from the Roy williams trade to dallas?
from the Roy williams trade to dallas?
OP please deliver.
Hell to the yes!
Yes please. Looks like he wouldn't mind being a Lion at all. But who wouldn't wanna play next to the best in the game?
Watkins is a good player, and he would fit nicely with Calvin. Having said that, this team has so many holes (esp. on defense) and doesn't have a 5th round pick, so I think that the only truly stupid move is to trade up. This seems like an especially bad idea given how deep the draft is. Detroit might have a legitimate chance to trade a back a few times to pick up picks if teams want to trade up to get Lewan, Evans or one of the DBs. Personally, I would love to see them draft Lewan if they stay at 10, and then slot Rieff at RT or LG.
Just my two cents.
No thanks. O-line was our strongest position on offense this year. I still have nightmares of Durham dropping open catches for first downs and that fumble play against the Bucs. Gimme another beast at wr please!
I agree with you as long as the price is fair (aka in line with what it has taken other teams to move up in the first round). That 2nd WR spot was really the only weakness on the offense this past year.
Even the defense wasn't as bad as many seem to think. D-Line doesn't need any more guys, just coaching (and the return of Jason Jones shouldn't be overlooked). The secondary was bad outside of Glover Quin, but from what I hear this is a deep draft for secondary so maybe they can get a guy or two in the middle rounds. You also have to hope that Chris Houston will more closely resemble his '11 and '12 version than last year and that the offseason helps Slay with the educational aspects of the NFL - his talent and ability were never in question.
I'd be comfortable with a swap of the firsts with whoever the Lions trade with, a 3rd, and a 7th. Don't give up the 2nd if you can help it....
Yea our corners are terrible. A great pass rush can make up for that fortunately, but only to a point. I hope those corners we drafted over the last few years start to pan out.
I would love my Bucs to trade the 7th pick for your 10th, plus your 3rd and 7th round picks.
Edit: Heck, we'll even throw in Revis for a 4th round pick. That helps you with CB.
I can't wait for this blog to start cursing Martin Mayhew because he didn't draft a "local boy" like Lewan.
Holes or not, we need to come out of this draft with an elite WR. We have almost no wide receiver depth, just released our no. 2 WR, and our TE is a free agent. Also, Megatron is going to be 29 years old next year. We have to get an elite wide out in order to take pressure off of Megatron, keeping him effective the majority of his long term deal, and to spread out the defense so we can continue to have success in the run game.
FYI, the last time we tried to trade up in a draft, Mayhew was in love with a CB by the name of Patrick Peterson. I bet he's kicking himself for not adding another draft pick.
Am I the only one that thinks this is ridiculous? Did the Millen era not teach them anything? This team has so many damn holes, and they want to trade away possible picks/players/whatever to get another WR when they already have the best WR in the NFL? Do they need another solid number 2 option? Yes. But WR is a very deep position in the NFL and a solid No. 2 guy will be available without trading, or even in a later round. I can barely remember the last time the Lions had an actual defensive back.
No. You're one of... How many people are there in Michigan?
Only this fanbase (and Cleveland's) would buy into the notion that a guy who will touch the football 4-6x a game is going to "turn things around".
The sad thing is when Calvin was out there literally was nothing out there - Titus was supposed to be that #2, but he was a head case... Broyles is a walking MASH unit...and Burleson at this point of his career is probably a #3. The offense is actually ok now if Stafford was on his game and not a turnover machine as he was the last 8 games. The OL is probably the best since Lomas Brown / Glover/ Utley/ Andolsek era as we had young guys perform for once. But that QB killed em. What is telling to me is you throw ANY WR on Tom Brady or Drew Brees or Rodgers teams and they look like All Pros. You take away Calvin from Stafford and he looks like the 25th best QB in the league. Those guys make other players better, Calvin makes Stafford.
Rodgers has had a ton of reciever help with Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Finnley and even jennings for most of his career. those are all above average NFL recievers.
Brees has had a solid OLine, darren sproles, Jimmy Freakin Graham, Marques Colston
Brady had a lot of injuries around him but still had the same solid Oline which paved the way for 2 700+yard backs in ridely and blount, and he still had eddleman, amedola, GRONK (for a few games) which when they were healthy brady was elite. when they were gone brady had a couple games with a sub 50% completion percentage and it was brady's worst season in completion percentage since 2003.
Stafford has never had those kinds of weapons or multiplicity on offense and is like 25 years old still. All those QBs are the elite qbs in the league, are 30 or older, having been playing for 10+ seasons, and have much better talent around them. as you stated yourself outside of CJ the lions have 0 reciever talent
Millenball: It never gets old!
What exactly are these massive holes that need filling? Don't need an RB. Don't need a QB. Don't really need a first-round lineman this year; the line was awfully good last year. Definitely don't need a DL. CB isn't really a massive pressing need; you can work with Slay, Mathis (if they re-sign him), Houston, and the plethora of low-round picks they have like Bentley and Green, etc. It's a workable group.
A linebacker or safety would be useful. Depending on what happens in free agency, of course. But there's Glover Quin on the roster and two pretty good LBs as well in Tulloch and Levy. At this point we're talking about a hole that's really no bigger than the one at #2 receiver.
I would agree, if the Lions were rebuilding, a WR is not the way to do it. But this isn't Matt Millen's Lions with talent at none of the positions. This is a pretty good Lions team. There may be some needs as big as WR, LB and S being near the top of the list, but WR is just as viable a need as any of them. Let's see what they do in free agency, too; any of these spots, WR included, could be filled via that route.
and 4-12 in the last 2 years then I don't know what to tell you.
Right, because "I don't see any holes" was completely exactly what I said. The team is perfect, was really the gist of my post.
Oh wait, no. What I said was that WR is as big a hole as any of the others, and that the team is not so devoid of talent that drafting a WR is such an inconceivable idea.
Stay at 10 and draft Evans. If he's gone by then, draft Okie State's CB or trade down for additional first round pick to use on a CB, S, WR, or RT. Too many holes to fill to trade away at least next year's first round pick
I'm confused by the need for a RT that has been echoed by a few posters. Jason Fox and LaAdrian Waddle both performed really well at the position last year in their first real NFL action. I would imagine they will only improve into the future. Reiff is solid at LT, Sims and Warford above average at OG. Definitely need a center to groom with Raiola in his twilight, but unless you are a Pouncey, centers are mid-round guys.
Agreed. Need a 3rd/4th rounder to develop behind Dominic. Sims you will need to replace in maybe 2-3 years but he has been nothing but solid since he got here. The other 3 positions are young esp if Waddle turns out. We still have Fox I guess too but can't count on him - I think I've played in as many Lions game as he has in 4 years. This is the best condition the Lions OL has been in, in a long time esp with Dom adding that weight.
Lions are trying to make a Super Bowl, not restock for a dynasty. They need their early round picks on the field now to help them get there.
Hopefully they trade future picks, not this years. This class is deep
Chicago, Green Bay, the Twin Cities
Sammy Watkins was epsilon-close to coming to the great state of Michigan 3 years ago; maybe he'll finally make it.
I grew up in Baltimore, so I'm obviously a Ravens fan. I think Sammy is by far and away the most talented receiver in the draft, but I dont think hes worth mortgaging a future over. Ive watched Stafford from his time at UGA and I dont think the Lions will take the next step until they replace him.
This is a preposterous statement with no basis.
The guy threw for over 5000 yards and over 40 TDs. He was asked to throw the ball over 700 times in a season. I'm confident Caldwell, who Peyton Manning has spoken highly of as a QB coach, can correct some flaws in his game. The guy is not a bad QB by any stretch of the imagination.
I dont watch the Lions as closely as most of you all, but like I've said Ive watched Matt since he was playing in Athens. He has a cannon, but he tends to rely on his arm too much. He was surrounded by talent last year and failed to make the playoffs. He has the most talented receiver since a young Randy Moss in Megatron. He had a healthy Reggie Bush, a very solid Joique Bell, Fauria (sp) stepped up as well. I dont think he was as successful as he shouldve been given his paycheck, talent, and the tools at his disposal.
Fuaria was a red zone threat only and Stafford took advantage of it every chance he got. He didn't have a reliable short yardage guy. Pettigrew dropped less balls but than normal but that doesn't say much. No relaible number option at receiver. Reggie and Joique aren't really every down NFL backs that can eat away yards and take the pressure off your QB.
To say the Lions won't take the next step with him is wrong. He took them to playoffs already. Wo are you going to get that's better to replace him? No free agency retreads please. You're not going to find another Tom Brady dicking around in the 6th round either.
He has flaws. He underperformed but he's definitely fixable. He's not Joey Harrington.
He throws a lot of empty yards when the Lions trail. I looked 12 months ago at his previous year and he had something like 30% of his yards when the Lions trailed by 17+ and teams were in prevent. He has the best WR in the game. He had very good 1-2 punch at RB last year. He had a nice TE. He had the best OL the Lions have had in 15+ years. And he imploded the last half of the year. He thinks he is Favre but Favre was a winner. Matt is a statistics man. Youth is not an excuse, this was his 5th year. His accuracy lacks. His decision making lacks. He has a strong arm.
Don't forget Lombardi and Jim Bob Cooter. The Lions have three quality QB coaches working on their QB. He's not Christian Ponder. There's going to be improvement, and they're starting from a pretty high point to begin with.
I don't even think the Browns would make that move.
These have become the 2 running jokes in the NFL havent they? Amazing they were league powers in the 50s right before the Super Bowl era. Now people snicker when both are mentioned.
Absolutely hilarious. Sad, but hilarious. And this is coming from a lifelong Michigan/Detroit sports fan.
Evans isn't much worse if he's even worse at all.
If they were one player away this might make sense but there too many holes to fill and they need all the picks they can get. I love Watkins but only if he drops in their lap at 10.
It is the Detroit Lions. Nothing will ever change no matter how many moving of checker pieces their front office does. It is still the Lions. Always will be.
The Lions are not 1...2...5 players away. Watching the Seahawks v 49ers, it looked like a different sport.
The Lions are in the NFL "Fan zone" that the league is built around - you have 3-4 awful teams, and 3-4 top end teams and everyone else gets put in the "Fan Zone"; that perpetual 6-10 to 10-6 area where you really are a major pretender but the "close losses" (which are again designed for in a parity induced league) and "2 players away" ethos has people drinking Kool Aid. They are currently the San Diego Chargers East or Dallas Cowboys North. Same type of nothingburgers.
Unless Matt Stafford turns into Rodgers they are still light years away and even if that happens that defense is average. They are elite at nothing and Sammy Watkins won't change that.
Source: Lions fan for well over 3 decades now.
I agree. Although the 'fan zone' idea maybe a bit much the rest of the analysis is spot on. We are still the lions. As much as people do not care to hear the excuse, it always finds a way to hold true. Detroit's (coupled with Cleveland) sole purpose is to be the cubs of the nfl.
And that sourcing was dead on as well.
I am open to debate to the fan zone. The NFL has changed from the era of the 49ers and Cowboys. You have to rebuild your team every 3-5 years now with free agency and salary cap.
The NFL is now built on parity. A few horrid teams and a few elite teams (each fleeting) and a lot of teams in the middle who are deemed to be "close" by design. If you get a franchise QB you can evade the fan zone for a long time (see Patriots, Saints, Packers, Steelers) but all in all that is how it is now designed... to keep every fan thinking they have a chance as opposed to in 1989 when you are like - well the 49ers won, hope we can at least make the playoffs and lose. :)
Curious what you disagree with.
Like thousands of multi-decade Lions fans, you share my EXACT feelings. We could be a 10 win team next year, or a 10 loss team next year. But we're stuck in perpetual parity purgatory, unless we can strike gold with a few lower round draft picks and/or lower tier free agents that suddenly blossom. Glimmers of hope were the OL outperforming expectations last year, including contributions from undrafted FA's (Waddle). But until Stafford matures (mechanics and such) AND the DL dominates on a consistent basis, we're nothing more than a mediocre team in a league filled with mediocre teams.
That said, I wish we would've gone through our horrible, horrible stage (0-16) in the past 1-2 years to reap the benefits of the newish rookie salary structure.
Sammy Watkins? That selection might marginally tingle my football loins. Just like Andre Ware marginally tickled my football loins in the early '90s. Please, someone, tickle my football loins.
Last year was unprecedented goodness in the NFL draft and UDFA - we got a starting OL player in UDFA, we got a starter in the 3rd round, we got a nice 1st round player, we got a punter. Etc. For this franchise it is amazing - usually it takes us 5 drafts to get 3 starters lol. We need a few of these back to back and our franchise QB to get his head out of his butt and valute the football. But by then Calvin will be "old" etc. So we're right back to square one.
The Lions currently are suffering from years upon years of getting almost nothing except in the 1st round of the draft. And in Millen's era - just nothing at all.
There are the 3-4% at the very top and at the very bottom. Then everyone else stuck in between. Hard work and circumstance can move you up but it's rare.
These were probably senior's dying words.
Because as good as Mike Evans may be...he's not the answer. We don't need Dez Bryant.
Give me Watkins and his playmaking ability in a heartbeat.
Exactly. Mike Evans is a headcase. Sammy Watkins seems like a no-nonsense work hard kind of guy.
Didn't Sammy Watkins have an issue last year that kept him off the field for a gane or two?
Looking it up, he got arrested with pot. Didn't hear about that. I remember watching a few TAMU games, particularly their bowl game, with him costing his team in dumb, selfish, unnccessary penalties. No thank you.
Lions have too many holes to fill and need their full host of picks this draft. Nope. Love Watkins but it's not the right time. Lions would have to give up #10, #45, and probably next year's 1st/2nd to move up that high.
I'm all for Watkins, but the price will be too steep! How many number 2 WRs are worth mortgaging the future and hardly the 3rd pick if you were lucky enough to be sitting on it. What you need is a little slot guy that can consistently get open and make defenses pay for double teaming Megatron. That type of guy you can find much later in the draft.
If you look at what the Lions are proposing to do, what other team is a model for this - probably only Atlanata. If you look at the truly elite passing offenses of the last few years (Denver, New England, New Orleans, Greeen Bay) they all get by with 0 to 1 stars at WR. Of course, they have better QBs at the helm, but the point is that Atlanta is the exception not the norm, and they are not the team that the Lions should try to emulate given the needs at other positions
Detroit Lions, let me introduce you to Jeremy Gallon in round 3.
Would totally be onboard with that - although I think they could wait until the 4th (maybe 5th but they don't have a pick)
I love Jeremy but he is not a 3rd rounder. He might be a UDFA or a 6th/5th. And because I love him I don't wish him to be stuck with the Lions lol.
Agree. I might have maize and blue goggles by declaring Gallon a 3rd rounder, but I think he'll get drafted in the lower half. I think.
I've seen him generally 5th thru 7th (CBS WR Rankings for example show him not being drafted). He looks like a perfect guy for the Patriots, all he does is make plays and his hands are velcro - Wes Welker 2.0.
There's no way that Jeremy Gallon goes undrafted unless something big happens between now and the draft (an arrest, failed drug test, etc.), and even then, it would depend. I'm guessing 5th or 6th round.
You might have heard of him?
Alshon Jeffrey came into his own and that loosened things up for Marshall. That was good. But...the crappy defense kept the Bears out of the playoffs. Defense wins championships.
What an awesome duo!
Yes he would solidify the offense. And to the argument that they have too many holes is a joke because WR is a big one. No team is going to be perfect. Not every team has every hole filled and has tremendous depth. If you can strengthen a position potentially drafting Watkins does I would do it.
Hopefully they learned from the Millen era. The Lions have holes in their roster, wide receiver isn't at the top of the list.
Rookie receivers rarely make a big impact unless they're the Moss/Megatron level. So as a Bears fan, by all means trade several picks for a guy who will probably not even help that much this year!
It's one of if not the easiest position (alongside RB) where a rookie can step in and make an immediate impact. Cordarelle Patterson, AJ Green, Julius Jones, Dez Bryant, Mike Williams (ntmw), Torrey Smith all come to mind without Google assistance.
That is incredibly not true. The list of rookie WR to top 1000 yards is not a long one. They have to learn massive playbooks, how to run precise routes, and how to deal with being jammed constantly. Even the best guys generally take a year or two to truly come into their own.
This is incredibly uninformed on your side.
Top 10 WRs from the past 3 drafts IN THEIR ROOKIE SEASON:
Blackmon, Green, and Jones were studs right off the bat. Of those three, only Jones was placed in an ideal situation with an established QB (Ryan) and good complimentary WR (Roddy White). Blackmon caught passes from Blaine Gabbert and Chad Henne who rarely even had time to throw the ball due to a terrible OL, but still hauled in over 800 yards. Green played with a fellow rookie at QB and surpassed 1000 yards. You can argue Austin's worth, but he did a lot of things and was a dynamic playmaker when given the chance.
How do you think a top-10 (or hell, top 3) pedigree WR will do when placed next to Calvin Johnson and having Stafford as his QB? Do you really believe his sucess won't be a lock?
Because they probably know Megateon wont be here more than another few years.
Why do you say that? I'm hoping he's a there for his career, that Megateon
Not saying Watkins wouldn't be a great addition, and it makes a nightmare for your opposing secondary, but don't the Lions have much bigger concerns and positions of need to fill right now?
Wr is the biggest hole to fill on offense, corner and safty on defense.
Trade up to 2, get warlike, and in free agency go get a stud cb and solid saftey.
Did antbody here see the Lions offense without Megatron last season ?
I was against the stafford extension, but were stuck...
So go get somebody to take off the doubke and triple teams mega gets...
Watkins is gonna be a stud.
I'm fine with gallon or abberderris later in the draft also.
Stay away from Brandon Roby..bust bust bust
Everyone keeps telling me that Bradley Roby is a first round pick, yet every time I see him he's getting roasted by someone. Totally owned by Funchess and Butt in our game, Abredaris drank his milkshake, and he was no where to be found against MSU.
The Lions are actually in a very comfortable position for their needs at 10. There's a good chance Gilbert should still be there with backup plans of Evans, Mack, Barr, or even Dennard (trade down), who I think is going to be NFL-ready based on all the press coverage at MSU. The mid-second round should still see some quality WRs available, Brandin Cooks, Allen Robinson, Odell Beckham.
Trading up to get Watkins means you'll likely lose, or at minimum drop substantitally in the Second Round. Watching last season it seems Watkins wouldn't get you back to where the fans hope.
I don't want them drafting a WR in the first round let alone trading up for one. Just a terrible, terrible idea.
But "Fuck Dakich"! Amiright?
Trade suh to the raiders for the 5th overall pick
Trade Suh to the Raiders sure, but you have to get him to redo his deal before a team will give anything for him.
Given the way he's been acting I don't see that happening.
Way to be aggressive for a change
Deep in the heart of Rams' territory--picking at #2 and #13--there's alot of talk that a couple of top Rams' suits attended a private workout with Sammy and a teamate (CB?) and came away extremely impressed. The Rams really need a LT or a versatile RT/Guard type player--if Long gets healthy. Considering the depth of left tackle talent on the big board, the Rams might be scheming on taking Sammy and then whichever of the three LT's is still there at #13 (Lewan, Please!)...Detroit may have to pay a steep price to pry this pick away from the Rams. Then again, if Houston goes QB, it could be Clowney. My hunch is the Rams want a tackle, don't need to use the #2 pick to get him, and they're just lying in the weeds for a team like Detroit to make a desperation trade to be in the #2 spot. Just sayin
Might as well try to get someone; they have enough holes to fill.
Personally, I'd rather they try to get a linebacker or a CB, as I think there will be some competent WRs around after cuts. But Watkins definitely has potential to be a great WR and complement to Megatron.
the Lions pick up a dependable 2nd receiver through free agency. Draft the best players that fit your need! DB, DL, C and a future 3rd or 2nd WR. Don't give up extra draft choices on a WR!!!!!
We'll see how the coach turns out? May be he will surprise us but it seem the like the top coaches did not want to come to Detroit and we are stuck with middling coaches? May be I'm wrong but will the new coach have to reach the playoffs his first year? I doubt, I think he will get 4 or 5 years right off the bat!
I would rather have them trade down in the first and focus on defense in the early rounds (unless Ebron is still available). WR is the hardest position to scout in the NFL. I think they would be better off taking Gallon and an outside guy in the later rounds. That would let them take someone like HaHa or CJ Mosely in the first and there should be talented CBs or a S left in the second. We just watched the Seahawks dismantle the best offense in years, I hope the Lions saw it too.