like I said on twitter: that was almost as intense as Iowa NIT games
OT - Louisville to ACC
November 28th, 2012 at 12:21 PM | 
My father
My father
November 28th, 2012 at 9:45 AM |
What the hell...
What the hell...
Does Louisville add to the ACC?
#scraps
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November 28th, 2012 at 9:52 AM |
A better football and
A better football and
A better football and basketball program than Maryland?
November 28th, 2012 at 10:09 AM |
Post from ACC message board a
Post from ACC message board a
Post from ACC message board a little over a week ago:
"Does Rutgers add to the Big Ten?
#scraps"
Rutgers and Maryland: NOT WELCOME
November 28th, 2012 at 11:35 AM |
It's funny because it's true
It's funny because it's true
It also makes me sad. But I realize we'd never, ever add Louisville, as they are not nearly strong enough academically.
It only ends once. Anything that happens before that, is just progress.
November 28th, 2012 at 11:41 AM |
That's exactly what UVa fans
That's exactly what UVa fans
That's exactly what UVa fans said... and look what happened. The ACC is very comparable to the B1G academically and they've accepted UofL, what makes you think the B1G wouldn't stoop in the future (granted we're on more stable ground), especially if a school presented "a bigger footprint for the BTN". $ > Academics
Rutgers and Maryland: NOT WELCOME
November 28th, 2012 at 12:20 PM |
The ACC gave away its dignity
The ACC gave away its dignity
The ACC gave away its dignity to bring in ND as a quasi-member. That move demonstrated that its ambitions were quite a bit different from ours.
November 28th, 2012 at 1:30 PM |
I can imagine that damn near
I can imagine that damn near
I can imagine that damn near every other conference, except for the Big Ten, would have done the same, no?
November 28th, 2012 at 3:02 PM |
I don't know
I don't know
I certainly can't see the SEC saying "everything but football? Come on down!" And I doubt the Pac-12 would do it either. The new Big-12 might, since they're just Texas and the 9 dwarfs now. But I don't think the old Big 12 would have.
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November 28th, 2012 at 2:13 PM |
ACC is not quite the same as Big 10 - look at AAU
ACC is not quite the same as Big 10 - look at AAU
As far as I can tell, AAU membership is REALLY important to the B1G. Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, Florida State and soon-to-be member Syracuse might be fine universities (certainly better than Louisville), but they are not AAU members. I think the only one of the B1G 14 not in there is Nebraska, which was a recent removal.
I do agree $ > than academics, but the $ portion for Louisville would not be that great. It doesn't add a big TV market for the all-important BTN. It DOES add an excellent b-ball program and a good football team (certainly both better than UMD and Rutgers), but the B1G has shown they really don't care about that, no matter what they say, with their recent expansion. Which is why the B1G expansion is stupid to me, but they don't care about what their fans/alums want, so it doesn't matter.
It only ends once. Anything that happens before that, is just progress.
November 28th, 2012 at 11:39 AM |
That football program has to
That football program has to
That football program has to keep Strong to stay good long term. No body believes that will happen, despite the Louisville saying they will pay him the highest salary in the country. They can say that all they want, but the fact is if a big school like Texas or USC comes calling he is gone. Kentucky isn't that big of market and the fact is that the Wildcats own it any way.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:04 PM |
I can't wait for Texas to hire Strong.
I can't wait for Texas to hire Strong.
Then have them play Florida in the Awkward Bowl.
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November 28th, 2012 at 9:45 AM |
"CHAAANGE PLAAAAACCESSSS!!!!"
"CHAAANGE PLAAAAACCESSSS!!!!"
"CHAAANGE PLAAAAACCESSSS!!!!"
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November 28th, 2012 at 10:56 AM |
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"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"
November 28th, 2012 at 9:56 AM |
ACC comes out as big winners
ACC comes out as big winners
ACC comes out as big winners here - lose Maryland, gain Louisville. Someone remind me, why did we pick up Maryland and Rutgers?
November 28th, 2012 at 10:00 AM |
Because this is Jim Delany.
Because this is Jim Delany.
Because this is Jim Delany.
November 28th, 2012 at 10:42 AM |
I didn't know he moonlighted as Brutus Buckeye
I didn't know he moonlighted as Brutus Buckeye
I didn't know he moonlighted as Brutus Buckeye
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November 28th, 2012 at 10:05 AM |
Newscorp
Newscorp
And TV Money. Newscorp owns Fox (And 49% of BTN) and they also just bought the YES Network (FSDetroit, but for New York. They show Knicks, Yankees, etc.)
Newscorp can bundle BTN and YES to cable providers and there's the leverage to get BTN into every home in the NY area. And the cash that comes with it.
"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"
November 28th, 2012 at 10:13 AM |
If this is true, I am further
If this is true, I am further
If this is true, I am further confused as to why Rutgers was a needed piece to get this thing going. What % of New Yorkers are fans of Rutgers athletics? 2-3%? I don't see why those 2% of people would be needed when you have ~70% of the market clammoring to watch the Yankees and willing to take the BTN along with YES. Likewise, I'd be willing to bet there are more Michigan fans in NY than Rutgers, and combined with the rest of the B1G schools with sizeable alumni bases in the area, the argument for Rutgers is further weakened.
Stupid add which I think is going to hurt the brand in the longrun. Who needs another.... well shit, even Indiana is good at basketball and Minnesota at hockey.... Purdue? Congrats Delaney, you just added a school which will be the worst athletic school in the B1G, with no academic benefits either!
Rutgers and Maryland: NOT WELCOME
November 28th, 2012 at 10:21 AM |
To be fair, Rutgers is a good
To be fair, Rutgers is a good
To be fair, Rutgers is a good academic school. The rest of your comments have merit, however.
November 28th, 2012 at 12:04 PM |
Academically, it's fine at
Academically, it's fine at
Academically, it's fine at best, on the high end of commuter schools. But it's nothing to write home about.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:07 PM |
I am confused as to why being
I am confused as to why being
I am confused as to why being a commuter school automatically makes people turn up their noses at a place
it's better than Nebraska, State and Indiana in most academic ratings.
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler
November 28th, 2012 at 11:12 AM |
Not so fast my friend
Not so fast my friend
Your comment on more Michigan fans than Rutgers fans in NY is way off. Rutgers has, by far the largest follwing of college football in the NYC.
About 14% of New Yorkers consider themselves college football fans. That may seem small, but it's the largest market population wise with almost 3,000,000 people citing they are fans. Rutgers is, by far the largest share of that group (~21%) or slightly over 600,000. PSU is next for B10 schools with a share of 6.5% while UM is third with a 5% share. Add in OSU and they have close to 1,000,000 B10 fans, not enough to get on the basic cable for over 20,000,000 people (about 5%). Throw in the forced bundle with YES and they can charge more, and you have big bucks for both Fox and the B10 schools.
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November 28th, 2012 at 10:56 AM |
Wait - you think Louisville
Wait - you think Louisville
Wait - you think Louisville is better than Maryland?
November 28th, 2012 at 11:47 AM |
Athletically Lousiville is WAY more attractive
Athletically Lousiville is WAY more attractive
Its really not even close in my view. But, then again, we all know that this has nothing to do with athletics...
November 28th, 2012 at 11:57 AM |
Even if you look at it from a
Even if you look at it from a
Even if you look at it from a purely athletic perspective, I still don't know. In football, Louisville has been lucky to have two good coaches use them as a stepping stone. When Petrino was there, they were pretty good, but then he left. They're OK with Charlie Strong, but still not that good, and he'll leave them soon enough. Outside of those two small windows, Louisville is basically Toledo. If Louisville was in the ACC, they'd be struggling to be .500 every year.
Louisville has a very good basketball coach right now, but Maryland has a very strong basketball tradition and a recent National Championship (more recent than any Big Ten team, IIRC).
Point is - if anything, they're a push athletically, but I don't even think that's true. In every other category, it's a blowout. And I'd be much more excited to watch my team play Maryland than Louisville.
November 28th, 2012 at 12:09 PM |
guess it's just human nature but the way fans steadfastly
guess it's just human nature but the way fans steadfastly
refuse to look at the upside of these deals rather than just what schools are doing in the immediate present. . . is frustrating. Everyone knows there is good HS football in MD and NJ, but they're rather just narrowly keep slagging the two schools. And I say this as someone who would be AGAINST the expansion if they don't bring in two more schools that complete the equation in solid fashion (NC and UVA being my choices).
November 28th, 2012 at 2:27 PM |
Louisville is MUCH bigger in bball than UMD
Louisville is MUCH bigger in bball than UMD
Louisville has been a much more successful bball program than Marlyand. It's not even that close. Louisville is in the Top 10, all-time, in terms of NCAA tourneys, wins, final fours and winning percentage.
I mean Louisville has 9 Final Fours; Maryland has 2.
In terms of football, it's a wash. They are both very coach-dependent (well, all schools are coach-dependent, but them more than others).
You can certainly get more excited about watching UM play the Terps than Louisville; whatever floats your boat. But Louisville in basketball coming to the B1G would have been humongous in that sport (not that it would have ever happened due to academics and not being a big market). In terms of history, along with the present & near future, adding UMD is adding a second-tier player in basketball (behind MSU, UM, OSU and IU, at least).
It only ends once. Anything that happens before that, is just progress.
November 28th, 2012 at 4:31 PM |
I live in Louisville and you
I live in Louisville and you
I live in Louisville and you saying Maryland basketball is basically on par is LAUGHABLE.
Dude they WORSHIP college basketball here. Best NCAA basketball arena in the country, easily. Rich tradition. Currently very good at basketball. I mean, it's no contest.
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November 28th, 2012 at 12:22 PM |
Maryland is a much better
Maryland is a much better
Maryland is a much better school than Louisville. Trading a flagship state institution for a commuter school isn't a great deal.
November 28th, 2012 at 9:59 AM |
So....
So....
the ACC became the Big East and the Big East became Conference USA.
Anyone still confused?
"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"
November 28th, 2012 at 10:01 AM |
EMU to the Big East.
EMU to the Big East.
EMU to the Big East. They want to get the Big East footprint in that Ypsilanti market.
November 28th, 2012 at 10:01 AM |
I can't even keep track anymore
I can't even keep track anymore
I try my best to follow NCAA sports but I am totally lost now as to who is in what conference for the secondary schools that I don't care as much about (i.e. anyone not in the Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12, or SEC). Between the switching and the switching back and everything else, I am totally lost. I think I'll just wait until we have 4 16 team superconferences and then I'll bother relearning all of the affiliations.
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November 28th, 2012 at 3:53 PM |
I am pretty much there with
I am pretty much there with
I am pretty much there with you. At this point, they should just have all the ADs meet, create the four mega-conferences and have done with it. The traditions of the conferences have basically been killed off at this point. Lets just have done with this.
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November 28th, 2012 at 10:06 AM |
Kudos Delaney! You just made
Kudos Delaney! You just made
Kudos Delaney! You just made the ACC stronger. Vengeance burn on ND aborted.
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November 28th, 2012 at 10:19 AM |
The Realignment Saga Continues...
The Realignment Saga Continues...
"But multiple sources said the conference is comfortable with Louisville because the ACC is too strong academically to have its reputation significantly altered by one new member." - from the Yahoo! article on the move
I think this might be a polite way for the ACC to say, "We added Louisville because people will actually watch and/or attend Louisville athletics events."
Nonetheless, I cannot wait for the Big East to counter with a move to add Brigham Young, UNLV, FIU, tanning beds and a drive-thru pharmacy.
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November 28th, 2012 at 10:44 AM |
Big East looking to bring
Big East looking to bring
Big East looking to bring Hawai'i into the fold as a recplacement...book it.
November 28th, 2012 at 10:57 AM |
duh!
duh!
Hawaii is, after all, east of Guam.
November 28th, 2012 at 10:45 AM |
It's only a matter of time
It's only a matter of time
so if this trend continues is the Big East going to have to surrender it's status as a BCS conference in order to let a stronger conference in... like the MAC
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November 28th, 2012 at 10:50 AM |
The Big East already lost its BCS status
The Big East already lost its BCS status
They have one more season in the BCS. In the new deal, which begins in 2014, they have the same status as the MAC, C-USA, Sun Belt, and Mountain West.
Marc Shepherd
New York, NY
November 28th, 2012 at 10:56 AM |
INSANITY
INSANITY
Louisville is a commuter school. Academically, it's way, way, way, way below every other school in the ACC, even ClemPson.
So this move is strictly, 100% about football and basketball. There is absolutely no other way that the high-brow academic heavyweights in the ACC would ever associate with academic drivel like Louisville.
Yet more confirmation of what this is really ALL about.
SRSLY, maybe Mexico's UNAM has it right. That's the major public university in Mexico City. It has a professional soccer team, which plays in Mexico's top-flight team. But the players aren't students; they are professional players, like every other pro soccer player in Mexico's top league, it's just that the team happens to be owned by the university.
Frankly, that's where D-1 should head. Let's stop pretending this has anything to do with "student athletes." I'm growing so sick of this BS that academic institutions spin out, all in the name of chasing the almighty dollar.
November 28th, 2012 at 11:30 AM |
Clemson is a pretty good
Clemson is a pretty good
Clemson is a pretty good school. Out in the sticks for sure, but a decent school nonetheless.
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November 28th, 2012 at 3:16 PM |
I still don't see
I still don't see
I still don't see why "commuter school" is supposed to be an insult or a reflection of academic quality. It's a reflection on the makeup of the student body, perhaps, in that they mostly live off campus. And many if not most of them are mediocre to poor schools, but that doesn't necessarily reflect on the nature of the university itself. UL isn't a poor school because it's a commuter school, it's a poor school because it doesn't offer an education on par with top end institutions.
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler
November 28th, 2012 at 7:58 PM |
Louisville
Louisville
Hey man, I have a degree from Louisville. I agree it's not Harvard but "academic drivel?" Not called for.
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November 28th, 2012 at 11:07 AM |
Cute
Cute
So, after all of the posturing is finished, the ACC will still have the same number of teams, but will be $50 million richer from Maryland's buyout fee.
I wish I could find a job like this. I would "work" at least once a year.
November 28th, 2012 at 11:42 AM |
They won't ever see the full
They won't ever see the full
They won't ever see the full 50 million. Losing the Under Armour guy also isn't a positive for the ACC either. Don't think the Pac12 isn't thrilled to have Knight bankrolling Oregon
November 28th, 2012 at 11:47 AM |
If Plank really bankrolled
If Plank really bankrolled
If Plank really bankrolled Maryland the way Knight does Oregon, they might still be in the ACC and certainly wouldn't be in as much debt as they are.
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November 28th, 2012 at 12:24 PM |
I doubt Plank cashing in all
I doubt Plank cashing in all
I doubt Plank cashing in all that stock the around the time Maryland decided they were leaving the ACC was a coincidence. He obviously wanted them in the BIg10. He won't bankroll them like Knight does (but other then Pickens at Ok St. who does), but based on the fact that he is obviously funding some/ all of the buyout I'd expect him to become more involved.
November 28th, 2012 at 11:08 AM |
As a current resident of
As a current resident of
As a current resident of Louisville I could not be more excited. Unless of course things worked out perfectly and UofL joined the B1G... we were that close. Delany is a MORANS.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
November 28th, 2012 at 11:39 AM |
I'd love for your city to get
I'd love for your city to get
I'd love for your city to get more B1G games but Louisville in no way qualifies for B1G status academically. No way.
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