Firstbase

January 4th, 2018 at 11:51 AM ^

...but if the market will bear it, so be it. I find all sports-related salaries at both college and pro level ridiculously inflated, but I'm not one to stand in the way of free enterprise, either. 

 

Joined: 09/30/2009

MGoPoints: 9374

evenyoubrutus

January 4th, 2018 at 11:55 AM ^

If they want to stay in compliance with Title IX, then I guess all the players could make about 50 bucks a year. But otherwise this does not signify that there is money to pay the players.

Joined: 11/04/2008

MGoPoints: 178179

Chiwolve

January 4th, 2018 at 2:03 PM ^

That's either a piping hot take or just bad math...

Let's forget all other coaches at LSU, but between HC and DC you have about $6 million per yera that LSU is spending. How many student athletes are there at LSU?? Let's call it 1,000 (which seems high to me, but makes math easier). That's still enough for every athlete to be paid $6,000. Slightly more than 50 bucks...

Joined: 08/26/2011

MGoPoints: 5795

corundum

January 4th, 2018 at 12:10 PM ^

I agree that players shouldn't be paid, but the argument is that some players are directly making millions of dollars for their university's bottom line, while their scholarship compensation value is an entire factor below that. These players should at least be able to accept sponsorships outside of the university.

Joined: 05/10/2012

MGoPoints: 47323

trueblueintexas

January 4th, 2018 at 12:40 PM ^

Normally you would have to be able to quantify that to establish a pay structure. In essence, which players, and how much specifically are they generating on their own which the University is getting but the player isn't.

An example:

- Rashan Gary wears #3. Because of the O'Bannon lawsuit, Michigan can not offically endorse a #3 jersey. Next year they can sell a #18 jersey because the year is 2018. So Michigan is not endorising receiving direct revenue from #3 jersey sales (even though they still are because stores can sell them and still must pay the liscensing fee).

- Anything regarding general ticket sales, media revenue, bowl revenue, etc, is tricky on parsing out what Rashan himself is generating vs. the Michigan brand and other factors. I.e. Rashan wouldn't gain attention if he was not a good player. What makes him a good player? Just him or: 

1) Don Brown is the DC. Maybe he is partially responsible for the recognition Rashan is getting.

2) Mo Hurst, Chase Winovich, Devin Bush (all the defensive players) have a role in how well Rashan plays. 

3) The offensive line, and the scout team O-line and backs and TE's all play a role in helping Rashan develop into the player he currently is. 

So how much of the general revenue does Rashan deserve? He wouldn't be who he is without Michigan and the total system around him. Likewise, Rashan helps gain Michigan recognition just like Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson, and all former players still help Michigan gain recognition. 

For those who want to treat college football strictly like a business, this is how it would start to be evaluated. To do all of this evaluation, the AD would need to hire a whole new team of accountants, marketers, and business development managers. Is that really where you want revenue dollars going? That would take money away from the goods and services the athletes are already getting via exclusive dining halls, work out facilities, dorms, etc. 

Joined: 11/10/2008

MGoPoints: 36624

TESOE

January 4th, 2018 at 12:08 PM ^

but the fans and alumni.  I'm going to take my couch out to the street now and burn it to the ground.

Seriously, it's time to disassociate football and academic institutions of all colors.  Then we will see if players get paid.

Joined: 09/21/2009

MGoPoints: 8477

BornInA2

January 4th, 2018 at 12:18 PM ^

Seriously, who said there's no money to pay players? Getting a bit tired of the hyperbole on that side of the argument.

Players are amateurs. Amateurs don't get a salary. in the case of college football, they get a FREE college education worth a QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS, or more. They get free training at a game from some of the best in the business. They get free food. The cost of all of that is spread out across people who pay full-boat of tuition, like me. And, if memory serves, they get stipends now.

If you want to change something, just let kids go pro at any time. But then also require that if they accept a college scholarship that they complete their degree or pay back the money if they leave early. If you want to use college athletics as a short-term training ground for your profession that's fine (this is more of an issue in MBB), but don't do it on my nickel.

Joined: 02/15/2014

MGoPoints: 12802

what would Bo do

January 4th, 2018 at 12:18 PM ^

Does this mean they won't have enough money to keep Matt Canada around? /s...I know a team that is likely in the market for an OC.  I know it's wishful thinking, but his offense at Pitt was awesome to watch and utilized the same personel we have on the roster already.

Joined: 12/27/2011

MGoPoints: 1152

allintime23

January 4th, 2018 at 12:25 PM ^

What even talk about paying the players? If you want to ruin ncaa sports that will do it. I can even imagine the horror that would unleash. Negotiations with 15 year old kids?

Joined: 09/21/2009

MGoPoints: 15225

74polSKA

January 4th, 2018 at 12:32 PM ^

Weren't people on this blog calling for Michigan to back the Brinks truck up to Chris Partridge's house just this week? If the guy's skills demand that type of salary, so be it.

Joined: 05/25/2011

MGoPoints: 8261

likerice

January 4th, 2018 at 12:46 PM ^

If this is true, Aranda will be paid more than head coaches at the lower end of Power 5 conferences, and more than the head coaches at ALL group of 5 programs.

Joined: 12/29/2014

MGoPoints: 171

M-GO-Beek

January 4th, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^

If Aranda is worth $2.5mil, then what is Don Brown worth? It is has to be a lot more than $1.5mil.  Aside from not giving the money to the players, this blows up the whole salary structure for Coordinators across the country.  Eventually, handing out this type of money has its limits and the have-nots of college football are just going to fall farther behind. 

Joined: 02/03/2015

MGoPoints: 5638

Tuebor

January 4th, 2018 at 12:57 PM ^

The P5 conferences reported $2.3 Billion in total revenue for FY2016.  There are 64 P5 conference teams (I won't include ND and BYU for this analysis).  If those 64 teams have 100 players (85 football and 15 basketball plus everyone else) that are directly responsible for the revenue then that means that the revenue per player works out to be $360K per player. 

 

Now that is just revenue, not profits.  So that $360K per player has to pay for facilities, coaching staff, training staff, tuition, room and board, travel expenses, academic support staff, and plenty more I'm probably missing.

 

So are the players getting shorted?  Probably, but not to the tune of millions per player.  If you use the NFL CBA as a guideline it says that 48% of revenue should be used as salary, that means that every player in a revenue sport is worth an average salary of 172,200.  Now imagine if they had to pay for their own tuition, room and board, academic support, etc.  

 

And this doesn't even take into account the title IX implications. 

Joined: 03/14/2011

MGoPoints: 17467

Chiwolve

January 4th, 2018 at 2:20 PM ^

Come on man... that is just a lazy way at looking at revenue

You need to look at the revenue that each individual school / AD generates (UM ~$180M annually)

If you want to take your lump sum approach -- the total revenue would be clsoer to $10 Billion

http://www.businessinsider.com/ncaa-schools-college-sports-revenue-2016…

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20170615/NEWS/170619914/michigan-a…

 

Joined: 08/26/2011

MGoPoints: 5795

SwordDancer710

January 4th, 2018 at 4:00 PM ^

You know, as much as I love Don Brown, I have to wonder if paying him $2.5M or more would be worth it. I'm thinking about this way more than I should, and only because the idea of paying an assistant coach more than many head coaches is a little baffling to me.

But for these defenses, he's worth it. 

Joined: 08/17/2009

MGoPoints: 1429