to succeed in a big city because networking is a HUGE part of success in most businesses. But if you got the self employment or freelancing bug, do it. I say fuck the desk and be your own boss.
After a year out of college and work it looks like I just got a job near Bloomington, IN. I will use this opportunity to partake in person, Big Ten sports in their full glory (Though I did travel down and see the the surprisingly close '06 Ball State game)
from the UPS hub in Columbus on the 28th so yeah I'm in this club too. It sucks not having a job right now. Especially when it comes with free health care and dental care.
InCircle is a free M alumni job board: http://alumni.umich.edu/networking-tools/social-networking/inCircle
It not only has job postings, but also lists alumni who currently work at the company, so you have a chance to network and ask questions before applying.
Good luck and go blue!
This thread as a whole makes me really, really thankful for this blog.
You guys are awesome. <3
I had to move to Seattle to find a job after getting laid off in October.
I couldn't find anything for project management in SE Michigan, Seattle however, had a million oppertunities to apply for.
The only problem is...I am about 2700 miles further away from The Big House.
it's a great place to be.
I love the area. I managaed to find a decent place to live that didn't drain all my money on Mercer Island and love every bit of it.
Well I'm still studying but my dad recently lost his job after 22 years of work with a British Insurance group in their Asian operations based in Dubai. Anyone looking for someone with 20+ years of experience in Finance or IT roles.. let us know. He seems ok for now... playing golf everyday but dont know how much longer he can handle
My self, I was let go from my job and have not been able to find one for about 3 months. In the end I guess it worked out, I didn't like what I was doing but it was paying the bills and I'm not the type to quit on anyone or anything for that matter.
Two weeks after I was let go I decided to join the Firefighter Academy and I am well on my way to doing something that truly makes me happy. I know it sucks losing/not having a job, stay positive and good things are sure to come your way.
thanks to General Motors and scholarships. Shortly after they offered to buy me out. I figured with the Masters from Michigan I would have no problem getting another job. Oops, I've spent almost twice as much time un/underemployed as I have with a real job. I even applied to the school for jobs I have been overqualified for and got turned downed.
Currently substitute teaching to supplement my unemployment. The teacher I subbed for yesterday had left detailed instructions on the board and had spelled repetition as repitition.
I got out of the Marines to got to college. I was told to do what I love. So, now I have this BA in history (don't act like you're not impressed). Teachers got laid off, and there aren't people knocking down my door for historic research or preservation. I'm SOL...
If anyone has bright ideas, I'm all ears.
Grad school. I have friends in the PhD program for History and they all say you need at least a masters, ideally more to roll in the field these days. History is a very popular major and you need more degrees to stand out.
Michigan at least is good at getting its grad students stipdends, you won't get rich, but you can afford an apartment and beer on itr.
From a fellow history major (with a double in an equally non-useful major), grad school is the way to go. If you really love history, you can go for the PhD, especially if you manage to scrape up funding, but getting a masters in a professional program is not a bad choice either.
I came out with a PoliSci Degree and an engineering degree. I want to work in the political field, but there is nothing going down there. Couldn't even get an interview with freakin Homeland Security.
So I had to fall back on the engineering degree. I'm working for the Hospital system. I figure I can take this for about three years, after that its either grad school or the military.
Anyone need a political aide? I can do math, crunch numbers and I know how to keep my mouth shut when the Justice Department starts nosing around.
If you're considering grad school, with ur background and interesting mix of degrees, u should look into law school and practicing patent law. IP law will always be easier to find a job, particularly hard ip (e.g. patent law).