OT: Matthew Stafford supposedly a Lion through 2017
It's a Lion trough 2017. Much more high tech.
Should be awesome to have that guy playing QB for the Detroit Lions
Guys, please give me a break, because a) English is not my native tongue and b) I was in a hurry to start the thread :-)
No worries, I didn't downvote you or anything. I was too excited to search for "lion trough" to bother.
What is your native tongue?
A variation of German called Alemannic. I'm not German and also don't live in Germany.
but the Lions will stink until the Fords go away.
The Detroit Lions are William Clay's payback for UAW's!
This is actually 2nd tier quarterback money. This deal earns him 15.6 mil through the remainder of his contract, where the top 10 qb's are now signing deals worth 20+ mil.
Clears immediate cap space though, and is the closest thing the Lions have to a franchise qb in god knows how many years.
Well that makes sense since Stafford is a second tier quarterback.
How many QB's in NFL history can say they've thrown for over 10k yards in 2 seasons? Hint, not many. Also, Stafford through for 5000 yards at the age of 23! Are you fucking kidding me!?!
Would he be that good? No. Is he that good now? Still no
Can we then take the best offensive weapons away from the best QB's in the league and see where they are? Also, Stafford has had no where near the offensive line some of the other great QB's have/ Also, Calvin put up no where near the numbers he has now when someone other than Stafford was throwing him the ball.
I think the patriots have played this game to at least some success over the past ten years. But, that is just one quarterback
Put Tom Brady or Peyton Manning on the Cleveland Browns and see what happens.
Would you really put Stafford in the same class of quarterback as Brady, Brees, and Rodgers? If not, he is indeed second-tier. He has oodles of talent as a passer, but he is merely a good (not great) quarterback.
Stafford has led the NFL in pass attempts each of the last two years. Last year he threw 727 passes, a NFL record. However, he only averaged 6.8 yards per pass, which was 20th in the league and behind such luminaries as Jake Locker, Carson Palmer, and Josh Freeman (none of whom have a weapon like Calvin Johnson). Stafford puts up high yardage totals because he does nothing but throw, not because his throws are unusually productive.
Stafford's stats are a function of a pass heavy offense with a dynamic receiver and a league with rules that encourage passing. Last year, a record 11 QBs had over 4k yards; the year before it was 10:
5,000 yards? Was only done once before before 2008 and has happened 5 times since:
Stafford has the potential to be a great QB and it's been that way since high school. For all his ability, it hasn't really translated to winning games.
Yea but Stafford has had zero run game or offensive line. So if were playing what ifs then you have to consider that. I guess we should find out this year with Bush and a somwhat improved Oline.
Mathew is the best QB Detroit has had in my lifetime. I am 53 years old!
I am astonished Joey Harrington didnt get this kind of money
Not to take any blame away from Orlovsky, but looking at that play I just realized: what idiot** called a five-step drop from a shotgun snap with the ball on the one-inch line? If Orlovsky was any taller he'd have stepped out just with his plant foot.
**This is probably why Purdue was such a shit football team under Jim Colletto.
Wasn't that a Mike Martz year? That Idiot would be Martz, wouldn't it? He loved him some five step drops.
I can't stand when you guys beat on Danny...he was on my high school team. Great kid, unfortunately this play will haunt him.
We will always have 1995.
Bring back Mike McMahon...Rutgers finest
How could you forget Ole Rusty?
They beat the Bills by a fg in the last game of the year because Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas didn't play. Buffalo probably would've had their elusive Lombardi trophy had they played the Leos in the big game. As good as '91 was, the Redskins beat the Lions in the first game and the last game by a combined score of 86-10. Yikes!
I can forgive you for missing that in case your turned off the Turkey Day game in the 2nd quarter that year.
The QB for the Bears that holds the career passing yards record as well as the highest single season Quarterback rating is a man who retired from professional football in 1950.
Also, one of the QBs on your list for Detroit holds two single season records for the Bears: most passing yards and most passing touchdowns (Erik Kramer)
and drew stanton
-he went to my highschool
--my coolstorybro story for the day
My goal in the next 5-10 years is to accumulate as many Lions starting QB jerseys - complete with names - to hang in my man cave. I think it will be a huge conversation starter and a constant reminder my painful life as a Lions fan. I need to go back further than you, though, on the QB list. I'll also include Greg Landry and Jeff Komlo.
I absolutely love this!
Make sure you don't forget Gus Ferrotte
Your mancave must be enormous.
I always chuckle to myself when I see "Chuck Long"
There is no doubt in my mind that the Detroit Lions will win the Super Bowl in 2014.
Does it concern anyone else he is 1-22 against teams that finished the season with winning records.
Of course it does. He shares some blame but the vast majority goes elsewhere.
Well what has the Lions record been against winning teams before Stafford was there? How about against any teams with a winning record in the last 20 years? Probably not much better
However, there are quite a few posters that seem to believe he is a "top tier" QB. I dont think many Lions fans in the last 20 years would try to make that claim about any previous QB's.
Well, even a top tier QB can't do much with a bottom tier OL
Sure, but let's give him an offensive line, running back, and defensive secondary before blaming him for that.
So Aaron Rodgers has been sacked more times then anyone in the past 3 seasons. Also with one of the worst running games in the league, and a secondary that gave up more yards then anyone, ever. How do you explain that?
Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, James Jones, Jermichael Finley, Randall Cobb >>>>>>>>> Lions WRs not counting Megatron.
When you have Durham, Robiskie, Osgood, Scheffler and to name a few scrubs as your WRs for most of the season, yikes.
I don't see what I'm supposed to explain. See my comment above: I don't think Stafford is a great quarterback, whereas Rodgers is. In that same vein, you can't expect Stafford to single-handedly carry the Lions when he only has one (admittedly all-time-great caliber) tool. He is not, was not, and will never be that sort of quarterback.
what else would you expect?
I cant imagine Calvin Johnson or Ndamukong Suh having a much better win percentage. At this point, there are only a handful of QB's that I would trade Stafford for if we are looking to be set at QB for the next 10 years.
hes 17-28 overall so that 1-22 record against teams that finished with a winning record is 16-6 against teams with a losing record, which seeing as how we went 0-16 the year before he was drafted. so stafford beating the bad teams and losing to the good ones is fine by me, the team is the most competitive it has been in years.
The Lions can keep Stafford and Megatron around all they want. Until the day comes when the Fords no longer own the team, the Lions will be mired down in mediocrity.
Hopefully Staffy has been drinking his milk like a big boy, his injuries scare me.
The injury concerns have faded somewhat.
I know this is gonna sound crazy, and it feels crazy to type, but I think the lions are headed in an upward direction. Last year feels like an aberation to me and I feel like the front office learned a lesson from last year and resting on laurels...
two years ago: get easy schedule, win a lot
one year ago: get hard schedule based on # of wins, lose a lot but by not much
this year: receive easy schedule due to # of wins
I don't recall where I saw it, but there was a breakdown of the Lions' season last year compared to their point differential, and they under-performed their point differential (outscored by a total of 51 points) by 2.6 wins, meaning they really should've won ~7 games. Last year was an aberration, and historically a team that underperforms their point differential that significantly tends to rebound significantly the next year. If the Lions lose more than 9 games this year, it's a serious issue, and they need to make significant changes at the top.
Sporting News goes into their interpretation of the mechanics of the deal here - LINK. They do, of course, mention the practical reason for doing this right now.
"They needed to get this extension done for salary-cap purposes, first and foremost — Stafford was set to cost $20.8 million against the cap in 2013 and nearly $20 million in 2014. But the Lions also believe in Stafford’s abilities wholeheartedly, and they’ve hesitated little to show that, be it on the field or at the negotiating table."
I would think that it makes sense for the Lions to do this now because of what they might have been having to pay or match down the road as well as because of the cap charges. They wrapped up Johnson last year, I believe, with a nice long deal and if they are going to do something (or at least mount an attempt) in the next few years, keeping the centerpieces of any such effort is a good call.
Personally im not a Lions fans and I do like Matt although I do feel like he just looks toward Calvin and just stays on whatever side he is on.
when you have Kris Durham, Mike Thomas, Tony Scheffler(a TE who is basically a defacto a WR), Kassim Osgood(a special team ace but not much of a WR otherwise), and Brian Robiskie as your recievers at mid season?? There's no wonder that Stafford is looking at Megatron every single time when they lost Burleson, Pettigrew and Broyles (Plus Titus Young who went full on mental)?
I expect Stafford to be much better with an addition of Bush who will play in a Jahvid Best role that Lions offense desperately needed plus with Burleson, Pettigrew and Broyles getting healthy for next season.
Do you want him to not throw at calvin? Calvin is our best OW so he gets targeted a lot, way more last year with the injuries but pettigrew still had like 60 catches, joique bell had a ton too from all those checkdowns at the end of games.
Signed Megatron to a massive comtract in 2012, signed Stafford to one in 2013, will Suh be next in 2014? I'm not sure Suh is worth 15 mil per year with his current level of production (or lack thereof)
By 2017 his right arm will have already fallen off. Let's keep having him throw 55 times a game, such a smart coaching move.