Means nothing if the O-line sucks. Great teams are built on the line.
OT: Lions trade up, draft Jahvid Best
Guys like Best and Spiller don't need room to make a big play. Why am I bringing up Spiller you ask? Well because he's on my Bills.
that you think ANY RB doesn't need blocks to make big plays. Ask Reggie Bush if RBs need room to get going.
proves the rule........
BS was a once in a lifetime player.
The line may have been better at pass protection than run blocking but we may never know wince most of the offense was run out of the gun. If you watch BS highlight tapes you can see how bad out line was, he had to make his first spin move behind the line of scrimmage most of the time to avoid a huge loss.
This post SHOULD be negged. No one mentioned is in the same state as Barry.
but the Saints running game lives only because of its line. it's the reason they can sign guys undrafted or off the street and they can end up having 700+ yd seasons. did anyone know who Pierre Thomas or Mike Bell were before this/last season?
Pierre Thomas was the reason why Rashard Mendenhall didn't start until his JR year when Thomas already ran for 1000 yard the year before and the year before that.
Mike Bell ran for over 1000 yards when he was with the Broncos.
So there. :-P
When I saw the graphic, I thought they had followed Lion Logic and traded Suh down for the pick. This could end up being the front office that actually builds a decent team in Detroit.
They may be looking at Trevor Anderson DE/OLB from Michigan State later in the draft. He had a great pro day and they really like him as an OLB.
Following in the footsteps of Otis Wiley
AGREED. They traded up and Sergio Kindle was there for the taking. Dude's a beast and I would have loved to see him in a Lions uniform.
I heard on the radio on the way into work that Kindle didn't fit the Lions D scheme. Apparently he is more of a 3-4 LB
i agree, the O-Line needs to be upgraded desperately. hard to run anywhere when the D-lineman are in the backfield by the time you get the ball (unless you're Barry Sanders, that is). but i do like this for the fact that it will open up the deep ball downfield for Calvin.
I was personally a big fan of Joe McKnight out of USC and we could have gotten him in the third. Didn't have a lot of hype because he had to split carries with like 98238 RBs in college. I would have stood pat and waited to see if Sergio Kindle was still available and taken him.
doesn't really fit in Detroit. They play a 4-3 and Kindle doesn't fit well as a OLB or a DE in a 4-3. He's a 3-4 OLB imo.
I think taking Suh would have allowed him to become a good DE, much like his old teammate Orakpo.
Edit: Unless they have plans of moving Suh to DE, which I have heard might be an option just because he's such a talent.
"Sergio is a beast, but NFL teams maybe be afraid he can't like, you know, read"
Apparently he isn’t the sharpest eraser in the pencil drawer.
When I read your post about Kindle being ... well ... not so bright it reminded me of this
I wouldn't say McKnight didn't have a lot of hype. He was hyped in college a ton. Also, he shared carries with a bunch of other backs because he couldn't take the job himself as a full-time back.
I'm not talking about college....I'm fully aware how much hype he had coming out of high school.
Couldn't take the job? Yeah, because USC doesn't have a ridiculous amount of talent at the skill positions every year.
I'm not talking about coming out of high school. He had a lot of hype while in college. He was the top recruit in the nation and couldn't take the top spot in the running back rotation. I don't care how many backs they had. He was never the top back.
He only averaged a little under 7 YPC during his career. Again, USC never handed the reins to one back at anytime during Carroll's tenure and that included the Bush era, and he was perhaps the most lauded recruit in college history. And most paid.
Comparing McKnight's situation to Bush's is silly - CJ Gable is not LenDale White. The reason that no one took over the starting job at SC this past year is because no one was all that good. I don't care how many good backs a team has, if you have NFL first round talent, you should take over the starting job.
I'm just real confused as to how this guy all of a sudden has no talent when he averaged almost 7 every time he touched the ball last year in an offense that couldn't throw.
I never said McKnight was Reggie Bush either and definitely didn't say he was a first round pick, just that he was a viable third round pick in this draft when Detroit could have taken a Kindle/Jerry Hughes type player with the 30th pick they traded up for.
I don't know I think he still would have been around so there was no need to move up. He's been injury prone the last couple years so I question his durability but if he can catch coming out of the backfield he could be a pretty good 3rd down back
Boy, I don't know about Best. He's great...when he's in the game. Hopefully the concerns over his injury prone-osity will be overblown like AD's, but I think Detroit could've/should've waited for an RB. I really like Legarrette Blount.
I think the Lions did a good job shoring up the left side of the O-Line with the pickup of the Rob Sims. The coaching staff has said that Backus has been solid at LT. Raiola in the middle is still solid. Cherilus has this year to prove himself at RT, or else he's gone. I think they have a decent OL, and probably middle level overall compared to the rest of the league.
I love the trade to get Best. He is a game breaker and a great change-of-pace back. You need two quality RB's in the league to do some damage. If Kevin Smith comes back OK, I think we have that now.
Another good move by the front office.
They aren't as awful on the O-line as a lot of people think they are. They aren't great by any stretch, but they are certainly serviceable, especially with so many weapons the D has to worry about.
Stafford will miss half the season due to injury.
I know's he's a Wolverine, but Backus simply sucks as a left tackle.
Im excited to see a running back like this in a lions uniform. The next Chris Johnson!
He tears up sparty in the first part of the video
The dude has definitely got a set of wheels; fast, quick, and elusive. He could be special, we shall see, but if not the Lions reached and gambled for naught. There are other needs the team has that could of been address without a deal, but management to me has done a commendable job in the short time they have been on the job so I won't critique the move. Hopefully the Lions can become a playoff team...the Mitchell to Green pass for a TD in the NFC finals against Washington in '91 is still emblazoned on my mind, kind of like the highwater mark of the organization for like, ever. That was great to celebrate, here's to hoping it happens soon again.
That is a complete Millen pick. They need to focus on O Line. It has been bad for like fifteen years.
a complete Millen pick would have been taking Jimmy Clausen at #4. "But we already have a QB!" you say... to which i respond "exactly".
I was actually hoping we'd go after Best. I don't know that we needed to trade up for him, but guys like Best are rare.
" don't know that we needed to trade up for him, but guys like Best are rare."
You forgot the ending: "but guys like Best are rare-ly on the field."
My first reaction when I saw the Lions traded up was, "Awesome, they can pick up a solid O-Lineman in the first round!" I'm not questioning Best's ability, but I do question the need for a new RB over the need to improve the line.
That said, best first round from the Lions that I can remember!
Jesus, people act like the line is the worst part of the team. It isn't.
The OL improved markedly last year, but because the Lions started a rookie who had to throw because the Lions were behind all the time they gave up a significant number of sacks.
Besides, you can build a good line with FA'S and mid-round picks. See Colts, Pats, and Steelers.
My7 issue with is Best's injury problems and the fact that they didn't go after a DB. CB is BY FAR the worst position group on the team. Than it is safety because it is Delmas and......
Touche about the OL. I'm so used to it being horrible, I didn't think too much about how the rookie QB combined with the terrible defense really makes the line look worse than it is. Still, having a really good OL (rather than a mediocre one) is a huge benefit, and I still wish they would have picked up an OL.
Durability is a legit concern but I also think people are making too big a deal of it. He missed one game in 2008. In '09 there was the big concussion, but you can't watch that and tell me that's a durability issue...you take the most durable RB in the world and let him suffer a fall like that, he's still gonna miss some games.
that since we lead the league in INTs that he wasn't taking as many sacks as he should have and made INTs instead?
The Lions identified positions that need to be filled as soon as possible. There is no waiting around for a few more Couple win seasons. Jahvid Best will be a compliment to Kevin Smith and Jerome Felton, because they are pure power. I think a I -form with Best and Felton could confuse DEFENSES. Suh is a guranteed starter. Schwartz brought in experienced talent around Suh to make his tansition much easier. I give this draft a A+.
the lions got the best player in the draft(as a texas fan, i know how much suh can utterly dominate a game) and a very good running back. that said, dont jump to the "A+!" conclusion just yet. if they continue to make good picks after tomorrow, then i'd be all aboard that train.
was a smart move due to the lack of depth at the running back position in this year's class. sure u could have stayed and picked gerhart but that doesnt really make a good combination with the backs that the lions currently have(power + power).
Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't call Kevin Smith a power back.
Kevin Smith is a pretty balanced back. However, I believe things like ACL tears impact NFL players, especially running backs, more than college players. I don't like relying on Smith this fall.
I think Schwartz wants an explosive gamebreaker in the backfield. Look at Baltimore...would their offense be half as scary without Ray Rice? I know you're a coach; are defenses not more susceptible to things like play action if you have a guy who's flat out faster than all of them on the field?
In a tandem of smith and best u would say that smith is the power back. Sure he's not the best option at power back but I feel that smith/best makes a better combo than smith/gerhart simply because smith fits the role of power back more than speed back.
with a late pick, 6th or 7th rounder?
I hate to say it but I don't think Minor gets drafted. I think Carlos Brown gets picked before Minor. I hear the Carolina Panthers absolutely love Carlos.
not a problem, I have no problem with the move. As stated, if this is the guy they really wanted, then go ahead and get him. At first I heard they had given up their fourth round pick as well as the second rounder to get him, and I didn't like it. But after hearing they only swapped fourth rounders, it seems they really didn't give up that much. Best will not have to carry the load, and he fits well into a single back, two TE set. With the acquisition of Scheffler, I think this is what Linehan had in mind. Plus, Tedford has put out some nice offensive players...Rodgers, Desean Jax, even Marshawn.
They do need to find a replacement for Backus as he is aging(34)and he isn't an elite OT. The OL is certainly not great and needs improvement, but the Lions have bigger needs.
CB and S are hurting right now. OLB is also a question mark.
Between Michigan and the Lions, I haven't watched good defense in YEARS. Hopefully, the Lions keep adding to the defense.
Still, this is a long term rebuilding process. Millen's ineptitude at player procurement means we have to be patient with Mayhew/Schwartz.
You don't build a team from the outside in. Stafford, Johnson, Smith, Pettigrew, Scheffler, Best, etc. can't do their jobs properly without a good offensive line.
I like the Suh pick, but the Best pick was silly, IMO. They need linebackers and offensive linemen. Backus has been a revolving door at LT for a long time, and they haven't had a solid RG in a long time, either. I also thought the Cherilus pick was retarded a couple years ago; there were better linemen on the board when they had a chance to pick.
Cherilus left me scratching my head, he was a big-time reach at #17 (I think that was the pick) and IIRC he wasn't even the best lineman on the BC squad.
I'm with you on Best as well. Kevin Smith is not the answer at RB, but I think you could have waited 'til the later rounds to get an RB. Seems to me there were still some good OT and LB guys at #30. Oh well.
It was definitely a need pick. The Lions have Maurice Morris,Aaron Brown, and Kevin Smith coming off an ACL tear. Not good at all.
The Lions ol is not as bad as people want to think. The 43 sacks were a marked improvement from the previous year. It still isn't good, but a couple of things factor into that. Stafford holding onto the ball as a rookie tends to do, mediocre WR's not getting open and the Lions having to pass alot because they are always behind.
The OL definitely needs help, but because the Lions have so many holes thanks to Millen--taking a RB is actually a sound decision. They added Rob Sims which strengthens the interior line and they have a chance to add OL either through the rest of this draft or in FA.
Besides you shouldn't take a lessser talent over a superior one wshen both fill needs. No OL was available who held a grade equal to Best's.The Lions did the correct thing which is why they have drawn praise for the Bestg selection.
OL can be had almost anywhere. People think that taking OL h9igh is imperative, but I disagree. The Lions have been taking higher for 20n years and what has that gotton them? Looking for more OL.
You can get offensive linemen OR running backs later in the draft.
But you see over and over again that the good teams have a good defense and a solid offensive line. Mediocre running backs can look great behind good offensive lines.
Being a Bears fan, I can confidently say that the Lions have a much brighter future than the Bears. They are developing a nice young core of players (Stafford, Johnson, Best, Pettigrew, Delmas(who I love and I'm not a Lions fan), and Suh). Once you guys improve your line situation, the NFC North might have to watch out. I'd be excited if I were a Lions fan. Getting Millen out of there was the best thing you could do.
I have zero confidence in my Bears right now, we'll see how this Martz move works out. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.
Was the best player on other teams' rosters.
I was hoping for Patrick Robinson with that pick. You need good line play and corners to win in this league. The defensive line seems to probably be fixed with the VandenBosch and Suh additions. The offensive line could use a tackle but I'm not sure there was a good one available at that point, so corner was what I was hoping for.
The similarities between this pick and the Kevin Jones pick are frightening. I don't think this will work out, and I don't like giving up all those picks in such a deep draft.
We moved up four slots, switched fourth round picks and gave them one of our four seventh rounders. We didn't really give up much at all.
Does anyone remember what the D had to give up to get Kevin Jones?
30. Vikes (AP)
31. Colts (Addai, D.Brown)
32. Saints (P.Thomas, Bush)
33. Rams (S.Jackson)
34. Lions (nobody)
Unless they were worried about another team leapfrogging them to get J.Best by trading up, the teams sitting in front of the Lions' 2nd rd pick are set at RB. Maybe STL getting younger and moving S.Jackson out and drafting Best was a possible scenario, but at this point if I'm STL, I don't want my running and passing game to be based on rookies so I keep SJ. Am I missing something here?
Schwartz and Mayhew said in an ESPN interview that they were worried that given a night to sleep on it, another GM would decide to trade with STL and take Best there. That was their reasoning for trading up.
There was also speculation that Minny might take Best to replace Chester Taylor as the change-of-pace/non-fumbling back in the offense.
I hope the lions trade up again and pick up someone on OL
We have a lot of weapons on offense now and our defense has young talent to work with finally but for the last couple years I think we have made a really bad decision by not drafting a offensive lineman. We can have all the weapons on offense but Best won't have any running room and Stafford won't have time to throw because we have neglected the offensive line. I hope we get a offensive lineman, mainly a tackle tonight.
Kevin Seifert had on his blog yesterday an amazing fact: The Lions currently have 2 (!) players on their roster from every draft from 2000-2006. They are Backus and Raiola, from 2001. No one that they drafted from 2000 and 2002-6 are gone. Sims was the last one from '06, and he was just traded. Thanks a lot, Millen.
Daniel Bullocks doesn't count?
The Lions needed a good running back, Best is a good running back, the price to pay for moving up was one of their many seventh rounders and switching fourth rounders which really isn't that much. I say good move. They still have time to find talent at CB, OLB or (hopefully) Guard or a project Tackle who can sit behind Backus.
They still can't get everything they need, so if they need to wait until next draft while their secondary still sucks then do what you have to do. Really, they still just need talent. I'd prefer they get some O-line help in the Third of Fourth so that Stafford is less likely to be ground into paste this year. Other than that, I'm willing to trust the staff.