Not surprising, but there it is:
OT - McGwire Admits Steroid Use
I am shocked, he didn't look like the steriod type, did he hit many home runs?
your comment is so steriotypical. just because some guy has big arms does not mean he is on steriods. perhaps he just lifts a lot while listening to thrash metal on his sterio!
One time my dad met him at a starbucks and he was a huge ass. All my dad said was, I wish my kids could have been here to see you.
.....the sky is often blue.
Probably just knew that now that he's working in baseball again he's going to get overrun with questions about it so might as well get it out of the way now.
...McGwire never denied it, he just wouldn't talk about his own use/or not use when he testified in front of Congress. Essentially pled the fifth and thats why he took so much heat.
This line from his admission/apology is pretty great:
Looking back, I wish I had never played during the steroid era.
Yes, it was the ERA'S fault you used steroids. It was simply out of your control.
McGwire really kicked the shit out of some E.R.A.'s... all around it was an abusive relationship fueled by country music and good ol' six pack of HGH in the buttocks.
Grass is green and the sky is blue.
Then what the hell is that "Kentucky Blue Grass" that I paid so much extra for?
I at least respect him for coming all the way clean. Most people either all out deny or lie and say they took it but they didn't know what it was when they took it. You have to at least give him credit for not having some BS when he finally did admit it.
I think it's great he came clean but I think the apology rings a little hallow when it is issued because you are about to take a position with a MLB team. I am sure the Cardinals told him it needed to be done as a condition of taking the hitting coach position. If he just continues to enjoy a quiet retirement I don't think this ever happens.
I do not care at all about which guys used steroids, it's their health, not mine. But, are we really going to credt McGwire here? It took him ten years to admit it, he plead the 5th when given the oppurtunity to admit it in front of Congress, and it seems that he probably only admitted it to help his HOF chances or because of his new coaching career.
... this coming right on the heels of a poor showing on the HOF ballot doesn't seem like coincedence.
I don't think whether or not he did 'roids is really any of our business, and I don't think it should keep him out of the HOF. Besides, it is and always was rather obvious. I never saw it as cheating, but the self-righteous media took the ball and ran with it.
McGwire played in an era where pitchers suddenly had 5-7 extra mph on their pitches. Batters really had to do 'roids to keep from getting killed out there. I'm tired of steroids being the source of every problem in the world. That is changing now, though. By this time next year, "abusive coaches" will be the cause of all the world's problems.
he plead the 5th when given the oppurtunity to admit it in front of Congress
FWIW I don't really think we should hold this against him that much. Under oath in front of Congress isn't the best place to admit to a federal crime.
Fair enough, but he did spend a decade refusing to admit what was blindingly obvious. I don't think any less of him for that, but I'm not giving him credit for admitting it now.
Guy wants to talk about the past...a month before the season...in January...via a press release (not a press conference)...after having his statement vetted by the commissioners office and the Cardinals.
That's an upfront and sincere confession if I ever saw one.
Also, when does Roger Maris get his damn record back?
You've hit my sore spot with the baseball HOF. That Roger Maris isn't in the Hall is a complete travesty. If they were honest, the powers-that-be would rename it the Hall of Lifetime Statistics, because if it were truly a "Hall of Fame" Maris would have been voted in decades ago. For several years not only was he one of the most famous men in baseball, he was one of the most famous athletes in the entire fucking world. I was only a kid in 1961, but I was old enough to realize that the attention and media craziness following Maris (and Mantle) during their chase of Ruth's record was unprecedented at the time.
One hidden reason Maris has never gotten within sniffing distance of the HOF is that he was very sportswriter-unfriendly, and hell hath no fury like a sportswriter who doesn't have his ass kissed by a star he's covering.
End of old geezer rant.
It is completely wrong that McGwire got votes this year and Maris is out. His contribution to the game outweighs any amount of reporter ego stroking he failed to do. This said, is there any more of a self-righteous group of a-holes than the baseball writers of America?
is there any more of a self-righteous group of a-holes than the baseball writers of America?
The chimpanzees at the FreeP?
He's not in the HoF? How is that possible?
I'm a casual baseball fan. Very casual, to the point where I know very little about the olde timey days. But one thing I do know is that Maris had the home run record until McGwire got his hands on the good stuff.
So, that is a good point. It shouldn't be called the Hall of Fame.
that is so disappointing, is that the biggest names in the game(pujols asides) are getting popped. A-rod, Manny, Ortiz, McGqire, Clemens, Canseco, Sosa, let's just add Barry to this list. It's a terrible look on the game. I'm a diehard Tigers fan, but the folks I talk to that defend the game itself try to say that football players just aren't caught. I'm sure players are using, but it takes a whole lot more than just swinging a bat. Baseball requires timing, football requires timing, patience, poise, the ability to read a coverage or a qb, so on.......
The majority of athletes in all sports are using various permutations of EPO and HGH these days - basketball, football, track, soccer, tennis and even golf. Very few sporting bodies (NBA, FIFA, ATP, USOC) want to know what their athletes are on and fewer have the means or sophistication to detect half the stuff out there.
And one sport which is now trying to define itself as "clean" -- pro cycling -- is only getting dragged through the muck every time they make headway by discovering and disqualifying cheaters.
The organizers of pro cycling are trying to come up with sophisticated new methods for eliminating doping but all it really seems to do for them is ensure that forefront in peoples' minds when they think of cycling is doping. Baseball is trying to avoid this type of ordeal but they are choosing the wrong path.
I still think that all of the admitted (or blatantly obvious) steroid users - I'm looking at you Clemens and Bonds - belong in the Hall of Fame. I would add McGwire, A-Rod, Manny, and Sosa too. I also think that many pitchers were on steroids too, as were many other hitters that they were competing with for all these records. Anyone who watched baseball knows what happened during the 90s and early 2000s. When we take our kids to the Cooperstown, we can explain to them all about these players during the "Steroid Era." I will always defend that these numbers should stay in the record book, and these players should make the Hall of Fame. Its up to the writers though, and it doesn't seem like McGwire will ever make it, although I'm now curious if people will "soften up" because he admitted it.
that he used them. If you look at photos of him you can see the abnormality in his arms they are way too bulgy and veiny and look bigger than his previous year. It was only a matter of time before he finally came clean.
Rick Majerus is going to have a press release admitting to shitting in a towel in front of his team.
What? Did this happen?
Edit: Some think so I guess. If any of this is true Majerus is a complete ass.
This is the biggest story in the "Tell me something I didn't know" department since that one WNBA player admitted to being a lesbian.
...that we get a real-life example of:
LaRussa again repeats, "I believe in Mark" to reporters. Everyone is confused as to hat this means.
Mark McGwire kidnapped the St Louis Police Commissioner's family and was holding them hostage until Barry Bonds showed up, saved the lot of them and took the blame? Is Mark McGwire Major League Baseball's White Knight?
I was browsing the page waiting for someone to bring up Bonds.
I'm sure he'll wait a few more years, write a book about taking steroids, and the MGoCommunity will be SHOCKED!!!
Yes, because Bonds clearly has a lot of fans on this message board right now.
how is your comment at all related to mine?
i was simply hinting that maybe it's Barry's turn to come clean.
couldn't smell the sarcasm? my fault... i guess
And it's officially safe to use his '85 Topps rookie card as a coaster.
" McGwire told Costas. "I preferred the orals..... so that's how Costas got McGwire to confess.
Funny how everyone forgot that McGwire had Andro (I don't know how to spell it ... forgive me juicers) in his locker during that home run chase year. The reporter was beaten up by MLB and his fellow media members when he reported this, and it was all glossed over because dickhead Mark was being nicey-nice with the media for that one year (if Sammy wouldn't have been so media saavy, Marky would have remained his dicklike self).
All of this pisses me off because these jackasses inflated the stats and now people like Alan Trammell and Lou Whitaker can't get in the hall because they didn't hit 9 million bombs. A travesty.
At the time Andro was sold over the counter. It was considered just a "supplement".