OT - Malaysia airline shot down over Ukraine
Multiple other sources confirmed.
and the strife between Russia and the Ukraine, I hope the U.S. becomes more focused than we've been lately and plays a major role in calming things down, I'm not very confident of this happening though.
This is a scary time around the world.
But calming things down in the Ukraine is pretty tall order. There are people there who consider it a long-time family obligation to try to free Ukrainians from Russians - with violence if necessary. And there are people who consider themselves more Russian than Ukrainian. You have Putin using agents provocateurs on one side - so it's not always clear who represents what interests - and then fascists on the other side (though I don't mean to imply that all Ukrainian independence supporters are fascist).
There are no good answers there.
I hear what you're saying, it's a tricky thing, how to deal with it, it is quite puzzling.
I just hope all these situations don't end up leading to a much bigger war-like period, but it's getting increasingly more difficult to avoid maybe.
why Putin keeps getting rewarded with major sporting events is beyond me.
and Qatar has it in 2022, another not so great choice.
Money has a lot of power
so true
FIFA is probably the most corrupt private organization (non govt) on earth. If you have 13 minutes to spare google John Oliver FIFA and that probably only touches on the surface of it.
The IOC just gave Russia the Olympis...putin behaved for that month than immediately went to war after.
Funny how money works.
Sounds like they intercepted a radio transmission between the rebel groups and they thought it was an enemy plane and shot it down.
They started posting celebratory comments on facebook (what a weird world we live in), and then deleted them when they found out it was a civilian plane.
Let's hold off on jumping to conclusions. Remember, the Ukrainian military shot down a civilian airliner from Tel Aviv back in 2001 because they were holding missile tests and screwed up.
I don't think anyone is jumping to concrete conclusions. Just speculating.
The only thing we know for sure is that a plane crashed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_systemn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system
No way "rebels" familiarize themselves with the radar targeting system over a couple days, to the point they shoot down a fighter, without someone running the targeting system for them.
MANPADs do not reach 30K feet, so this was NOT a smuggled SA18.
To the poster above; so the Ukranians also shot down their own Antanov cargo plane two days ago, and their own Su-25 yesterday, all in the same area? I don't think the rebels even have any air capability, certainly not going across Ukranian airspace to points east.
Ukraine is one of the foreign operators of that Russian anti-aircraft missile system you tried to link to (your link is broken).
So there are two possibilities, Ukraine or Russia. Both have a history of shooting down civilian airliners.
Your statements about the other airplanes are irrelevant. The Antanov was downed at a much lower altitude, the Su-25 probably by a Russian fighter.
Uhhh the Antanov was at about 21,000 feet. "Ukraine Defence Minister Valeriy Heletey said the plane was flying at an altitude of about 6,500 metres" http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/07/ukrainian-military-transpo…
Not that much under a commercial airliner. Plus, I'm not familiar with the geography, but shooting from a mountain that is ~6,000+21,000range=28,000.
Ever wonder why the one weapon the US wouldn't give to the Syrian "rebels" (*cough* now ISIS) were long-range anti-air despite Assad's main tool being aircraft? It'd sure be bad to have a US anti-air missile take down an American plane in Baghdad.
And remember, the Ukrainian military is split, those saying Ukrainians couldn't "teach" themselves to fire these things? They were formerly IN the USSR.
have within their ranks some individuals with prior service?
2. All other families who lost loved ones.
3. Israel and it's right to defend itself against all invaders and threats
Thanks, but I'll pray for ALL involved in the Middle East.
Interpol said the original manifesto had 23 US citizen on the flight. But most news agencies are saying no Americans on board? But then CBS news said they don't know and are still investigating, and now there are 20 that are of unknown origins? I don't get why our government is hiding the fact that 20 Americans were on the flight and were killed?
Annnnnnd Israel just invaded Gaza. Wonderful Thursday to everyone.