Glory glory Man United!
Red Devils up 1-0 @ the Etihad, City's captain was just substituted out (V.Kompany)
Rooney with a brace, Rafael with a nice cross.
Still early, but City's 2 year unbeaten streak at home is in serious trouble.
with an epic miskick on the first goal.
It was a bit embarassing on both ends; Rooney had nothing on that ball, and Hart looked like his feet were in concrete.
In my opinion, Tevez pairs better with Aguero. This definitely has the look of a snapped home win streak unless we something special in the second half.
Manchester United legend Ole Gunnar Solskjaer says Manchester City are like a "little brother" who will never take their "big brother's" place.
No changes out of the locker for City.
Tevez off the bench, probably for Balotelli.
Smalling subbed in for Evans prior to that for United.
Lol Balotelli went right into the tunnel....dude is such a head case.
Why he still plays for City is shocking. He is the Titus Young of the Premiership. I'm a Hammer fan, so if there is anyway both teams could lose, I'm in. Cheers boys.
I mean, you can't blame the guy for being disappointed with getting subbed out of a game in the 50th minute.
Wow, RVP has a right foot too?!
RvP hits the post, Young offsides for the put-back.
Of course, City march down the field and Toure puts it into the corner after two great saves by De Gea.
Dzeko off the bench for another stab at last second heroics.
Toure off for city.
Valencia off for United, Jones in as a defensive midfielder.
sh*t City equalize off the corner
RvP on a free kick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eat it, CIty!!!!!!!!!
Classy, City. Ferdinand bleeding after being hit above the eye from something thrown from the stands.
FA better fine your Dubai-prince wallets.
Coin to the face. Only a City fan or a Buckeye could come up with a response like that. No wonder Morrisey wrote so many depressing songs, look at the material he had to work with. If he lived in Columbus, Morrissey would have been Beethoven.
RVP wins it on a free kick in stoppage time after City had tied it with 5 minutes to go, wow.
apologies ... simply thought it was amusing to see similar use of metaphor
Nasri with a spectualar effort in the wall to stop the FK.
City's equalizer was coming. They had so many gilt-edge chances before.
RVP's goal was deflected by Nasri and guided by Apollo into the net. No other explanation for that.
...New York Yankees of UEFA.
Eh, ManU, City, and Chelsea are all like the Yankees.
Its ironic he calls ManU the Yankees of soccer after a match against City, to say nothing of the LaLiga, and Seria A spending giants, or PSG.
How is ManU like the yankees? They are still swimming in debt from the Glazier's takeover. They couldn't afford to keep Tavez, and got outbidded by City for Nasri, and outbidded by Chelsea for Eden Hazard.
Most of their recent transfers were funded by selling Ronaldo to Real Madrid, and the vast majority of them (RvP excluded) were on the cheap (Chicarito, Jones, Smalling).
City, Chelsea have been buying left and right with Dubai/Russian backers
But compared to 99% of clubs in the European food chain, they are a predator. There happen to be a couple of apex predators (Chelsea, City, Barça, Real) above them at the moment, but the vast majority of clubs can't compete financially with them. They may not be the Yankees, but they're like the Red Sox.
I follow a couple of clubs in France, and they (other than PSG and possibly Monaco in the future) are mere tuna to the sharks that operate in England and Spain. That may start to change as clubs like Lille, Marseille and Lyon build new stadiums, but I'm not sure. French authorities are considerably less tolerant of endebted clubs than their neighbors.
(BTW, not to be that guy, but it's "outbid" not "outbidded".)
Yes, but 99% of clubs buy their players from smaller clubs. Every league in every country, there isn't so much a foodchain as there is a pipeline. Even at the youth ranks. Players often go through 2 or 3 or more teams as a youth prospect in every league. Man U is actually one of the better ones at spotting talent early and coaching them up before they're superstars. The clubs they buy players from bought those players from even smaller clubs, and so on. If you want to cheer for a team that doesn't tap up smaller clubs talent you likely won't be watching soccer, because they don't exist.
I know. I referred to them as "tuna" for that reason - the tuna itself is a predator, though not an apex one. A common career path is like this:
Little French and/or Belgian club --> Ligue 2 or small-market Ligue 1 (Lorient, Reims, etc.) --> larger Ligue 1 (Marseille, Lille, Lyon) --> England
It is what it is. I just find it a little silly to deny that Man U isn't benefitting from having a gigantic budget. Its budget may be marginally smaller than that of a couple other EPL competitors (and the Spanish big two), but still vastly larger than even most of the clubs it faces in the Champions' League.
The "Flamebait" and "Offtopic" labels are dished out way too often around here. I see them applied to both of snarling wolverine's posts here, and neither makes any sense. The negative votes and hiding of posts should be reserved for genuinely offensive/trolling posts, not just ones people happen to disagree with. Posters' obsession with downvoting everyone they disagree with just discourages free discussion.
Regarding the topic of this thread, why is it problematic for fans of big-market pro teams to acknowledge that they have more money than most of their competitors? As long as it's permitted by the rules, it's nothing to apologize about. No one seems to have a problem with the fact that Michigan football has more money to spend than most other football programs (which probably helps us land recruits).
Real LLLLY ? You might want to check your detective work there...
What else would you consider them? This is the club where C. Ronaldo, Ozil, Benzema and Higuain play side-by-side, where Zidane finished his career, where Beckham was lured during his prime...
I'm not saying that they are doing anything unethically by calling them an apex predator. They simply are stronger than virtually anyone else they butt heads against in the transfer market.
I misread your post to mean that Real Madrid were Yankee like lately. As you probably know they have been the Yankees, with small lapses, since Puskas and DiStefano in the 50's. Arsenal and Liverpool have been more Yankee like through the years too, more than Chelsea. I also was scratching my head about the comment about PSG, speaking of buying teams. Anyway, yes they are "apex predators" and I love to watch ALL these teams play.
Perhaps their recent spending spree on Ibra, Thiago Silva, Levezzi, Pastore, and Kevin Gameiro
Phil Jones - £15m on a player with little top flight experience
Chris Smalling - £8m
RVP - £24m
De Gea -£17m
The debt on the club from the Glazers has played a role but United isn't broke. City and Chelsea can basically spend whatever they want but United have still had huge bids for the likes of Hazard, Benzema, and Nasri.
I acknowledged that RvP was a pricey transfer; but the overall amount United has spent pales into comparison...
2012: Eden Hazard £35m
2012: Oscar £18m
2011: Fernando Torres £50m
2011: Juan Mata £24m
2011: David Luiz £21m
2011: Aguero £35m
2011: Dzeko £27m
2011: Nasri £25m
2010: Balotelli £24m
2010: Silva £24m
2010: Tourre £24m
United spend on transfers, make no mistake; but the've been handily outspent by Chelski and City over the last few years.
How much they spend on transfers is irrelevant if they already had a huge payroll and didn't need to make as many roster changes. They're still one of the top 8 in the world in terms of average salary for players in soccer. So yeah, it's less than City and Chelsea...but far from tiddlywinks or enough that they can't compete with those other clubs.
Ok. Would saying they're the Phillies, Red Sox or now Dodgers make you feel any better?
Are you calling them the Yankees because of the amount of titles they have won? Or because you think they outspend everyone? If it's about the titles what fan wouldn't want the team they follow to be great? Doesn't the fact that Michigan is the winningest program in NCAA history provide a point of pride for our fan base?
If you are talking about out spending teams, if you called them the Detroit Tigers (who are top 5 in spending much like United) would you have the negative connotations you tried to imply?
I left the Tigers out because there are many Tigers fans on the board (myself included) and didn't want to get them bitching too. I'm not talking about success, just finances. Thought it was stupid to call out one team for being like the Yankees when there are several other teams similar to them in terms of payroll, just like there are teams that spend much more than the average team in baseball.
I don't know why you would think I'm talking about success b/c it's pretty obvious the conversation was trending toward finances.
Really wondered why he started Mario B. over Tevez. Then super Mario acted like a baby went he was substituted for. Sir Alex proves again he is the best coach. It is no accident Man Utd just keeps winning even without Vidic.
Or over Dzeko. Either player is well outperforming Balotelli. In 6 starts and 6 appearances subbed in Bali's taken 32 shots, and only 5 of them were on target. He's scored one goal. Dzeko has played out of position as a Winger at times with 5 starts and 7 sub appearances and in 28 shots he has put 13 on target and has 6 goals and 1 assist. Dzeko's showed better character and commitment to the team in how he's handled being forced on the bench after picking City over other big clubs that would gladly be starting him right now.
unfair or not. Aguero plays better with Tevez. Edin Dzeko will likely be sacrificed if Mancini is to bring in the goalscorer he wants, Klaas-Jan Huntelaar. The owners have already told Mancini he has to cut payroll before adding another striker. Today's loss was as big as it gets and spring cleaning is definitely coming. btw Balotelli was already POed because his girlfriend gave birth and he couldn't go visit her due to the derby. He is gone too, imo.
I was rooting for the meteor.
It is a three man wall with Nasri in it.
So this Messi kid could turn out to be a fairly servicable striker someday...
I hope you enjoy this Mgoblog-like analysis on dollars spent in the EPL. The whole money grab associated with the Champions League or threat of demotion make spending even more important than in than our "socialist" college and pro sports.
Maybe not everyone likes soccer, but we all like cool graphs : ) Thoughts?