Non-issue. Sleezy. But a non-issue. It was an adult.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
Non-issue. Sleezy. But a non-issue. It was an adult.
that is why it's a big story.
That does make it a bigger deal, but not one we have any right to be privy to, so really it shouldn't be a big story. That's America for you though. I don't know why the school publicized it unless they got a tip the woman was going to the press and they wanted to squash it.
who was fired from having a relationship with an athlete which is another reason why the story is out.
Oh righteous brother, be righteous today
Using the term "Adult" student athlete is strangely vague. I'm guessing it was a male by the wording in all his statements and the direct avoidance of using she/her/co-ed etc...
Holy Crist, NOT EVERYONE IS GAY.
A 29 year old guy hooks up with a legally consenting adult and it's a problem? Only in America.
Really. She might have even been imaginary. Let's wait and see what Dr. Phil finds out.
except that his wife who happen to be 9 months pregnant was at home. So he basically cheated on his preggo wife.
Does that pertain to his job performance? If so, how? If not, why is his employer intruding?
When Texas female track coach was fired after getting caught with a sexual relationship with an athlete. It looks bad when Texas still employ Major after he porked a student during the Fiesta Bowl.
Applewhite just banged a student. And ADULT student. His problem is that he cheated on his wife. If he was single...I really wouldn't have an issue with it.
The track coach banged a student-ATHLETE. That's totally different. A coach can't be involved with a player, period. Just like a coach can't be involved with a secretary or support staff.
While I agree that it's not the same, isn't anyone aged 18 and up legally an adult? Point being, virtually all college students are adults by the time a bowl game rolls around. Banging an athlete when you're a coach compares to a prof banging a student in his class though... way different from some random student.
The track coach could have brought about Title IX liablity for the school for his conduct. There was an eerily similar out of the OSU track department back in 2000. I believe it actually went to the Supreme Court. This doesn't seem like that. He couldn't have really a situation where he based job/educational benefits on the basis of submission to his sexual conduct.
As a high profile public employee representing the University, they are held under higher standards. Cheating on your pregnant wife is a really low thing to do.
and the only person that should really give a shit whether it was a male or female is the preggo wife. Why is this news? If there was a subordinate relationship then the school should handle it.
Now let me say this, hell has no fury like a 9 month preggo wife. I say lock them two in a room and let WIFEY take care of the problem. I would rather go to jail than to piss off my 9 month preggo wife. I mean if I forget to take out the trash, I catch hell; but cheating on a preggo wife? MMA here we come.
As a leader of young men, it doesn't set a very good example when you're cheating on your wife and porking a student.
Morality isn't completely separate from your professional life.
You nailed it. He represents the univeristy.
It sure does...trustworthiness.
Well, somebody had to take care of the "Little Major."
Haven't given up this unnecessary quote schtick yet?
Meh, sounds like a whole lot of nothing to me
The only thing I care to know is if she's hot - assuming she is indeed a she.
I am sure that if she is truly a he, then he would be hott too
Don't really see the issue.
The issue might be that an employee of the university slept with a student. That is an abuse of power. Also, It is very similar to Texas women's track coach Bev Kearney who resigned in January as the school was in the process of firing her for having a relationship with one of her athletes in 2002. Even though Applewhite didn't sleep with a player he coached, he was still an authority figure of the university and should have been fired.
What would the key differences be between Bev Kearney and Major Applewhite?
Makes you think a bit.
Not really. Major hooked up with a woman that happened to attend UT. Bev had a relationship with someone she had an obvious influence over. Imagine being the guy she was sleeping with and being afraid to end things because your scholarship is at stake. It's two completely different situations.
She is the WOMAN's track coach.
Lesbianism plus red state equals terminaton. The gold ole boys will tolerate a little foolin' around with the lasses but not lasses foolin' around with other lasses. That is unacceptable.
Oh, I see she is a black woman too. She had no chance.
Austin is a fairly liberal place. Actually, from my understanding it's really just the boonies and shit podunk small towns of Texas that make up the batshit insane social conservatism you're talking about. San Antonio is supposedly solidly Democratic and from my understanding Dallas and its suburbs are fiscally conservative but relatively liberal when it comes to social policies. I don't really think that's the case here. As other posters have mentioned, the track coach had a position of power over the players. That could have created Title IX sexual harassment hell for the university on a quid pro quo case. If the school was shown to have been deliberately indifferent when the sex for benefits started, it could have been open to more liablity. By firing the coach immediately, they covered their asses in the present and in the future.
It's fairly liberal... the mayor is openly lesbian and it's not much of a thing. Suburbs, exurbs, and small towns are the real Texas the rest of the country has come to know and love in the news about said batshit-insanity.
(oddly, Austin is the home of the world's largest urban bat population, but the least batshit in my opinion)
It never says anywhere in the school's or his statements that it was a woman. Just that it was an adult. Just sayin'.
Abuse of power? Unless the student was employed by the athletic department or was on scholarship, exactly what power are we talking about?
Abuse of power? What could Major have held over her head? Unless she was taking a football 401 to satisfy a mandatory PE credit to graduate what "authority" was he abusing? It's not like he could have threatened to go to a prof. or the university president and have an influence without raising eyebrows. I will never condone cheating on his wife but the fact that it was with an adult student that he had no influence over doesn't bother me.
Abuse of power? What could Major have held over her head?
Maybe his hand?
I would think that sex probably would probably count towards a mandatory PE credit.
Dude there are like 70,000 UT students. He wasn't this girl's prof. or coach. He probably had no further interaction with her in the course of her education, or even with any of her profs. or anyone that knew her at all.
Kearney had an affair with one of her athletes. It's apples and oranges.
You're making some assumptions that may not be based in reality. He was disciplined by the school after their Legal Affairs department was called in. The discipline included a pay freeze. That leads one to ask why. Would that be SOP if she was some random student? According to the school's written policy, that does not appear to be the case. http://policies.utexas.edu/policies/consensual-relationships
apples and burnt oranges.
You don't see a problem with cheating on your 9 month pregnant wife?
he didn't see a problem with it.
This sounds like a major problem for the university.
Just guessing here, but I think the problem is that he didn't.
In general, I might agree with you, but this is a private matter. Corporal punishment would seem to be extreme in this case.
may be a hooker he bought with university money. At least he didn't dispose of her in the alleged Craig James manner.
Title should be changed to "major applewhite was a boss in 2009"
Cheating on a pregnant wife is none of our business, but shouldn't be labeled 'bossing' either.
was case mccoy sitting in the corner while it happened?
Applewhite had to come in for Chris Simms after he failed to perform adequately.
Unless the student was in a position beneath him...
I mean, unless she was subject to his authority...
Well. What I mean is, if there is no direct power relationship, then there is no conflict of interest. Hence, no problem.
I care about a lot of things that happen in the world. This is not one of them.
Alone this isn't a huge story unless your a UT grad and want pristine heroes. However late last year UT suspended their long time, very successful women's track and field coach just months after giving her a huge raise. She was let go at the beginning of the year just prior to the indoor season based on a consensual relationship with an athlete. She has since considered legal action vs. Texas (probably will claim discrimination based on her race, gender and sexual orientation).
While Major Applewhite appears to have not engaged with a subordinate as she did, it leaves Texas exposed should she pursue something legally. Just the threat of legal action is now increased.
On a lighter note, Chris Sims is wondering why that student never called him back.
The Texas comments on the board about the article about Chris Simms are pretty funny.
Apparently he didn't win many friends while in Austin.
Does this leave them open to legal action though? LIke was brought up before, the track coach was involved with someon she had direct influence over, an obvious no-no. But here, it just appears Applewhite and a random UT student not connected to the football program did the nasty.
Not unless she worked for him in some way.
It's almost a non-issue if he's not married.
You guys realize how many assistant football and basketball coaches are under 30, played in college, etc.? If they're single, and they work at a university...they're going to bang students, let's be real. There are plenty of 27, 28, 29 year old men in this world hooking up with 21-22 year old college students. It's not that bad. The cheating part is the biggest problem.
Someone also said he used his power/status to get this girl...
That's total bullshit. He's Major fucking Applewhite at the University of TEXAS! No one gives a shit he's the offensive coordinator. He was one of the best QBs in that schools recent history.
Do you honestly think if this was Mike Hart, someone would be like "oh man, he's using his EMU celebrity RB coach status to get girls!" No.
Also, the issue with the track coach was that she didn't tell the university about it as required. According to this story, Major did and was punished for it back in 2009, meaning the track coach can't use it as an example of discrimination.
www.mGoEnquirer.com - some posts make me think that would be a good investment. Is there going to be a new post every time someone cheats on thier wife. It's been going on since the birth of this country and it will continue to go on as long as humans like to have sex. Shame on the guy who works for Texas and shame on the ADULT who had sex with him. This is completley a personal matter and since the media quit actually reporting on real news a long time ago, now its on a Michigan message board. I feel that there needs to be an addition to the no politics and no religion discussions. Famous people who have an affair on thier wife pretty much touches both those topics.
existence. This land is a young land. Adultery is an ancient behavior that men have engaged in since time immemorial.
or since time immoral.
It's listed as OT, it's the offseason, not much going on...it is somewhat controversial content about a school (most of us) hate and involves a level of schadenfreude. Was there really much else going on?
Maybe you didn't live the post Fab 5 era or Ed Martin investigation, Tractor Traylor, Louis Bullock, Mo Clarett, Troy Smith and TPeezy/TatGate. Michigan's been here (hell, apparently Dave Brandon is catfishing these days) so I'm just looking out the window and across the yard.
But what do those things have to do with an Adult having sex with another consenting adult? I read your post because I thought it was another scandal that could get Texas in trouble, but was shocked to find a tabloid worthy article. Sorry I didn't find it news worthy or even remotley sports related. Just for your record, Im 34 so I also lived through a few other major NCAA investigations and plenty of sex scandals.
Perhaps I'm missing it, but where exactly in this article does it say this relationship was with an adult woman? Seems to me the university was awfully careful in its wording.
It's implied in consensual.
Two adult males can't have consensual sex?
I had the same question...
I think he thought you were speculating about the person being underage, not guy/girl
Ah! I can see how it might be taken that way. However, my speculation was on grounds it was with another man. The way the university worded it was super fishy.
Did they actually win their bowl game that year?
Yeah, I don't get it. Major Applewhite is 34 years old, this happened 4 years ago so he was 30 at the time and had a consenting sexual encounter with an 18-23 year old...so what. Now, if he was married as someone mentioned it's certainly not cool, and if his wife was pregnant it's even worse. But, I don't personally see why it matters that it was a student. He's not a professor. As long as he no direct influence over this student such as if it were an athlete I don't really see the big deal. Age doesn't matter, the fact that it's a student doesn't matter, just the fact that it's a student at the school he works at. That part doens't bother me. The part about cheating on his wife...that's another story. But, I don't see why an employer has any right to tell who two consenting adults should or should not be romantically involved assuming there is no conflict of interest such as coach/athlete, professor/student, or supervisor/employee.
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In light of the posts on this forum, having an imaginary girlfriend doesn't look so bad anymore.
That might depend upon whether the student worked in a position that reported to him.
Who fucking cares
The woman was an adult and it was consensual. Are dudes not supposed to get any?
PC police are on the loose.
I’m assuming that Texas has a non-fraternization policy, which is why he was subject to discipline. My first thought when reading this was “so what, he banged a co-ed who is an adult”. Given his status and position with the team in addition to the influence he has over the young men he leads, that makes him kind of sleazy and a poor example. Sad to say that these actions do not make him exceptional. If he did cheat on his pregnant wife, that just makes it worse.
One time occurrence my ass
Getting caught was the occurrence.
I think some are getting too wrapped up in the legality of this. No, he won't go to jail because she was old enough to consent. But it's not like everything that happens to be legal is good from an image standpoint.
A guy working at a school sleeping with students a decade younger than him at said school is getting into sketchy territory to begin with. At some places that alone can be a violation of the organizational code of conduct. That he was married and his wife nine months pregnant at the time makes him look really sleazy. That he was doing this as a member of an institution (the football program) that represents the school in the public eye is going to make the school uncomfortable. Would you want to hear a story like this about a U-M assistant coach? I wouldn't.
Most universities stipulate that undergrads are off-limits to employees. Since it was a consensual relationship with an adult, this isn't a legal matter, but it likely is a violation of university policy. So yes, it is an issue.
Why in this country are we so intrigued with what other people do with their private parts. Could it possibly be that our sex lives are so boring and nonexistent that we feel we have to judge other people for stuff that we wish we could be doing. Food for thought. People sit here and judge this guy because secretly they wish they were him. Got a pregnant wife and a girl on the side while most guys reading this article haven't banged their wife since bush was in office. It's not our place to say what a guy should or shouldn't do with his one eyed Willie. Stop hatin
I wonder if this is coming out now because there are people within UT that want Mack Brown and co. fired. It seems like there may be more going on down there than we know.